How to make bomblade to...bomb?

Pijng

Hello there, guys.
At the current moment i'm working on a bomblade build, nothing special:
– 5 vicious death (jewel + 2 sharp swords)
– 5 spinner
– 2 Grothdarr

The build isnt complete yet, but I gave it a try in Shor yesterday and the result is, is rly bad.
The thing is that I couldn't to blow someone at all. I saw around 10-15 ppl at the mine flag, did the "merciless resolve –> proxy –> major sorcerery pot –> double take –> shadowy disguise –> inner magelight –> soul tether + sap essence spam". And failed, lmao. I mean, I did the whole combo without any mistakes, but it was
pointless.

I tried both soul tether and eye of flame (with "eye" thing went a little better) but still couldn't get a vicious death to start an explosion fest.

I think I'm lacking of spell dmg and/or spell pen:
My spell pen is – last light armor passive + spinner + two epic sharp swords + 4200 spell pen from spell erosion cp. So it should be ~14.5k – 15k
Spell dmg is – ~2500 unbuffed and ~3250 buffed.

I think it's not enough, right? At the current moment i'm running with 3x epic magicka harm jewelry glyphs, will change them to gold today. But additional 42 raw spell dmg isnt so much. All gear divines with apprentice mundus.
Cant say anything about cp rn cause i'm at work, might post it later.

I'm looking for some advises/comments on what i'm doing wrong, thanks.

Knootewoot

Well, I bombed a lot and have been bombed a lot. The success depends on several factors. You bomb fully buffed up players who just got a flag after a fierce fight? It will fail. You have to wait until most of them buffed have run out.

I have been successfully after people take a resource lazy with no enemies. They tend not to buff up.
Also after a keep is captures/defended and a lot of people repair wall or door. Mostly the buffs have run out.

But, people have also been bombed so many times. They are aware most of the times a bombing could happen. Whenever i repair a door i always check both sideways if there is no sneaky NB around the corner. And most of the times there just is. It's getting old.

But i have been successful with the same setup as yours, except i don't use spinners but just full light, warmaiden and VD + Grothdar. And of course i also failed at some attempts.

More success was on the no CP campaign though.

Qbiken

Your spell-damage is kind of low for a bomb-blade. Penetration is fine. My suggestions:

* If you´re going to use "Soul-Tether bomb-style", swap out Grothdarr for 1 Kena+1Domihaus. The extra stats and spell-damage from those 2 monster sets will be better than grothdarr. For destro-ult bombing grothdarr is still decent.

*Re-trait your main-hand sword to nirnhoned and off-hand infused and gold them out. This will give you and significant boost in spell-damage.

BUT.........

If I were you I would wait until next patch is released before making major changes to your bombblade (especially the re-traiting). We don´t know if ZOS has any further plans with Vicious Death or proxy detonation. But if no changes are made, the removal of AoE caps will be a big buff for your bombblade next patch.

Sixty5

Target selection is your biggest boon.

Scope out the group and find the dude with the bow and 16k HP, and then go park yourself right next to him so that he is sucking down the full power of your AOE damage.

Vicious Death is useless unless you can kill an initial target, once you get target finding down, bombing becomes a lot easier.

Subversus

Qbiken wrote: »

Your spell-damage is kind of low for a bomb-blade. Penetration is fine. My suggestions:

* If you´re going to use "Soul-Tether bomb-style", swap out Grothdarr for 1 Kena+1Domihaus. The extra stats and spell-damage from those 2 monster sets will be better than grothdarr. For destro-ult bombing grothdarr is still decent.

*Re-trait your main-hand sword to nirnhoned and off-hand infused and gold them out. This will give you and significant boost in spell-damage.

BUT.........

If I were you I would wait until next patch is released before making major changes to your bombblade (especially the re-traiting). We don´t know if ZOS has any further plans with Vicious Death or proxy detonation. But if no changes are made, the removal of AoE caps will be a big buff for your bombblade next patch.

@Qbiken

Why not sharp offhand? You don't really get the benefit of an infused trait since he plan is to hit all your burst from stealth in one gcd, right?

Qbiken

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Your spell-damage is kind of low for a bomb-blade. Penetration is fine. My suggestions:

* If you´re going to use "Soul-Tether bomb-style", swap out Grothdarr for 1 Kena+1Domihaus. The extra stats and spell-damage from those 2 monster sets will be better than grothdarr. For destro-ult bombing grothdarr is still decent.

*Re-trait your main-hand sword to nirnhoned and off-hand infused and gold them out. This will give you and significant boost in spell-damage.

BUT.........

If I were you I would wait until next patch is released before making major changes to your bombblade (especially the re-traiting). We don´t know if ZOS has any further plans with Vicious Death or proxy detonation. But if no changes are made, the removal of AoE caps will be a big buff for your bombblade next patch.

@Qbiken

Why not sharp offhand? You don't really get the benefit of an infused trait since he plan is to hit all your burst from stealth in one gcd, right?

@Subversus Personal preference I guess, but sharp off-hand works fine as well.

Subversus

Qbiken wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Your spell-damage is kind of low for a bomb-blade. Penetration is fine. My suggestions:

* If you´re going to use "Soul-Tether bomb-style", swap out Grothdarr for 1 Kena+1Domihaus. The extra stats and spell-damage from those 2 monster sets will be better than grothdarr. For destro-ult bombing grothdarr is still decent.

*Re-trait your main-hand sword to nirnhoned and off-hand infused and gold them out. This will give you and significant boost in spell-damage.

BUT.........

If I were you I would wait until next patch is released before making major changes to your bombblade (especially the re-traiting). We don´t know if ZOS has any further plans with Vicious Death or proxy detonation. But if no changes are made, the removal of AoE caps will be a big buff for your bombblade next patch.

@Qbiken

Why not sharp offhand? You don't really get the benefit of an infused trait since he plan is to hit all your burst from stealth in one gcd, right?

@Subversus Personal preference I guess, but sharp off-hand works fine as well.

Good to know!

Pijng

Qbiken wrote: »

Your spell-damage is kind of low for a bomb-blade. Penetration is fine. My suggestions:

* If you´re going to use "Soul-Tether bomb-style", swap out Grothdarr for 1 Kena+1Domihaus. The extra stats and spell-damage from those 2 monster sets will be better than grothdarr. For destro-ult bombing grothdarr is still decent.

*Re-trait your main-hand sword to nirnhoned and off-hand infused and gold them out. This will give you and significant boost in spell-damage.

BUT.........

If I were you I would wait until next patch is released before making major changes to your bombblade (especially the re-traiting). We don´t know if ZOS has any further plans with Vicious Death or proxy detonation. But if no changes are made, the removal of AoE caps will be a big buff for your bombblade next patch.

Yeah, I think I just have to w8 until dragon bones patch release and just farm gold rn. Also I forgot about the removal of AoE caps at all tho

Pijng

Qbiken wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Your spell-damage is kind of low for a bomb-blade. Penetration is fine. My suggestions:

* If you´re going to use "Soul-Tether bomb-style", swap out Grothdarr for 1 Kena+1Domihaus. The extra stats and spell-damage from those 2 monster sets will be better than grothdarr. For destro-ult bombing grothdarr is still decent.

*Re-trait your main-hand sword to nirnhoned and off-hand infused and gold them out. This will give you and significant boost in spell-damage.

BUT.........

If I were you I would wait until next patch is released before making major changes to your bombblade (especially the re-traiting). We don´t know if ZOS has any further plans with Vicious Death or proxy detonation. But if no changes are made, the removal of AoE caps will be a big buff for your bombblade next patch.

@Qbiken

Why not sharp offhand? You don't really get the benefit of an infused trait since he plan is to hit all your burst from stealth in one gcd, right?

@Subversus Personal preference I guess, but sharp off-hand works fine as well.

And another question - what about wep enchants? Do they make sense at all on bomblade?

Subversus

Pijng wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Your spell-damage is kind of low for a bomb-blade. Penetration is fine. My suggestions:

* If you´re going to use "Soul-Tether bomb-style", swap out Grothdarr for 1 Kena+1Domihaus. The extra stats and spell-damage from those 2 monster sets will be better than grothdarr. For destro-ult bombing grothdarr is still decent.

*Re-trait your main-hand sword to nirnhoned and off-hand infused and gold them out. This will give you and significant boost in spell-damage.

BUT.........

If I were you I would wait until next patch is released before making major changes to your bombblade (especially the re-traiting). We don´t know if ZOS has any further plans with Vicious Death or proxy detonation. But if no changes are made, the removal of AoE caps will be a big buff for your bombblade next patch.

@Qbiken

Why not sharp offhand? You don't really get the benefit of an infused trait since he plan is to hit all your burst from stealth in one gcd, right?

@Subversus Personal preference I guess, but sharp off-hand works fine as well.

And another question - what about wep enchants? Do they make sense at all on bomblade?

Well if you run infused on offhand the only logical enchant would be a weapon dmg one on main hand. Otherwise I can't see how it would matter.

Lexxypwns

Dude, make your weapons gold. Also, infused berserker glyph back bar and get a light attack in before bar swapping.

Nirn+Precise for dw swords. Precise is marginally more damage on a bomb blade than sharpened and since you’re not reliably weaving light attacks to get double infused from infused off hand that’s the best option. Outside of berserker glyph all the other glyph options scale poorly against multiple opponents anyway

jaws343

Trying switching out Spinners with Mechanical Acuity. The 5 seconds of crit damage to all targets is devastating with Eye of Flame. More so than the penetration given with spinners. I dropped a stationary destro ult on a flag last night and melted everyone on my non-bomber mechanical acuity running Magplar.

Pijng

jaws343 wrote: »

Trying switching out Spinners with Mechanical Acuity. The 5 seconds of crit damage to all targets is devastating with Eye of Flame. More so than the penetration given with spinners. I dropped a stationary destro ult on a flag last night and melted everyone on my non-bomber mechanical acuity running Magplar.

Unfortunately don't have access to cwc.

Subversus

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Dude, make your weapons gold. Also, infused berserker glyph back bar and get a light attack in before bar swapping.

Nirn+Precise for dw swords. Precise is marginally more damage on a bomb blade than sharpened and since you’re not reliably weaving light attacks to get double infused from infused off hand that’s the best option. Outside of berserker glyph all the other glyph options scale poorly against multiple opponents anyway

Why is precise better though? With sharp you're doing more damage both on crits and on non crits while precise only boosts VD procs?

I assume we're talking tether bombs and not destro ult, so wouldn't it be counter productive to light attack before going in for the kill?

jaws343

Pijng wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Trying switching out Spinners with Mechanical Acuity. The 5 seconds of crit damage to all targets is devastating with Eye of Flame. More so than the penetration given with spinners. I dropped a stationary destro ult on a flag last night and melted everyone on my non-bomber mechanical acuity running Magplar.

Unfortunately don't have access to cwc.

If you are in a guild that has the set in the gyild house you could go that route.

VirtualElizabeth

Or you could hang out in IC all the time and only bomb people who are fishing!

(yes it happened to me, twice - I am obsessed with the fishing achievement)

Girl_Number8

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Or you could hang out in IC all the time and only bomb people who are fishing!

(yes it happened to me, twice - I am obsessed with the fishing achievement)

Really?? That's cold, that takes a lot of dedication to get that achievement

NoFlash

jaws343 wrote: »

Trying switching out Spinners with Mechanical Acuity. The 5 seconds of crit damage to all targets is devastating with Eye of Flame. More so than the penetration given with spinners. I dropped a stationary destro ult on a flag last night and melted everyone on my non-bomber mechanical acuity running Magplar.

This gives me hope for my magplar!

Trashs1

jaws343 wrote: »

Trying switching out Spinners with Mechanical Acuity. The 5 seconds of crit damage to all targets is devastating with Eye of Flame. More so than the penetration given with spinners. I dropped a stationary destro ult on a flag last night and melted everyone on my non-bomber mechanical acuity running Magplar.

roffl what kind of potatoes did u find there???

and stationary staf ult in a pvp environment? u might be one of that pve guys who only want warhorn for their templars? xD

Pijng

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Or you could hang out in IC all the time and only bomb people who are fishing!

(yes it happened to me, twice - I am obsessed with the fishing achievement)

To be honest, Cyrodiil – is my only way, since I dont own any dlcs but Morrowind upgrade c:

Thanks all of you guys, re-traited main hand sword to nirnhoned, gonna improve 2 swords to gold tomorrow and check the build again.

Rohamad_Ali

Make sure you have Mage guild 10 and might of the guild . Empowered attacks only on bomb run . So many think gear makes the bomb best , it's empowered attacks . You need everything to pop in that 4 seconds .

Pijng

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Make sure you have Mage guild 10 and might of the guild . Empowered attacks only on bomb run . So many think gear makes the bomb best , it's empowered attacks . You need everything to pop in that 4 seconds .

So probably if I want to bomb with destro ult then which attack I have to empower? Proxy or first tick of "Eye of flame"?

Rohamad_Ali

Pijng wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Make sure you have Mage guild 10 and might of the guild . Empowered attacks only on bomb run . So many think gear makes the bomb best , it's empowered attacks . You need everything to pop in that 4 seconds .

So probably if I want to bomb with destro ult then which attack I have to empower? Proxy or first tick of "Eye of flame"?

Pop inner light and then you can go either EoTF or Magblade Ult for stun . It's really about timing and all buffs up . You can kill in purple gear many if you time it right with empower , spell power pot an relentless focus . Just remember that 4 sec rule .

Cherryblossom

Pijng wrote: »

Hello there, guys.
At the current moment i'm working on a bomblade build, nothing special:
– 5 vicious death (jewel + 2 sharp swords)
– 5 spinner
– 2 Grothdarr

The build isnt complete yet, but I gave it a try in Shor yesterday and the result is, is rly bad.
The thing is that I couldn't to blow someone at all. I saw around 10-15 ppl at the mine flag, did the "merciless resolve –> proxy –> major sorcerery pot –> double take –> shadowy disguise –> inner magelight –> soul tether + sap essence spam". And failed, lmao. I mean, I did the whole combo without any mistakes, but it was
pointless.

I tried both soul tether and eye of flame (with "eye" thing went a little better) but still couldn't get a vicious death to start an explosion fest.

I think I'm lacking of spell dmg and/or spell pen:
My spell pen is – last light armor passive + spinner + two epic sharp swords + 4200 spell pen from spell erosion cp. So it should be ~14.5k – 15k
Spell dmg is – ~2500 unbuffed and ~3250 buffed.

I think it's not enough, right? At the current moment i'm running with 3x epic magicka harm jewelry glyphs, will change them to gold today. But additional 42 raw spell dmg isnt so much. All gear divines with apprentice mundus.
Cant say anything about cp rn cause i'm at work, might post it later.

I'm looking for some advises/comments on what i'm doing wrong, thanks.

@Pijng
basically you need to pick your targets, if the majority of the group are 20k+ health you will struggle, most groups want to be 25k+ to avoid this type of attack, these groups don't even bother.
There are many of us who can stand next to a Destro Ulting Emp and laugh at his failed corpse on the floor!

Pijng

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Pijng wrote: »

Hello there, guys.
At the current moment i'm working on a bomblade build, nothing special:
– 5 vicious death (jewel + 2 sharp swords)
– 5 spinner
– 2 Grothdarr

The build isnt complete yet, but I gave it a try in Shor yesterday and the result is, is rly bad.
The thing is that I couldn't to blow someone at all. I saw around 10-15 ppl at the mine flag, did the "merciless resolve –> proxy –> major sorcerery pot –> double take –> shadowy disguise –> inner magelight –> soul tether + sap essence spam". And failed, lmao. I mean, I did the whole combo without any mistakes, but it was
pointless.

I tried both soul tether and eye of flame (with "eye" thing went a little better) but still couldn't get a vicious death to start an explosion fest.

I think I'm lacking of spell dmg and/or spell pen:
My spell pen is – last light armor passive + spinner + two epic sharp swords + 4200 spell pen from spell erosion cp. So it should be ~14.5k – 15k
Spell dmg is – ~2500 unbuffed and ~3250 buffed.

I think it's not enough, right? At the current moment i'm running with 3x epic magicka harm jewelry glyphs, will change them to gold today. But additional 42 raw spell dmg isnt so much. All gear divines with apprentice mundus.
Cant say anything about cp rn cause i'm at work, might post it later.

I'm looking for some advises/comments on what i'm doing wrong, thanks.

@Pijng
basically you need to pick your targets, if the majority of the group are 20k+ health you will struggle, most groups want to be 25k+ to avoid this type of attack, these groups don't even bother.
There are many of us who can stand next to a Destro Ulting Emp and laugh at his failed corpse on the floor!

Hah, well, does it mean that my only targets are pugs and I better don't try to bomb any decent groups?(I'm not talking about flawless organized groups such as Banana Squad etc).
Or is there any "secrets" to do so?

Pijng

UPD: Weapons improved to gold, main hand nirnhoned, off-hand is sharp, 3x legendary spell harm glyphs, improved timings of rotation + now focus low hp/cp player at the start of bombing. Yesterday did my first bombings, hah. Was rly fun.
Thanks all of you guys c:

Datthaw

I've never made a bomb blade, but with aoe caps being removed and this new set coming out, I want to. Make a bomb blade of justice, to harrass all these zergs

Pijng

Datthaw wrote: »

I've never made a bomb blade, but with aoe caps being removed and this new set coming out, I want to. Make a bomb blade of justice, to harrass all these zergs

What set do you mean?

clocksstoppe

Sixty5 wrote: »

Target selection is your biggest boon.

Scope out the group and find the dude with the bow and 16k HP, and then go park yourself right next to him so that he is sucking down the full power of your AOE damage.

Vicious Death is useless unless you can kill an initial target, once you get target finding down, bombing becomes a lot easier.

With the upcoming patch, aoes will deal full damage to anyone caught in them. You wont need to do this anymore. Actually, bombers just got a masdive buff

Datthaw

Pijng wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I've never made a bomb blade, but with aoe caps being removed and this new set coming out, I want to. Make a bomb blade of justice, to harrass all these zergs

What set do you mean?

I want to run VD and these new sets once dragon bones dlc drops, bomb blade of justice

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Caluurion’s+Legacy+Set

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Zaan+Set

Idk why that first link is not posting correctly

Crispen_Longbow

Datthaw wrote: »

Pijng wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I've never made a bomb blade, but with aoe caps being removed and this new set coming out, I want to. Make a bomb blade of justice, to harrass all these zergs

What set do you mean?

I want to run VD and these new sets once dragon bones dlc drops, bomb blade of justice

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Caluurion’s+Legacy+Set

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Zaan+Set

Idk why that first link is not posting correctly

They changed how Zaan procs, It's 20% chance on light or heavy attacks. They don't need to crit.

Elfbane and Zaans will be nice now for dual Magblade plus whatever other set you prefer.

Teather bombing zaans wouldn't work.

Destro bombin, if you still have people in your bomb after 4-7 seconds it's good but those are usually just potatoes.

Right now Zaans is completely broken on PTS. Block, roll-dodge, weapon swap, use any skill will break the beam. Also you can purge the beam off.