Light attack weaving with lightning staff Broken

supaskrub

Why is this so buggy, Its gone on for months now and from google i can find just a couple of references from ZOS that its being looked at.

The main problems are:

1. It feels clunky at best
2. many light attacks just don't fire
3. some light attacks miraculously become heavy attacks

Now i Know its not just me because I've spoken to others about it and many of them come across the same issues (not all i might add), I've spent hour up on hour on test dummies practising light attack weaving, with an inferno its a sweet as a nut, unless I'm on a Magblade and weaving light attacks with Swallow Soul (this is another issue that needs addressing). I like to consider that my timing on weaves is near perfect and it should be with the amount of time i practice. So why do I have to slow down my shock staff light attack weaves when compared to my Inferno staff weaves?.. its a totally different tempo between them both and it just feels awkward with a shock staff.

@ZOS_Wrobel, @ZOS_GinaBruno

EDIT: Meant to add that this is on console (Xbox EU)

Septimus_Magna

This has been an issues for a long time now. The lighting/resto heavy attacks sometimes dont work as intended either. If I release LMB the channel doesnt always stop. This can be very annoying when you want to cast a shield for boss mechanics etc.

Vermintide

Now try weaving swallow soul. Ugh.

IRDeja

How weird, I find it much harder to do with an Inferno than a Lightning staff, but there is definitely some difference between the two.

Maybe I just got used to the Lightning because I've played a healer forever (lightning back bar) and learnt to work with it without realising something is wrong. Then I roll a Sorc and Inferno staff weaving feels like absolute cack.

supaskrub

Vermintide wrote: »

Now try weaving swallow soul. Ugh.

I mention that in the opening post.. horrible.. never tried weaving it with a shock staff though but i dare say its terrible..

BlanketFort

This has been terrorising my healer for months now.
The lighting light attacks magically turn into heavy attacks that I can’t cancel. I just stand there like an idiot, stuck in a seemingly long heavy attack animation, my group’s health gets low and I can’t do anything about it and my teammates are like “wat u doin 0.o we dying”.

Then when I finally break out of it, more often than not none of my skills will work for around 2-5 seconds, which can feel like an eternity in a healing-heavy scenario. I can see it draining my magicka as I frantically spam springs, or BoL someone from
the brink of death... but there they are, still dying :-( makes me want to throw my controller out the window.

ZOS please fix, I can’t stand my group’s evil eye anymore every time this happens and wipes half the Team.

DigitalEulogy

Vermintide wrote: »

Now try weaving swallow soul. Ugh.

I did not realize this was an issue. I literally thought I was just doing it wrong! Ha thanks for helping me realize I am not just a scrub.

Niobium

Oh my gosh I thought this was just an issue with me!

As a healer running lightning backbar, I'm forever getting stuck in heavy attacks that I'm not actually doing, nor ever intended to do - both with resto and lightning staves. Can become quite problematic at times.

kylewwefan

It’s wonky af. If you pull/release the trigger real fast it works sometimes. If your too slow to release the trigger you get a long channeled heavy attack even well after you e released the trigger.

IRDeja

kylewwefan wrote: »

It’s wonky af. If you pull/release the trigger real fast it works sometimes. If your too slow to release the trigger you get a long channeled heavy attack even well after you e released the trigger.

This I definitely notice - so many times I've been locked into a Shock or Resto heavy attack that I can't even block cancel or bar swap out of.

Apache_Kid

There have been multiple threads where I and others have brought the long-standing lightning staff issues to the attention of ZoS. It's impossible for them to not know about it. I've been getting stuck in lightning staff heavy attacks that I can't break since I've started playing the game.

I am now CP 850.

How does this happen?

Zer0oo

No ETA on the fix or even a word if they know about these bug.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/354919/bug-report-lightning-heavy-attacks-daedric-tomb
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381197/long-time-lightning-staff-bugs
probably many more

Also tagging a dev is kinda pointless your best bet would be to tag GinaBruno and just keep repeating that they should fix it till they finally do. Worked on the willow's path and feeding pit but took i think almost 2 years to fix them and they should have been easy fixes.

Getern

DigitalEulogy wrote: »

Vermintide wrote: »

Now try weaving swallow soul. Ugh.

I did not realize this was an issue. I literally thought I was just doing it wrong! Ha thanks for helping me realize I am not just a scrub.

Thye screwed up animation of Swallow Soul in DB patch (almost 2 years ago), It became feature by now.

Hurtfan

I thought it was just me too. When I use overload and cast a bunch of light attacks in a row, sometimes it will do a heavy attack and get stuck. On the PS4 I have to hit L2 and R2 at the same time to get it unstuck. Which sucks when I'm using overload light attacks for ranged combat, then it does a heavy attack out of nowhere and drains my ult but it isn't hitting anyone since the enemies are ranged.

Edit: also I agree with the OP on some light attacks just aren't firing, and at the moment I use a lightning staff the majority of the time

Beardimus

XboxEU Agree with OP, lighting staff attacks are bugged, worse more recently too

And @Hurtfan overload is bugged as you say and has been from launch sadly. Twas the bane of getting Flawless back when OL was still cool for vMA

KanedaSyndrome

The reason weaving (animation cancelling) is so clunky is because it's a bug that was never intended to be in the game. When ZoS gave up on fixing this issue, it became a "feature". But get this right, the game was never designed to allow weaving like this.

Hurtfan

Beardimus wrote: »

XboxEU Agree with OP, lighting staff attacks are bugged, worse more recently too

And @Hurtfan overload is bugged as you say and has been from launch sadly. Twas the bane of getting Flawless back when OL was still cool for vMA

@Beardimus thanks for the info, I didn't know overload itself was bugged. It acts just like the lightning staff the op described so I just assumed it was related to that.

Time to swap out that ult for eye of the storm I suppose...which is going to be hard to do when light attacks from overload are hitting hard. If the light attacks from overload weren't buggy, man that would be awesome and devastating...

Alaztor91

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

The reason weaving (animation cancelling) is so clunky is because it's a bug that was never intended to be in the game. When ZoS gave up on fixing this issue, it became a "feature". But get this right, the game was never designed to allow weaving like this.

I always wondered if ZOS didn't tried harder to fix it because it was too hard/time consuming or because as some people suggest players ended up liking it because it made combat more fast paced and ZOS used that as an excuse. While I find LA/skill weaving fine, imo other stuff like block/dodge/barswap cancelling really feels out of place and makes your character look silly.

I mean if ZOS felt ok with it because it makes combat more fast paced, then what about the sustain changes from Morrowind? afaik most players didn't enjoyed them and they kinda make combat slower. Seems like a contradiction to me.

firedrgn

Ya and u end up masshi mg buttons b3cause abilitys will not fire between light attacks. I have to hit abilities 3 or 4 times in a row untill they fire. After light attach.

Beardimus

Hurtfan wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

XboxEU Agree with OP, lighting staff attacks are bugged, worse more recently too

And @Hurtfan overload is bugged as you say and has been from launch sadly. Twas the bane of getting Flawless back when OL was still cool for vMA

@Beardimus thanks for the info, I didn't know overload itself was bugged. It acts just like the lightning staff the op described so I just assumed it was related to that.

Time to swap out that ult for eye of the storm I suppose...which is going to be hard to do when light attacks from overload are hitting hard. If the light attacks from overload weren't buggy, man that would be awesome and devastating...

EotS I def a winner for vMA etc now. OL builds still work if you really gear up for it and hit a 30k tooltip, bit when it jams or you can't get off the OL bar its mega frustrating. Also Ultimate used to gp up to 1000 bit they nerfed to specifically to reduce the Sorc ultimate and make it harder to sustain.

One trick I tried in vMA is to slot a destro skill on the bar, if it jams hit that and it auto pulls you out the OL bar. Not great but an options

supaskrub

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

The reason weaving (animation cancelling) is so clunky is because it's a bug that was never intended to be in the game. When ZoS gave up on fixing this issue, it became a "feature". But get this right, the game was never designed to allow weaving like this.

Yeah I get that and I understand that, but why is shock staff weaving so different to an inferno weave?.. Inferno weaving is far superior in my opinion (from a usability point of view), others are not only seeing the problem with shock weaves but also with resto weaves which to me points the problem more at being related to those two types of staff having channeled heavy attacks whereas inferno heavy attacks are direct. We get on with animation cancelling just fine these days (not that I like it I may add) but it should not be so different from one weapon type to another as is the case here.

JamuThatsWho

This is classic; people complaining about a bug with a bug :')

ereboz

I completely agree, this is why even on my mag sorc I switched the font bar to a fire staff. Far easier to weave and results in better numbers, even while losing some dmg from the shock passive.

Koolio

Was about to make a video today. I was messing with swallow soul on resto bar. Animation cancelled heavy attack don’t actually hit but count towards merciless. Would assume it would be the same with lightning. Empty channel time is my best guess.

D0PAMINE

Happens to me on all my magicka builds frequently. Frustrating

Hurtfan

Dangit, now I'm going to have to bust out an inferno staff too, which I do use occasionally but prefer lighting in PvP because, try dodging a heavy attack from a lightning staff.

Septimus_Magna

BlanketFort wrote: »

This has been terrorising my healer for months now.
The lighting light attacks magically turn into heavy attacks that I can’t cancel. I just stand there like an idiot, stuck in a seemingly long heavy attack animation, my group’s health gets low and I can’t do anything about it and my teammates are like “wat u doin 0.o we dying”.

Then when I finally break out of it, more often than not none of my skills will work for around 2-5 seconds, which can feel like an eternity in a healing-heavy scenario. I can see it draining my magicka as I frantically spam springs, or BoL someone from
the brink of death... but there they are, still dying :-( makes me want to throw my controller out the window.

ZOS please fix, I can’t stand my group’s evil eye anymore every time this happens and wipes half the Team.

Im not 100% sure but I think you can cancel the channel with by blocking because its not a skill on the global CD timer. Maybe it will help to get heals off in tricky situations.

Septimus_Magna

Hurtfan wrote: »

Dangit, now I'm going to have to bust out an inferno staff too, which I do use occasionally but prefer lighting in PvP because, try dodging a heavy attack from a lightning staff.

If you block the last tick the caster doesnt get resources back.

Shad0wfire99

It's not just Lightning staves. Inferno's are clunky too. Pretty sure it's been this way since Dark Brotherhood, when they completely boned animation cancelling.

Princess_Ciri

the worst part about this lightning staff feature is when as a healer you get stuck in a heavy attack on back bar and then you have to do another fully charged heavy attack on the same bar otherwise the game stops letting you cast healing springs. I love how one bug leads to another in this game

Hurtfan

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Dangit, now I'm going to have to bust out an inferno staff too, which I do use occasionally but prefer lighting in PvP because, try dodging a heavy attack from a lightning staff.

If you block the last tick the caster doesnt get resources back.

Interesting, did not know that but should've noticed this.