need help to counter op tanks

Sergykid

hi, i am having problems with those kind of people that you don't drain their hp, but they kill you in a few seconds. I am talking especially about DKs and sometimes magsorcs.
i am not beginner, don't give me general tips, yes i do CC them on cooldown, keep buffs up, and bleeds. I am a stamplar, and tried different builds, like both heavy armor to survive them and medium armor to have a chance to kill them.

i don't want to enter build details, i want to know a counterplay to these kinds of builds, where they are so tanky you barely drain their hp, but when they deal damage they kill in a few seconds. If i give some of my dps into survivability, i barely deal any damage, but this doesn't seem to be a problem to them. Not talking about their neverending resources to block and attack.

Arobain

what are your stats

Ragnarock41

there is no such thing as op tanks.
Only garbage players.

alephthiago

Stamplar having problems dealing with DKs? You have a big amount of unblockable skills, bleeds and cleanse.

Im sorry buddy, but you are a beginner indeed.

Sergykid

3 comments so far, none helped.

Arobain wrote: »

what are your stats

i ask for a counterplay. I can build whatever stats, so what stats i have can't be answered.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

there is no such thing as op tanks.
Only garbage players.

there is such thing as op tanks, the kinds that don't take damage but deal very much. Don't know where u play.

alephthiago wrote: »

Stamplar having problems dealing with DKs? You have a big amount of unblockable skills, bleeds and cleanse.

Im sorry buddy, but you are a beginner indeed.

i can cleanse 3-4 times, he applies dots constantly. And not the dots are what kills me, it's high damage skills and dawnbreaker. What are those unblockable skills? 2h axe dot, dw dot, slashes, and... what else? i keep 3 dots up with backlash, i cc and dawnbreaker, and after all this i get their half hp. Then they full again.

KingExecration

Poisons. They won't remove them so use and abuse.

Waffennacht

You're facing one of the best 1v1 classes in a set up that is suboptimal.

Your stats DO matter. You say any stats, if that was possible you wouldn't have any trouble at least mimicking their builds.

Sounds like you just wanna hear their cheating.

Either they have super secret set ups that no one else COULD Possibly know about....


OR, you're using something just not as good as your opponent

alephthiago

Sergykid wrote: »

3 comments so far, none helped.

alephthiago wrote: »

Stamplar having problems dealing with DKs? You have a big amount of unblockable skills, bleeds and cleanse.

Im sorry buddy, but you are a beginner indeed.

i can cleanse 3-4 times, he applies dots constantly. And not the dots are what kills me, it's high damage skills and dawnbreaker. What are those unblockable skills? 2h axe dot, dw dot, slashes, and... what else? i keep 3 dots up with backlash, i cc and dawnbreaker, and after all this i get their half hp. Then they full again.

Our comments cant help you because you dont know the true potential of your class, if you keep 3 dots on a dk, can cc then DB your problem must be low damage, no DK can survive 3 dots + power of the light or any morph + Dawnbreaker its all unblockable and cant be outhealed or outshielded.
Watch some gameplay from top stamplars like Rhage, Arya and such
You dont need to be even 50% as good, just being competent would take you where is needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ZNrgAfmTo

ak_pvp

Bugged Troll king, lingering pots, 7th and generally high healing with GDBs 8% and igneous would allow them to quite easily outheal, and if you are a super squishy full dot build you can get killed quite easily by it. But it is rather weak in OW with eh sustain, lockdown and not really high burst so it won't really be doing any 1vX.

Sergykid

you guys say that a DK can't survive 3 bleeds, potl, a cc + DBoS, then i can assume you didn't find good players to fight against.

and about stats, i use things like bone pirate, seventh legion, even spriggans, blood spawn, troll king, etc, i tried many sets to fight against this kind of enemies. Poisons too, enchants, major defile, etc.

and as a not, those guys that say "lul stamplar lose to dk u bad L2P" please leave the topic, clearly you didn't fight against good players and more important, you don't help.

i often ask nicely for what they use so i can learn, but they either ignore, or say that it's a secret.

kaithuzar

Honestly I'm struggling against magdk too but I'm a magblade. My honest new approach is going to be points into befoul & try to defile their health then execute or hold burst until when I get them to ~25%, then unload.

That's more or less how @KenaPKK beat the magdk he fought in the last round of his tournament last year only he defiled by using durok's bane

amir412

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

there is no such thing as op tanks.
Only garbage players.

True xD
Honestly i started playing with 2h ult back bar and DB on front bar...
2h goes really well for those tanky ***, DB is for anything that is squishy

Aedaryl

kaithuzar wrote: »

Honestly I'm struggling against magdk too but I'm a magblade. My honest new approach is going to be points into befoul & try to defile their health then execute or hold burst until when I get them to ~25%, then unload.

That's more or less how @KenaPKK beat the magdk he fought in the last round of his tournament last year only he defiled by using durok's bane

A good way to beat magdk as a magNB is extreme offensive kitting.

If they can't touch you, you will win the fight.

Place your shadow image, then cripple them (you have major expedition, they are rooted for 1s and snared), while doing your rotation, turn in a half circle until you are far but in range from your shadow image. If the dk is able to be in close range, port to your shade, use shade too before the end to replace it. Use flame reach to stun and again win some precious range.

It seems stupid, but magblade win most of their fight because they are able to not be touched while doing a lot of damage. The ennemi goes on the defensive and a nightmare circle start for them.

Don't forget to use and abuse cripple and to always be safe with a shade to port. Use flame reach as your stun or as a panic button for taking range.

Sythen88411

I get tired of fighting stupid builds like them. I mean what's the point you don't lean anything and waste pots and time and effort in them. When I get a duel request from one of them I just lol and walk away

GreenhaloX

Sergykid wrote: »

hi, i am having problems with those kind of people that you don't drain their hp, but they kill you in a few seconds. I am talking especially about DKs and sometimes magsorcs.
i am not beginner, don't give me general tips, yes i do CC them on cooldown, keep buffs up, and bleeds. I am a stamplar, and tried different builds, like both heavy armor to survive them and medium armor to have a chance to kill them.

i don't want to enter build details, i want to know a counterplay to these kinds of builds, where they are so tanky you barely drain their hp, but when they deal damage they kill in a few seconds. If i give some of my dps into survivability, i barely deal any damage, but this doesn't seem to be a problem to them. Not talking about their neverending resources to block and attack.

I typically fair better against DKs with my StamPlar. With the StamPlar, like what practically every StamDK slot is the Resolving Vigor, so do I with my StamPlar. When 1v1 with a DK, it becomes who can cc/snare the other more effectively, spam Vigor/heal, break cc/snare and get in the damages. Both StamPlar and DK have good anti-snare/immovability. DK has the Forward Momentum and StamPlar has the Extended Ritual/Ritual of Retribution. DKs, which most are sporting 2H, are practically spamming Forward Momentum. I know, I have a StamDK too. Both classes have good offensives and defenses. Most likely the DK (doesn't matter if stam of mag), they will throw out the Talons and Fossilize, both of which are unavoidable. You just have to roll out of the Talons, but with the Fossilize, you have no choice, but to wait until it breaks. As a StamPlar, you have good support with the Total Dark and Power of the Light. You also have good damage dealers with the Biting Jabs and Javelin.

Both of the classes have good healing with the Resolving Vigor. So, the fight can get drawn out. As a StamPlar, you also have good defenses with the Restoring Focus and Blazing Shield, but the DKs have Volatile Armor and Fragmented Shield. Yeah, I guess DK are also sporting the 7th Legion for extra healing. As the StamPlar, hit that Blazing Shield, strategically, as you can, because it puts out damages as well; likewise with the Retribution. I use a 2H/bow with my StamPlar, thus, it has a plethora of brutal arsenals. Like the StamDK, which is most likely a 2H, both have the Executioner/Reverse Slice. Most DKs that are swarming PvP land nowadays are 2H and S&B. Damn, they can be Rhino skins. However, with the StamPlar, I have Poison Injection, Total Dark and Power of the Light.

Combat-wise, with Forward Momentum, the DK will likely mitigate the Javelin, but only from being knocked down; the Javelin will still do some damages. Use it, because there may be time when his Momentum wears off or he hasn't it up, and the Javelin will knock him down. Use the Total Dark and Power of the Light as much as you can, because both damage back when the DK is doing damages. It becomes skills vs skills with StamPlar against DKs. Very typically, when I hit them with Total Dark and Power of the Light, they are scamping around like a chicken with its head cut off, because they don't want to inflict any damage until those wears off. Thus, you want to assault hard after throwing those two skills on them.

Ensure you have good resources; stam in the higher 30k and maj, at least, in the 15k. You want to pop out Retribution, Total Dark, Power of the Light and Blazing Shield as much as you can for the support, then assault with Javelin, Biting Jabs, Poison Injection and Executioner or Reverse Slice. Also, be prepare to break from the Talons and Fossilize. As a 2h, I also slot Brawler, which damage and gives shield. So, this can be the edge just needed.

However, yes, there are some toons running around sololy that you wonder that can't be legitimate. Like.. yesterday, it took about eight of us and about 10 minutes to take down this one tank. During the timeframe, other S&B enemy types jumped in (from both enemy alliances,) and we were able take out those other S&Bs while still fighting this one crazy S&B tank. So, if we were able to take out those other S&Bs; yeah, there was something definitely fishy about this certain one. He showed up in another place, sololy, and a lot of my comrades wouldn't even touch him. I jumped in because a few did went at him, and I didn't want to leave my comrades hanging. Yeah, it took a few more of us and a long fight again to take him down, and even when a few of his comrades in stealth popped up to join, we were able to take them out while still fighting this same dude. I ran into this same guy for the third time, which he showed up sololy, I didn't engage him this time. Actually we just all ignored him. Another time last week, I watched one toon (looks like a 2H/S&B) DK literally took out around 10-12 other toons all by himself. It was a long fight, but this toon literally came out barely scratched. Ok, op or cheating, you decide.

Joy_Division

Sergykid wrote: »

hi, i am having problems with those kind of people that you don't drain their hp, but they kill you in a few seconds. I am talking especially about DKs and sometimes magsorcs.
i am not beginner, don't give me general tips, yes i do CC them on cooldown, keep buffs up, and bleeds. I am a stamplar, and tried different builds, like both heavy armor to survive them and medium armor to have a chance to kill them.

i don't want to enter build details, i want to know a counterplay to these kinds of builds, where they are so tanky you barely drain their hp, but when they deal damage they kill in a few seconds. If i give some of my dps into survivability, i barely deal any damage, but this doesn't seem to be a problem to them. Not talking about their neverending resources to block and attack.

You're getting "git gud" replies because what you typed sounds like someone who is inexperienced with the game's mechanics and quite frankly isn't very good.

Sorcerer? An "OP tank"? Really? The class with the most predictable and telegraphed burst is killing you in a few seconds? How is that not a L2P issue.

If you're in a 1v1 Vs. a DK, you better be good because as much as DKs claim their class stinks, it's very strong in that scenario. They need to be defiled, bled, and you must maintain the pressure on them or you're going to lose.

Sergykid

i often see @ Cryodill many dk tanks and magsorcs, find them randomly in the world and so we start 1v1ing.

Magsorcs get too much absorb. if i bring them half hp, absorb stacking will get them over 15k absorb, and that means having 30k dps in pvp setup just to bring down their absorb, which they can spam and never die. Their resource on magicka go down? same with my stamina. If i reach however that big dps i`m pretty much glass cannon and will die in their stun anyway. So what counterplay this has? didn't find yet.

DKs, be it mag or stam, u all say about that gameplay but they can stay in place for me to put up 3 dots, potl, cc and ult, and even if i reach their half hp with all this, they'll just heal up back all that.

if these people can 1vX so easily, how can i even 1v1 them. If any of u wanna help me learn a bit then send me an ingame mail @sergykid, with a time u are available to meet at Bergama Wayshrine. EDIT: i'm on PC-EU.

Waffennacht

Believe it or not I've been thinking about you and your post OP.

Let's just assume for a moment you have: 2k+ Regen, 2-4k (spell damage or weapon DMG) 2.5k-3.5k impen, correct CP allocation and are of decent skill level.

So we'll just assume your opponent has a very Tanky - yet can kill build

How does he do it?

Well there's no way - even with max resistance and impen - to mitigate the kind of damage you say you're dealing without his HP moving more than you described.

This means (because we are assuming it's not your build) two options really

A. He has enough HoTs + resistance to make it appear like you're doing very little damage
Or more than likely
B. He was blocking and using Shield Wall combined with block casting.

Block mitigates 80%+ of your damage, this would explain low Burst damage.

Sure your bleed damage should go through block, but if he does have HoTs that would greatly mitigate the bleed damage.

Shield Wall would allow for an offensive opportunity to burst you down.

What sets could he be running?

Well that depends on the player. If they do very little in the beginning and then deal massive damage after what seems like they are just sitting there - it's most likely fury and they are letting their wpn DMG build.

Impreg is used on permablock builds so they can use the Sturdy trait

Some shield wall builds use ult generation sets to keep a very high up time.

DK has a mean burst in the ult, a lot of these builds lul you into a false sense of security while you use your resources and then burst you with like 2 abilities, one being leap (morph names irrelevant imo)

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Tldr: if your build is correct, it's safe to assume the only way to mitigate as much damage is through block

Mazbt

bleeds, resource poisons, trap beast (they either sit in the dot or have to roll dodge out which gives you tiny window to hit). If you are not running a stamplar bleed build it's rough since there is no hard cc that goes through block on stamplar's arsenal. Or you can just buddy up with a nightblade, or someone wearing a defile build.

Subversus

Waffennacht wrote: »

You're facing one of the best 1v1 classes in a set up that is suboptimal.

Your stats DO matter. You say any stats, if that was possible you wouldn't have any trouble at least mimicking their builds.

Sounds like you just wanna hear their cheating.

Either they have super secret set ups that no one else COULD Possibly know about....


OR, you're using something just not as good as your opponent

I'm sorry did you just call stamDK one of the best 1v1 classes?

Waffennacht

Subversus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You're facing one of the best 1v1 classes in a set up that is suboptimal.

Your stats DO matter. You say any stats, if that was possible you wouldn't have any trouble at least mimicking their builds.

Sounds like you just wanna hear their cheating.

Either they have super secret set ups that no one else COULD Possibly know about....


OR, you're using something just not as good as your opponent

I'm sorry did you just call stamDK one of the best 1v1 classes?

Dragon knight. People act like a resource pool suddenly changes the class.

DK and NB are top 1v1 class.

And if it's a permablocker, then yes, stamina DK is one of the best 1v1 builds

Edit @Subversus how many permablocker non-DKs you know?

Emma_Overload

I don't know what to make of this thread! As annoying as DKs are now, I have even more trouble with Stamplars. I wish I knew how to beat them both.

The problem with DKs: they are well equipped to counter Mag Sorcs. You're more likely to kill yourself with a Frag or Overload than you are to kill a good DK. And they ALL do that annoying thing where they root you and start whipping you in the back.

The problem with Stamplars: they dish out so much continuous pressure that you are immediately put on the defensive. Against tough Stamplars I tend to just run out of resources spamming Ward, even on a build with decent sustain.

The problem with BOTH: tough DKs and Stamplars usually seem to be wearing Heavy armor, 7th Legion and all that blah blah. The bottom line is that your attacks barely scratch them even if you are wearing Spinners. Frags that crit for 10K against high CP Sorcs and Magblades only crit for 6K on these guys.

I've had some good luck against DKs by ditching Frags and using a Torug's Pact build to dish out higher pressure than they expect from a Sorc, then try to catch them with a Curse and a Meteor at the same time while stunning them with Rune Cage.

I don't know what to do against very good Stamplars. I barely even understand what they're doing... that Power of the Light thing always gets me.

Waffennacht

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I don't know what to make of this thread! As annoying as DKs are now, I have even more trouble with Stamplars. I wish I knew how to beat them both.

The problem with DKs: they are well equipped to counter Mag Sorcs. You're more likely to kill yourself with a Frag or Overload than you are to kill a good DK. And they ALL do that annoying thing where they root you and start whipping you in the back.

The problem with Stamplars: they dish out so much continuous pressure that you are immediately put on the defensive. Against tough Stamplars I tend to just run out of resources spamming Ward, even on a build with decent sustain.

The problem with BOTH: tough DKs and Stamplars usually seem to be wearing Heavy armor, 7th Legion and all that blah blah. The bottom line is that your attacks barely scratch them even if you are wearing Spinners. Frags that crit for 10K against high CP Sorcs and Magblades only crit for 6K on these guys.

I've had some good luck against DKs by ditching Frags and using a Torug's Pact build to dish out higher pressure than they expect from a Sorc, then try to catch them with a Curse and a Meteor at the same time while stunning them with Rune Cage.

I don't know what to do against very good Stamplars. I barely even understand what they're doing... that Power of the Light thing always gets me.

I like this post a lot.

It's pretty accurate from my experience as a sorc. I run into a DK (usually) my 14k frag hits for peanuts (I think shield wall is the usual culprit)

Heavy + Impreg (or one of the decent defensive sets) can make some tanky mofos. Also doesn't DK have an ult that pretty much says "you're immortal for a bit"

I've also used like every possible set combination on just about every class. There is no super secret set up. It's class abilities, usually ultimates, that make the difference.

I lost my train of thought...

Ragnarock41

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I don't know what to make of this thread! As annoying as DKs are now, I have even more trouble with Stamplars. I wish I knew how to beat them both.

The problem with DKs: they are well equipped to counter Mag Sorcs. You're more likely to kill yourself with a Frag or Overload than you are to kill a good DK. And they ALL do that annoying thing where they root you and start whipping you in the back.

The problem with Stamplars: they dish out so much continuous pressure that you are immediately put on the defensive. Against tough Stamplars I tend to just run out of resources spamming Ward, even on a build with decent sustain.

The problem with BOTH: tough DKs and Stamplars usually seem to be wearing Heavy armor, 7th Legion and all that blah blah. The bottom line is that your attacks barely scratch them even if you are wearing Spinners. Frags that crit for 10K against high CP Sorcs and Magblades only crit for 6K on these guys.

I've had some good luck against DKs by ditching Frags and using a Torug's Pact build to dish out higher pressure than they expect from a Sorc, then try to catch them with a Curse and a Meteor at the same time while stunning them with Rune Cage.

I don't know what to do against very good Stamplars. I barely even understand what they're doing... that Power of the Light thing always gets me.

quite the opposite, magsorcs are well equipped to kill stamDks, and the odds favor magsorc heavily in open world.

Metemsycosis

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I don't know what to make of this thread! As annoying as DKs are now, I have even more trouble with Stamplars. I wish I knew how to beat them both.

The problem with DKs: they are well equipped to counter Mag Sorcs. You're more likely to kill yourself with a Frag or Overload than you are to kill a good DK. And they ALL do that annoying thing where they root you and start whipping you in the back.

The problem with Stamplars: they dish out so much continuous pressure that you are immediately put on the defensive. Against tough Stamplars I tend to just run out of resources spamming Ward, even on a build with decent sustain.

The problem with BOTH: tough DKs and Stamplars usually seem to be wearing Heavy armor, 7th Legion and all that blah blah. The bottom line is that your attacks barely scratch them even if you are wearing Spinners. Frags that crit for 10K against high CP Sorcs and Magblades only crit for 6K on these guys.

I've had some good luck against DKs by ditching Frags and using a Torug's Pact build to dish out higher pressure than they expect from a Sorc, then try to catch them with a Curse and a Meteor at the same time while stunning them with Rune Cage.

I don't know what to do against very good Stamplars. I barely even understand what they're doing... that Power of the Light thing always gets me.

quite the opposite, magsorcs are well equipped to kill stamDks, and the odds favor magsorc heavily in open world.

I agree but the ability to purify curse (and potentially reflect those "14k" frags) is a big deal. Stamplar still needs to generate full burst while maintaining high survivability against a magsorc.

Btw. Ppl on here keep talking about how predictable that the magsorc burst is. Yeah ok. Their power is with being unpredictable, period.

So on topic I think the fact defiles and bleeds are actually effective throws a learning curve. To beat a tank, you really need every kind of damage available (dots, a spammable, CC's, debuffs, unavoidables, burst). You also need to recognize burst opportunities. Don't believe they're fully buffed or on guard 100% of the time.

To the op. Potl when used correctly is a giant buff to your execute phase. That's why it's important to ensure bleeds, dots, etc, so you can time potl to be meaningful (ie, to go off after jabs, the axe bleed ticks, the injection ticks, the dawnbreaker ticks).

Also, sometimes fight fire with fire. As a stamplar you purify dots only when you can't take afford to take them. Otherwise you resist or out heal them right?

GreenhaloX

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I don't know what to make of this thread! As annoying as DKs are now, I have even more trouble with Stamplars. I wish I knew how to beat them both.

The problem with DKs: they are well equipped to counter Mag Sorcs. You're more likely to kill yourself with a Frag or Overload than you are to kill a good DK. And they ALL do that annoying thing where they root you and start whipping you in the back.

The problem with Stamplars: they dish out so much continuous pressure that you are immediately put on the defensive. Against tough Stamplars I tend to just run out of resources spamming Ward, even on a build with decent sustain.

The problem with BOTH: tough DKs and Stamplars usually seem to be wearing Heavy armor, 7th Legion and all that blah blah. The bottom line is that your attacks barely scratch them even if you are wearing Spinners. Frags that crit for 10K against high CP Sorcs and Magblades only crit for 6K on these guys.

I've had some good luck against DKs by ditching Frags and using a Torug's Pact build to dish out higher pressure than they expect from a Sorc, then try to catch them with a Curse and a Meteor at the same time while stunning them with Rune Cage.

I don't know what to do against very good Stamplars. I barely even understand what they're doing... that Power of the Light thing always gets me.

quite the opposite, magsorcs are well equipped to kill stamDks, and the odds favor magsorc heavily in open world.

Yeah, StamPlar or MagPlar are rough. I love playing those, but hate going up against it. I have a hard time with my MagBlade, but good fight with my DK or StamPlar against other DK and Templars. Against a sorc, even with my MagBlade, I have been able to best in more fights than being bested. I would have to slot on my shield, though. Oh, yeah I have lost a few to a sorc. Usually, it's to those wearing the Engine Guardian. I ran into a few sorc soloists, and they all are sporting that Engine. I have a hell of a time with those, when their resources, particularly health, keep popping back; or, when you attack and your damaging the engine thingy, instead of the actual sorc. That Empowered Ward is awesome, but if you, like most sorcs, are running 5 lights, you're just having a rough time against a DK or StamPlar with heavy. I noticed that some sorcs are running heavy as well. You can tell, when your hits are not doing as much damages as you normally would see, and this is when the sorc's ward is not up. Yeah, they are running heavy. However, in a group fight, the sorc is brutal as support. That Haunting Curse, Frag and Mage Wrath or Endless Fury does get the better of you, when you're not directly engaged with the sorc.

Waffennacht

BTW it's Bloodspawn + Shield Wall + Heroic Slash + (offensive set 7th, fury, Ravager) then Leap

Azurya

Sergykid wrote: »

hi, i am having problems with those kind of people that you don't drain their hp, but they kill you in a few seconds. I am talking especially about DKs and sometimes magsorcs.
i am not beginner, don't give me general tips, yes i do CC them on cooldown, keep buffs up, and bleeds. I am a stamplar, and tried different builds, like both heavy armor to survive them and medium armor to have a chance to kill them.

i don't want to enter build details, i want to know a counterplay to these kinds of builds, where they are so tanky you barely drain their hp, but when they deal damage they kill in a few seconds. If i give some of my dps into survivability, i barely deal any damage, but this doesn't seem to be a problem to them. Not talking about their neverending resources to block and attack.

don´t mind, after the update they are gone, forever gone!

dsalter

Sergykid wrote: »

hi, i am having problems with those kind of people that you don't drain their hp, but they kill you in a few seconds. I am talking especially about DKs and sometimes magsorcs.
i am not beginner, don't give me general tips, yes i do CC them on cooldown, keep buffs up, and bleeds. I am a stamplar, and tried different builds, like both heavy armor to survive them and medium armor to have a chance to kill them.

i don't want to enter build details, i want to know a counterplay to these kinds of builds, where they are so tanky you barely drain their hp, but when they deal damage they kill in a few seconds. If i give some of my dps into survivability, i barely deal any damage, but this doesn't seem to be a problem to them. Not talking about their neverending resources to block and attack.

the tactic that destroy all mega tanks in pvp is...




wait...





it's around here somewhere....




just inside these here few spoilers cause this is classified stuff

almost there

Walk away

now hide this and never show it to anyone

Waffennacht

BTW I've found that kiting is one of the best strategy for these kinds of builds

DU5T__ST0RM

I've been playing stamplar lately and I have to say it's been very easy to kill block builds with. Dual axes and blood craze on the front bar a battleaxe with double dmg poisons back bar. They have no cleanse. Keep up dots and potl. They will eventually go down. Don't forget to buff while fighting though that's how these tanks kill ppl. You get to concerned with your burst and forget to keep up your buffs then they hit you with a leap and you struggle to recover.