Stop putting roes in everything

Carbonised

ZOS why do you keep putting roes in every recipe like the Romanovs prefer their caviar blinis?

Only a very few of the woodworking furnishing recipes actually call for a Rosin, but every one of the provisioning furnishings call for a perfect roe. It is super unimmersive that it costs a perfect roe in order to make a mortar and pestle, or a mammoth cheese container. What happens with the roe? My character eats it while making the mortar? Roes are also the single most costly and rare of the gold components, far more so than alloys, rosin, wax and Kuta. And you also insist on putting roes in every gold recipe on top of that, like Orzorga's and Citrus Fillet. Only a small minority uses these gold foods, due to them being only a tiny bit better than regular purple and blue food that is vastly cheaper to make.
The master writ recipes that call for Orzorga's and Ambrosia already sit at half the price or less than all the other writs, due to them being far, far too costly to make because of the roe component.

Either put more roes into circulation, by increasing their droprate, or at least remove the roe cost from silly recipes such as mortar and pestle and mammoth cheese ..

Ahzek

Whats very funny to me about roe in provisioning recipies, is that they make zero sense in some of them.

This is the most obvious with the CWC gold recipie. You obtain it in a questline that makes a point about how hard it is to get good ingredients in CWC and that they have to make do with what they got. Then in the end you get rewarded a recipie where the guy specificlaly says that all ingredients are easily accessible so you wont have to go hungry, and it requires a perfect roe, the bloody rarest ingredient in the game ...

Prof_Bawbag

People sell/list perfect roe writs? I just bin them. Not even worth the pittance it would cost to list them. One of the worst writs you can get. At least there are alternative recipes, but you can't exactly use an alternative method to make those writs. I often wonder if ZoS pay great attention to some of the grinds in this game. They obviously think we all get roes at a drop of a hat.

Carbonised

Ahzek wrote: »

Whats very funny to me about roe in provisioning recipies, is that they make zero sense in some of them.

This is the most obvious with the CWC gold recipie. You obtain it in a questline that makes a point about how hard it is to get good ingredients in CWC and that they have to make do with what they got. Then in the end you get rewarded a recipie where the guy specificlaly says that all ingredients are easily accessible so you wont have to go hungry, and it requires a perfect roe, the bloody rarest ingredient in the game ...

It's so unimmersive!

I see your citrus fillet recipe, and I raise you this:

I'm still wondering what the heck happens with that roe while I'm crafting a mortar and pestle.

Carbonised

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

People sell/list perfect roe writs? I just bin them. Not even worth the pittance it would cost to list them. One of the worst writs you can get. At least there are alternative recipes, but you can't exactly use an alternative method to make those writs. I often wonder if ZoS pay great attention to some of the grinds in this game. They obviously think we all get roes at a drop of a hat.

Well they sure list them, for about half the price of other writs, or even less.

But I doubt that anyone actually buys them.

Carbonised

And another one:



Where does the roe go here? I drop it into the goblet once it's done?

TequilaFire

Go fishing!

Carbonised

TequilaFire wrote: »

Go fishing!

I already have every fishing achievement in the game and about 50 perfect roes in my bag. That doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, regarding the sillyness of perfect roe recipes.

Carbonised

Mixing cheese with fish roe can't be a good idea ..

Prof_Bawbag

TequilaFire wrote: »

Go fishing!

If only it was that easy. I know if i farm 200 of any other mat, I'm more or less guaranteed to see 1 gold mat. Farming mats can also be incorporated into your journey from A to B. Fishing, I could stand there for hours, gut countless fish and still not receive a roe. I'm not exaggerating when i say I can regularly gut 400+ fish and get nothing but, well, FISH.

Considering the time put into catching fish and finding fishing spots, a 1 out of 100 chance would be more fitting and bring it more in line with other refining.

CardboardedBox

Wow. I never really got into housing, so I had no idea such a thing existed. That's pretty bad lol.

Im planning to attempt to start a house soon since I've read about 20 billion design papers. Remind me to stay away from the food...

TequilaFire

Well Asians put fish sauce in everything so not so strange.

TheCyberDruid

Carbonised wrote: »

I'm still wondering what the heck happens with that roe while I'm crafting a mortar and pestle.

You are eating a cracker with the roe while crafting of course!

INHUMANENATION

Carbonised wrote: »

ZOS why do you keep putting roes in every recipe like the Romanovs prefer their caviar blinis?

Only a very few of the woodworking furnishing recipes actually call for a Rosin, but every one of the provisioning furnishings call for a perfect roe. It is super unimmersive that it costs a perfect roe in order to make a mortar and pestle, or a mammoth cheese container. What happens with the roe? My character eats it while making the mortar? Roes are also the single most costly and rare of the gold components, far more so than alloys, rosin, wax and Kuta. And you also insist on putting roes in every gold recipe on top of that, like Orzorga's and Citrus Fillet. Only a small minority uses these gold foods, due to them being only a tiny bit better than regular purple and blue food that is vastly cheaper to make.
The master writ recipes that call for Orzorga's and Ambrosia already sit at half the price or less than all the other writs, due to them being far, far too costly to make because of the roe component.

Either put more roes into circulation, by increasing their droprate, or at least remove the roe cost from silly recipes such as mortar and pestle and mammoth cheese ..

This makes me smile. ty. As a gm i routinely get sent both the master writs that call for roes and it's a only mildly offensive lol.

MinuitPro

At first I thought ZOS simply couldn't figure out how make it legendary without requiring a legendary material for that crafting tier, but several other legendary furnishings don't require one... it's there just to baffle and annoy.

I would probably learn it, but I wouldn't want to waste one of my 80 roes making it.

crowfl56

All I can say is WOW, people will complain about anything.

I have never had a problem harvesting roe.

Go fishing, clean fish, get roe.

It's a task the fits all u stay on line folks, 24/7

Quit whinning

ccfeeling

This is what marketing streagy, players have to invest more time and effort in the game.

Mitrenga

Then we will see threads like "Make Roes Great Again!".

Peekachu99

Carbonised wrote: »

And another one:



Where does the roe go here? I drop it into the goblet once it's done?

Being a billionaire, you eat it with a fine glass of wine while Jeeves puts the item together for you.

omegatay_ESO

Does not have to make sense, only if it makes sense to zos. Like all the other crap excuses as to why something can't be in there world. *rolls eyes*

Apache_Kid

crowfl56 wrote: »

All I can say is WOW, people will complain about anything.

I have never had a problem harvesting roe.

Go fishing, clean fish, get roe.

It's a task the fits all u stay on line folks, 24/7

Quit whinning

I think this is a great thing to complain about. It makes no sense for furnishings to use perfect roe and the drop rate is too low. You can spend hours fishing and skin hundreds of fish and not get a single one. I refined just over 300 two days ago and didn't get a single one. Why isn't the drop rate the same as refining ore, wood, and silk mats for other gold mats? Fishing is a lot more boring and not as good money as farming the other materials. Should be brought in line. And I say this as someone who has Master Angler so I have plenty of experience with the awful roe drop rates.

Tapio75

This is true. But what REALLY frustrates me, is that we need furnishing recipes for stuff like apples and potatoes.. Bread.. i mean these things should be allready applicable as furnishing because they are ingredients for food or food thats readily available OR made by provisioner allready.

There are many things that should not need anything but maybe a "Conversion" to furniture but no, we need to make them from stuff that makes no sense.

magictucktuck

maybe the roe gives it a shine, or the smoothness in the mortar

xeNNNNN

CardboardedBox wrote: »

Wow. I never really got into housing, so I had no idea such a thing existed. That's pretty bad lol.

Im planning to attempt to start a house soon since I've read about 20 billion design papers. Remind me to stay away from the food...

The food really wouldnt be so bad if you actually got more from it.

I.e same amount of health and chosen reasource + a little extra of both health and magicka regen. Then it would be totally worth it.

But right now as it stands its actually just better to run dual food (some call it bi food but dual sounds better to me) and or then run witchmothers.

Actually now that I think about it, the legendary food is actually just a slightly better witchmothers food.

Either they buff the roe drop rate or buff the food. I honestly wouldnt mind it having the best food stats in the game (for magicka users) if it actually was good vs the effective cost of crafting resources.

Lyserus

TequilaFire wrote: »

Well Asians put fish sauce in everything so not so strange.

no we don't

and Definitely not in motar

Carbonised

We also have a new recipe on the PTS for the bottled bonsai tree - which also requires a perfect roe!

Why are these even provisioning recipes to begin with? Mortar and pestle, bonsai tree and orcish skull goblet have nothing to do with provisioning whatsoever. Mortar should have been alchemy or blacksmithing, goblet woodwork or blacksmithing, bonsai tree alchemy or woodworking.

And for the love of Vivec stop requiring a perfect roe for every recipe that's gold!

And for the love of Almalexia double or triple the voucher rewards from those Orzorga/ambrosia writs - no one wants to do them! Or simply remove them completely.

Ch4mpTW

Carbonised wrote: »

We also have a new recipe on the PTS for the bottled bonsai tree - which also requires a perfect roe!

Why are these even provisioning recipes to begin with? Mortar and pestle, bonsai tree and orcish skull goblet have nothing to do with provisioning whatsoever. Mortar should have been alchemy or blacksmithing, goblet woodwork or blacksmithing, bonsai tree alchemy or woodworking.

And for the love of Vivec stop requiring a perfect roe for every recipe that's gold!

And for the love of Almalexia double or triple the voucher rewards from those Orzorga/ambrosia writs - no one wants to do them! Or simply remove them completely.

Wait a moment. How does 1 exactly get a bonsai tree out of roe? What type of trickery is this? Especially considering that the roe of question comes from a fish. What part of the structure utilizes fish roe?

Carbonised

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

We also have a new recipe on the PTS for the bottled bonsai tree - which also requires a perfect roe!

Why are these even provisioning recipes to begin with? Mortar and pestle, bonsai tree and orcish skull goblet have nothing to do with provisioning whatsoever. Mortar should have been alchemy or blacksmithing, goblet woodwork or blacksmithing, bonsai tree alchemy or woodworking.

And for the love of Vivec stop requiring a perfect roe for every recipe that's gold!

And for the love of Almalexia double or triple the voucher rewards from those Orzorga/ambrosia writs - no one wants to do them! Or simply remove them completely.

Wait a moment. How does 1 exactly get a bonsai tree out of roe? What type of trickery is this? Especially considering that the roe of question comes from a fish. What part of the structure utilizes fish roe?

I know! Trees from fish egges? Utter nuts! You might even say something smells extremely F-I-S-H-Y!

Dojohoda

MinuitPro

Roes were declared too powerful... enter the Roe sink.

Giraffon

I support increasing the drop rate of Roe or removing it from non-consumable items.