New PvP rewards

magictucktuck

Someone posted something about how there is no incentive to fight the Zerg, especially being a solo pvper. but what if there was a new "Reward for the brave" or something where every 30 or even 50k AP that you get from ONLY kills or heals (not from ticks or captures) we get a container with potions! maybe a stack of 20-40 of them (depending on how much AP we need) but not the lame ones you buy with AP. they can be like the crown pots where they are a little weaker than crafted ones but they are actually useful like health stam/mag immovable. or stam and invis/ detect...



thoughts?!?

Most_Awesome

As a zergling i want a stack of pots every time I kill a solo or small scale player, running around tree's and rocks is a drain on resources.

magictucktuck

Most_Awesome wrote: »

As a zergling i want a stack of pots every time I kill a solo or small scale player, running around tree's and rocks is a drain on resources.

Lol well it would help everyone. The Zerg included. And would actually encourage the zergs to use pots and possibly learn more about their role/ want to fight people more evenly. But that’s an assumption. Most zerglings I run into alone drop quick and don’t really use potions. But that’s just gerneric zerglings not the organized ones I’m talking about

NirnStorm

First of all, if anything, all Rewards for the Worthy should be changed to pots. I don't know any real PvPers who are happy with the bunch of trash you get in the mail every 5 minutes. We all either sell it to a merchant or simply throw it away.
PvP is pricey (sets, pots, etc.) and not very rewarding, gold-wise. If RftW had pots in them, we could save the gold we spend on pots, and it would be much easier to afford new builds, enchants and gear upgrades.

Now, to the point you made with the Rewards for the Brave. What is to say there were "brave"? What if a little zergling just runs in a 24man group stacked with 2 more of full raids, zerging down smaller groups and solo players and gets some kills and these rewards? If you want to reward the brave, give a special reward to a player for playing in a small group or solo and still getting kills.

DeadlyRecluse

RfTW should be adjusted every patch tbh, just to keep them fresh. Add something, take something away, etc. etc.

magictucktuck

NirnStorm wrote: »

First of all, if anything, all Rewards for the Worthy should be changed to pots. I don't know any real PvPers who are happy with the bunch of trash you get in the mail every 5 minutes. We all either sell it to a merchant or simply throw it away.
PvP is pricey (sets, pots, etc.) and not very rewarding, gold-wise. If RftW had pots in them, we could save the gold we spend on pots, and it would be much easier to afford new builds, enchants and gear upgrades.

Now, to the point you made with the Rewards for the Brave. What is to say there were "brave"? What if a little zergling just runs in a 24man group stacked with 2 more of full raids, zerging down smaller groups and solo players and gets some kills and these rewards? If you want to reward the brave, give a special reward to a player for playing in a small group or solo and still getting kills.

i see what your saying here and sure they could also not count your AP if you are in say over a 10 man group. but that would never happen and it would be nice for ZOS to see this and actually implement it. and yes RFTW are worthless once you have played for a couple months but new players still need that gear, either from pvping or buy from guild traders, but they could add pots into them and just do a random 5-20 of them per reward. that's not a bad idea but that makes it where PVDoor players able to grind a bunch for free instead of actively killing people or healing people, so they don't really need them either. that's why i would think a separate reward would be good. but I'm just thinking out loud. my mind could be swayed

EDIT: actually new players can get from the AP vendor already so they really could get rid of them all together and just do Pot Packs

NirnStorm

magictucktuck wrote: »

i see what your saying here and sure they could also not count your AP if you are in say over a 10 man group. but that would never happen and it would be nice for ZOS to see this and actually implement it. and yes RFTW are worthless once you have played for a couple months but new players still need that gear, either from pvping or buy from guild traders, but they could add pots into them and just do a random 5-20 of them per reward. that's not a bad idea but that makes it where PVDoor players able to grind a bunch for free instead of actively killing people or healing people, so they don't really need them either. that's why i would think a separate reward would be good. but I'm just thinking out loud. my mind could be swayed

I agree, if we want it to be something that might really be implemented and not just a wishful dream, then we can't expect a separation based on group size. You are right about that.
I also agree with you regarding the unwanted side effect of PvDoor masters being able to grind pots, but that is a side effect that would happen no matter what improvement they make to RftW, and we still do want them to improve them, there's a new thread about this every 2 weeks.

I guess in the end, it comes down to the same point I make in almost any thread related to AP, PvP titles, or rewards: We need ZOS to come up with a new- improved way to measure success in PvP, one that would be harder to abuse using large raids or preforming PvE actions (PvDoors/quests).

Fel

magictucktuck wrote: »

Someone posted something about how there is no incentive to fight the Zerg, especially being a solo pvper. but what if there was a new "Reward for the brave" or something where every 30 or even 50k AP that you get from ONLY kills or heals (not from ticks or captures) we get a container with potions! maybe a stack of 20-40 of them (depending on how much AP we need) but not the lame ones you buy with AP. they can be like the crown pots where they are a little weaker than crafted ones but they are actually useful like health stam/mag immovable. or stam and invis/ detect...



thoughts?!?

you should ask zenimax for a Job

that sounds exactly like the Kind of useless idea a zenimax guy would come up with and would Change absolutly nothing about the incentive to fight a zerg. its exactly how i imagine These guys at zenimax face problems in the game and how they come up with some useless "solutions" that not even slightly adress the real issues behind the Problem

..... just my thoguhts ....

magictucktuck

Fel wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

Someone posted something about how there is no incentive to fight the Zerg, especially being a solo pvper. but what if there was a new "Reward for the brave" or something where every 30 or even 50k AP that you get from ONLY kills or heals (not from ticks or captures) we get a container with potions! maybe a stack of 20-40 of them (depending on how much AP we need) but not the lame ones you buy with AP. they can be like the crown pots where they are a little weaker than crafted ones but they are actually useful like health stam/mag immovable. or stam and invis/ detect...



thoughts?!?

you should ask zenimax for a Job

that sounds exactly like the Kind of useless idea a zenimax guy would come up with and would Change absolutly nothing about the incentive to fight a zerg. its exactly how i imagine These guys at zenimax face problems in the game and how they come up with some useless "solutions" that not even slightly adress the real issues behind the Problem

..... just my thoguhts ....

lol and you must not have a job period? you don't move up in a company by not speaking ideas/ being constructive. my company literally just fired someone 2 weeks ago because he had an attitude like yours.

but on a serious note, how can you be so negative about someone speaking an idea to add a simple feature that would literally help everyone? i get if you had a better one or something to add or maybe disagree. But you are just completely useless. is that how you act in life? I wouldn't like to be in your shoes sir.

EDIT @fel

frozywozy

There is so much to be said about the mailing / inventory / rewards system. Where to start ehm?

STOP mailing pvp rewards. STOP STOP STOPPPPPP please! If you really wanna stick with the random pieces of PvP gear we have been getting in the Rewards of the worthy, just add a currency that let you buy random boxes from a new quartermaster which contain those rewards. Let players manage their mails from friends / guilds / others without forcing them to go over hundreds of PvP mails. OR add different categories of mails.

Geodes for the transmutation system should stack or should be bankable. And if you really wanna make more money by forcing people to buy extra character inventory room, at least add a TESO Plus feature that let you bank them like you did with the crafting bag.

Did I say STOP mailing pvp rewards?

Now into marketing class 101 to increase the popularity and the interest of both active and potential players that is super easy to implement. Every 30 days campaign cycle, top 10 of every faction gets a UNIQUE mount (IT CAN BE THE SAME EVERY CYCLE!). On top of that, Every 30days campaign cycle, if you are eligible for the yellow rewards (top 3%), instead of giving a random unwanted piece of gear that does not satisfy 30days of active pvp, give a special currency that let you buy the yellow piece of your choice from ANOTHER quartermaster.

Last point, please stop mailing pvp rewards.

Fel

magictucktuck wrote: »

lol and you must not have a job period? you don't move up in a company by not speaking ideas/ being constructive. my company literally just fired someone 2 weeks ago because he had an attitude like yours.

but on a serious note, how can you be so negative about someone speaking an idea to add a simple feature that would literally help everyone? i get if you had a better one or something to add or maybe disagree. But you are just completely useless. is that how you act in life? I wouldn't like to be in your shoes sir.

EDIT @fel

first of all, you asked for our opinion and i choose a sarcastic way, in reference to the Kind of way zenimax seems to Approach issues in the game, to tell you how useless and far away from reality that idea is but ok, lets get serious ...

i dont care how ppl move up in your Company or how your Company had to fire some zergling noobs because of their attitude, but i would always tell my boss right in the face if he is coming up with a stupid idea. your idea was just so insanly useless in regard to the incentive you mentioned, that i just wanted to react to it in a funny way and didnt even bother to go into Detail and formulate a constructive criticism.

just try to exlain to me why you think that a mechanic, which rewards every Player on a ap-gain base with potions, which are usually already available without Limit to each Player, can Change the incentive to fight zergs, especially for a soloplayer,
and you will probably realize in the process how useless your idea is

i am not negative about you "speaking an idea to add a simple Feature that would literally help everyone", i am just expressing my criticism in a sarcastic way about how you formulated your idea. you started your sentence by talking about a way to Change the incentive to fight zergs, especially for soloplayers. in my opinion this idea is so insanly far away from changing this incentive that i could not resist to compare it to the way zenimax seems to adress issues in the game. as you said, that Change would help everyone but it has absolutly nothing to do with the incentive to fight zergs, especially for soloplayers. remove the first sentence of your argument and i have nothing to criticise anymore.

sooo... if you want to come at me with your real life Company nonsense and talk about attitude issues, how about you going back to School and learn how to argue and formulate your ideas in a proper way instead of trying to lecture someone who confronts your idea in a sarcastic way, you do not even seem to understand.

sorry mate, you might call it being useless, but i call it telling ppl right in the face what i think about their idea. and yes, thats exactly how i act in life aswell, i always tell ppl to their face what i think, preferably in a sarcastic way. i rather get fired by telling my boss what a useless noob he is instead of getting fired for saying nothing all the time

and like i said, as soon as you try to explain how your idea would Change the incentive for soloplayers to fight zergs, you should realize by yourself how worthless your idea is and learn from it ^^

you asked for our thoughts and that is what you get from me.
if you have a Problem with ppl, you seem to want to adress with your idea, telling you straight up how useless an idea of yours is, dont blame These ppl or just dont formulate such an nonsene Argument in the first place and ask for other opinions. Sir.

PS: if you Need someone in your Company to explain you why an idea you come up with could be bad or useless, give me a call

magictucktuck

Fel wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

lol and you must not have a job period? you don't move up in a company by not speaking ideas/ being constructive. my company literally just fired someone 2 weeks ago because he had an attitude like yours.

but on a serious note, how can you be so negative about someone speaking an idea to add a simple feature that would literally help everyone? i get if you had a better one or something to add or maybe disagree. But you are just completely useless. is that how you act in life? I wouldn't like to be in your shoes sir.

EDIT @fel

first of all, you asked for our opinion and i choose a sarcastic way, in reference to the Kind of way zenimax seems to Approach issues in the game, to tell you how useless and far away from reality that idea is but ok, lets get serious ...

i dont care how ppl move up in your Company or how your Company had to fire some zergling noobs because of their attitude, but i would always tell my boss right in the face if he is coming up with a stupid idea. your idea was just so insanly useless in regard to the incentive you mentioned, that i just wanted to react to it in a funny way and didnt even bother to go into Detail and formulate a constructive criticism.

just try to exlain to me why you think that a mechanic, which rewards every Player on a ap-gain base with potions, which are usually already available without Limit to each Player, can Change the incentive to fight zergs, especially for a soloplayer,
and you will probably realize in the process how useless your idea is

i am not negative about you "speaking an idea to add a simple Feature that would literally help everyone", i am just expressing my criticism in a sarcastic way about how you formulated your idea. you started your sentence by talking about a way to Change the incentive to fight zergs, especially for soloplayers. in my opinion this idea is so insanly far away from changing this incentive that i could not resist to compare it to the way zenimax seems to adress issues in the game. as you said, that Change would help everyone but it has absolutly nothing to do with the incentive to fight zergs, especially for soloplayers. remove the first sentence of your argument and i have nothing to criticise anymore.

sooo... if you want to come at me with your real life Company nonsense and talk about attitude issues, how about you going back to School and learn how to argue and formulate your ideas in a proper way instead of trying to lecture someone who confronts your idea in a sarcastic way, you do not even seem to understand.

sorry mate, you might call it being useless, but i call it telling ppl right in the face what i think about their idea. and yes, thats exactly how i act in life aswell, i always tell ppl to their face what i think, preferably in a sarcastic way. i rather get fired by telling my boss what a useless noob he is instead of getting fired for saying nothing all the time

and like i said, as soon as you try to explain how your idea would Change the incentive for soloplayers to fight zergs, you should realize by yourself how worthless your idea is and learn from it ^^

you asked for our thoughts and that is what you get from me.
if you have a Problem with ppl, you seem to want to adress with your idea, telling you straight up how useless an idea of yours is, dont blame These ppl or just dont formulate such an nonsene Argument in the first place and ask for other opinions. Sir.

PS: if you Need someone in your Company to explain you why an idea you come up with could be bad or useless, give me a call

a reward for not pveing, and you get more AP from killing someone by yourself. that was easy lol

Talcyndl

frozywozy wrote: »

There is so much to be said about the mailing / inventory / rewards system. Where to start ehm?

STOP mailing pvp rewards. STOP STOP STOPPPPPP please! If you really wanna stick with the random pieces of PvP gear we have been getting in the Rewards of the worthy, just add a currency that let you buy random boxes from a new quartermaster which contain those rewards. Let players manage their mails from friends / guilds / others without forcing them to go over hundreds of PvP mails. OR add different categories of mails.

Geodes for the transmutation system should stack or should be bankable. And if you really wanna make more money by forcing people to buy extra character inventory room, at least add a TESO Plus feature that let you bank them like you did with the crafting bag.

Did I say STOP mailing pvp rewards?

Now into marketing class 101 to increase the popularity and the interest of both active and potential players that is super easy to implement. Every 30 days campaign cycle, top 10 of every faction gets a UNIQUE mount (IT CAN BE THE SAME EVERY CYCLE!). On top of that, Every 30days campaign cycle, if you are eligible for the yellow rewards (top 3%), instead of giving a random unwanted piece of gear that does not satisfy 30days or active pvp, give a special currency that let you buy the yellow piece of your choice from ANOTHER quartermaster.

Last point, please stop mailing pvp rewards.

Not sure if I would have come up with the exact same system. But pretty much ANYTHING would be better than the current system - which for even semi-active PvPers is actually a penalty rather than a reward. Every mail I get is just one step closer to the inevitable hours spent clearing out my mailbox/inventory when it gets full.

Fel

Fel wrote: »

just try to exlain to me why you think that a mechanic, which rewards every Player on a ap-gain base with potions, which are usually already available without Limit to each Player, can Change the incentive to fight zergs, especially for a soloplayer,
and you will probably realize in the process how useless your idea is

magictucktuck wrote: »

a reward for not pveing, and you get more AP from killing someone by yourself. that was easy lol

you probably think it was easy because it has nothing to do with the Change of the incentive to fight zergs, especially for soloplayers

maybe you should have been fired instead of the other guys because you seem to be very incompetent and not even able to answer a very very simple question, or explain in a simple way why you would think your idea would Change anything....

maybe try again, but your initial idea lets already suggest that you are exactly one of These brainless zergling Kids in the game that have no idea what soloplayers want, i mean every single soloplayer in this game would laugh so hard at your effort to explain how your idea would Change their incentive like i said....ist so far away from reality that you should ask zenimax for a Job...you might Need it if your boss finds out that you are not even able to argue in the simplest ways and provide a logic explaination for your statements

magictucktuck

Fel wrote: »

Fel wrote: »

just try to exlain to me why you think that a mechanic, which rewards every Player on a ap-gain base with potions, which are usually already available without Limit to each Player, can Change the incentive to fight zergs, especially for a soloplayer,
and you will probably realize in the process how useless your idea is

magictucktuck wrote: »

a reward for not pveing, and you get more AP from killing someone by yourself. that was easy lol

you probably think it was easy because it has nothing to do with the Change of the incentive to fight zergs, especially for soloplayers

maybe you should have been fired instead of the other guys because you seem to be very incompetent and not even able to answer a very very simple question, or explain in a simple way why you would think your idea would Change anything....

maybe try again, but your initial idea lets already suggest that you are exactly one of These brainless zergling Kids in the game that have no idea what soloplayers want, i mean every single soloplayer in this game would laugh so hard at your effort to explain how your idea would Change their incentive like i said....ist so far away from reality that you should ask zenimax for a Job...you might Need it if your boss finds out that you are not even able to argue in the simplest ways and provide a logic explaination for your statements

@fel for someone who is blatantly an *** to people he doesn’t know you sure have a problem with people sticking up for themselves, that’s pretty small of you. And you’re either just dumb or that fact that I called you out is blinding you of seeing anything. But give a reward for doing something that is better suited for solo play gives 1 inventive to solo play. If you can not comprehend that then idk what to tell you. But this was not a solution to FIX zergs but 1 reason to help. You are just making yourself look like a ***.


edit: if you think a solutions to fix everything comes from 1 idea you will be waiting a while. And if you continue to act like this everytime you have an idea spoken in front of you... well then I’m at a loss of what I can do lol

Fel

magictucktuck wrote: »

@fel for someone who is blatantly an *** to people he doesn’t know you sure have a problem with people sticking up for themselves, that’s pretty small of you. And you’re either just dumb or that fact that I called you out is blinding you of seeing anything. But give a reward for doing something that is better suited for solo play gives 1 inventive to solo play. If you can not comprehend that then idk what to tell you. But this was not a solution to FIX zergs but 1 reason to help. You are just making yourself look like a ***.

edit: if you think a solutions to fix everything comes from 1 idea you will be waiting a while. And if you continue to act like this everytime you have an idea spoken in front of you... well then I’m at a loss of what I can do lol

so cute how someone calls other ppl an *** just because they criticise him i even encouraged you to stick up for yourself by giving you the opportunity to argue why you think your idea could help to solve the issue - pretty funny how you get so offended by all this and start insulting ppl ^^ nothing more hilarious than ppl who Claim to be mature and run a Company to start insulting someone personally on the Internet after coming up with an idea and being confronted with criticism

why are you suddenly thinking this conversation is about Fixing zergs ?!?!?!? again.... if you still think that any single soloplayer in this game would Change his incentive to fight zergs by getting a potential reward of potions (just as all other players do aswell according to your idea), you still dont get the Point of this conversation.

if you would be able to understand a simple sentence, you would have realized that my criticism focusses on the fact that you start your idea by claiming to provide a Change to the incentive to fight zergs, especially for soloplayers. like i said...not a single Player in this game i know and sees himself as a soloplayer would ever think that your idea changes his incentive to fight a zerg. thats all my citicism is about and you still seem to not understand that simple Argument after i explained it to you 3times by now

really? you think i am making a fool out of myself and you called me out? all i see is a guy who came up with an idea and was criticised and challenged to provide an arguement why he thinks his idea would change the incentive to fights zergs (for soloplayers), and you misserably failed so far and sadly i even have to go so far to say that you are arguing on the level of a 5th grade child, and instead of focussing on your argumentation you try to attack ppl on a personal level because you dont seem to be able to defend yourself in any other way

i just cant stop laughing because 90% of the Things you say or come up with after i criticised your idea has just nothing to do with my criticism, and makes me wonder if you understand what i am talking about and the fact that such a guy brings up some Company stories and talks about attitude issues makes it just so much more funny

i am sorry to disappoint you but i will always react by arguing with someone who is coming up with an idea in front of me that has absolutly nothing to do with the Problem the guys seems to adress with his idea. if you have a Problem with getting criticised and getting into an Argument after that, ist not my fault and pls dont blame me for that

if you cant deal with criticism or think that you are not able to take part in a simple Argumentation and have Problems to proof your point....dont ask for thoughts and potential criticism in the first place pls

magictucktuck

Fel wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

@fel for someone who is blatantly an *** to people he doesn’t know you sure have a problem with people sticking up for themselves, that’s pretty small of you. And you’re either just dumb or that fact that I called you out is blinding you of seeing anything. But give a reward for doing something that is better suited for solo play gives 1 inventive to solo play. If you can not comprehend that then idk what to tell you. But this was not a solution to FIX zergs but 1 reason to help. You are just making yourself look like a ***.

edit: if you think a solutions to fix everything comes from 1 idea you will be waiting a while. And if you continue to act like this everytime you have an idea spoken in front of you... well then I’m at a loss of what I can do lol

so cute how someone calls other ppl an *** just because they criticise him i even encouraged you to stick up for yourself by giving you the opportunity to argue why you think your idea could help to solve the issue - pretty funny how you get so offended by all this and start insulting ppl ^^ nothing more hilarious than ppl who Claim to be mature and run a Company to start insulting someone personally on the Internet after coming up with an idea and being confronted with criticism

why are you suddenly thinking this conversation is about Fixing zergs ?!?!?!? again.... if you still think that any single soloplayer in this game would Change his incentive to fight zergs by getting a potential reward of potions (just as all other players do aswell according to your idea), you still dont get the Point of this conversation.

if you would be able to understand a simple sentence, you would have realized that my criticism focusses on the fact that you start your idea by claiming to provide a Change to the incentive to fight zergs, especially for soloplayers. like i said...not a single Player in this game i know and sees himself as a soloplayer would ever think that your idea changes his incentive to fight a zerg. thats all my citicism is about and you still seem to not understand that simple Argument after i explained it to you 3times by now

really? you think i am making a fool out of myself and you called me out? all i see is a guy who came up with an idea and was criticised and challenged to provide an arguement why he thinks his idea would change the incentive to fights zergs (for soloplayers), and you misserably failed so far and sadly i even have to go so far to say that you are arguing on the level of a 5th grade child, and instead of focussing on your argumentation you try to attack ppl on a personal level because you dont seem to be able to defend yourself in any other way

i just cant stop laughing because 90% of the Things you say or come up with after i criticised your idea has just nothing to do with my criticism, and makes me wonder if you understand what i am talking about and the fact that such a guy brings up some Company stories and talks about attitude issues makes it just so much more funny

i am sorry to disappoint you but i will always react by arguing with someone who is coming up with an idea in front of me that has absolutly nothing to do with the Problem the guys seems to adress with his idea. if you have a Problem with getting criticised and getting into an Argument after that, ist not my fault and pls dont blame me for that

if you cant deal with criticism or think that you are not able to take part in a simple Argumentation and have Problems to proof your point....dont ask for thoughts and potential criticism in the first place pls

was there a TLDR? you're just not worth the time.. have a good day

Fel

magictucktuck wrote: »

was there a TLDR? you're just not worth the time.. have a good day

ok finally, that means you have read the text and finally realized the flaws in your idea and in your Argumentation.

anyway, thank you for that nice conversation, always a pleasure for me to educate ppl

a good day to you too, sir

JamilaRaj

magictucktuck wrote: »

Someone posted something about how there is no incentive to fight the Zerg, especially being a solo pvper. but what if there was a new "Reward for the brave" or something where every 30 or even 50k AP that you get from ONLY kills or heals (not from ticks or captures) we get a container with potions! maybe a stack of 20-40 of them (depending on how much AP we need) but not the lame ones you buy with AP. they can be like the crown pots where they are a little weaker than crafted ones but they are actually useful like health stam/mag immovable. or stam and invis/ detect...



thoughts?!?

I think I am sick of "rewards". Whenever I hear the word, I expect Burrhus Skinner will jump from behind a tree and kick me for not pressing a lever to receive a "reward".
Whatever exactly you mean by fighting a zerg, if it sucks, dispensing some rewards for doing it will not make it fun, but at best a job. And most people here probably already have one.

SouthernSoldjer

Yeah please stop mailing rewards, I'm a 2 star and my mail is always full. Also can we get some skins from PvP for once.

barshemm

I think pots is a bit much but ingredients would rock. Doesn't need to be full apothecary satchels for every reward. That would be a bit much but some ingedient rewards for the rewards of the worthy and the maybe satchels for the dailies would work. If you're going to include other crafting mats at least make it worthwhile like purple temper with chance of gold.

Master weapon opportunities for pvp would be great too instead of locking them behind a pve wall. The trend lately has been trials rewarding pve specific gear, give us good pvp gear for pvp.

Agrippa_Invisus

This is something that has been repeatedly asked for.

Unfortunately it gets ignored every time we've requested it.