Alright, PvP noob perspective.

Gulnagel

Hi, I've decided to try out PvP in Cyrodiil. Up till now I've been playing PvE as a templar healer and DPS as a sorcerer and doing good. I also have a warden as a crafter and my warden is the one I've been using in PvP.

Well I run with 7th legion and werewolf hide sets. Bloodspawn for ulti. Two handed and dualwield identical setup to this build: https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-warden-pvp-build/

Because I'm new to PvP I wanted a good start. Now here are my thoughts.

I've had a couple of fun nights, warden is good but feels very clunky(ofcourse I have nothing to compare it to). Most fights are zerg vs zerg.

Great burst potential as a warden but it's not very fun dizzy>subassault>fightersguildulti>execute

I've been playing a LOT of PvP lately and one thing caught my mind I don't know if it's a ltp issue but usually I get rekt if there are 2 on me. Die in 1 sec. I have the hardest time landing dizzying swing even with animatincancel, it's not a reliable skill.

And warden for me is not fun. Even though I've been practicing, looking up videos on pro players.

The class and skill I've seen wreck groups are stamnightblades gankbuilds, appear for 3 secs and you have 5 x poisioninjections and some burst and back to cloak disorienting groups and pick off people 1 by 1. This is more of my playstyle aswell tactics over brute force. Thinking of rolling a nightblade for PvP purposes only.

I don't want this thread to come off as a OP this OP that. I'm just trying to understand PvP and find a playstyle that suits me.

Any experienced players that can share some tips, help me improve my game?

What's your thoughts on my PvP build, and on stamwarden. Maybe there are more fun wardenbuilds.

I'm on ps4 so no add-ons.

RABIDxWOLVERINE

I'm in the same boat. My biggest problem is I don't have the skills I need but I'm basically running off the same Alcast build but I feel like I'm not very good. Its probably just an experience thing but one thing I have been happy about is my survivability. Iv eonly PvP'd on my PvE Stam DK which was horrible and I feel I'm much better suited now but I don't really feel like I'm an asset to my group. I can do damage but I have a hard time finishing foes off. I believe once I get Dawnbreaker I might be a little stronger.

In PvP what are the most crucial elements of my build that I should be focusing on?

Also I must say the last few Cyro nights with the guild have been a lot of fun I just want to feel more competitive.

Thogard

Warden playstyle can be very similar to stamblade style with the “hit and run” mindset. It can also be tanky, which is the default for most people (and easiest), but I suggest trying to change your warden play style before jumping ship to stamblade. Warden is just such a versatile class that you should really experiment with styles before you pigeonhole yourself into one with a less flexible class choice.

Here’s a vid from last night of me on stamden using the hit/run style. Build is medium armor. Chest / legs is cyrodil crest (hvy) jewelry is all cyrodil crest (healthy I know) rest is medium bloodspawn and medium clever alchemist with VMA 2h, so 5 medium 2 heavy. Food is lava soup, no undaunted passives yet.

First fight is me going 20-0 in BG whole solo queueing. You’ll see I don’t stay in one place for long, and there are a few times I almost kill someone but don’t because I move on quickly.

Runschei

I main a stamina nightblade and they are definitely not the easiest to master. Stamina nightblades can be a bit squishy but has overall an ok to good survivability (imo) if done right. I do believe ZOS is trying to get rid off the ganking in pvp because of the major nerf to the earlier ultimate gank set (Clever Alchemist) and several other nerfs such as bow and stealth. But of course, don't let ZOS stop you there if you truly want to gank. I started my stamina nightblade days by doing ganking for nearly two years or so. It is funny indeed, especially when you get the hilarious hatemails for it.

I do agree with Thogard over here tho. Try a little bit more with your warden because it is such a versatile class compared to the nightblade. Cheers!

NordSwordnBoard

Try Vampirism before ditching a class - stage 4 dark stalker changed my pvp life - I mean I began surviving much more putting myself into stealth all the time. This is on my main, a sorc. I also have a stamblade, stam dk, and magden.

magictucktuck

Honestly i had the same issues with wardem, i did fine with it but i dont like that everything is slow coming. or i can use 2h with WB which i hate or SB and which is ok but I never wear heavy armor.

so i play NB even if you want to go heavy and not use cloak you still have a class spammable, so you have WAY more diverse build options. now that said most night blades play similar anyways but you can make something unique if you want. your not stuck with 2h or SB you can use either of them or DW and not use the weapon *** spammables. or you can. if i am in the mood for WB i can use it or i can use my instant cast.

Didgerion

It is complicated.

Short answer - you are all set up - you just don't use your mobility to your advantage. If your HP is doping fast then heal up and kite.

JamilaRaj

Gulnagel wrote: »

The class and skill I've seen wreck groups are stamnightblades gankbuilds, appear for 3 secs and you have 5 x poisioninjections and some burst and back to cloak disorienting groups and pick off people 1 by 1.

How is that different from warden? Aside from, when it is not 1v1, mashing combat reset button until it is 1v1, instead of running around a tree with speedbuff?

TheDoomsdayMonster

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Try Vampirism before ditching a class - stage 4 dark stalker changed my pvp life - I mean I began surviving much more putting myself into stealth all the time. This is on my main, a sorc. I also have a stamblade, stam dk, and magden.

Dark Stalker is one of the strongest aspects of Vampirism and I 100% agree with you as pertains it...

Rainraven

If hit-and-run is more your thing, yeah nightblade or sorc lend themselves to that best, with cloak and streak. They're also a bit less reliant on having a lot of allies nearby.

If you want to try NB, then do that. You can get into Kyne any time after level 10, and that will be a bit more forgiving a place to experiment with it.

Good luck! And if you gank me, I keel you.

DynastyIXII

I agree with you about Stam warden. I'm a magicka warden and I see a ton of Stam warden out there and ALL of them have the same build and rotation. I lose interest on fighting them because everyone one of them are humping the meta LOL.

Olupajmibanan

Warden isn't really the best class for hit-n-run playstyle. I play this with my Stamsorc which is extremely powerful for this type of playstyle thanks to streak and third bar via Overload.

I am exactly the opposite as you OP. I like to be in the frontlines and heroicly jump on group of 20 people, survive whole fight and actually kill something. MagDK fits me the best for this. I always liked classes with the best survivability but moderate damage (protPala was my favourite in WoW).

DynastyIXII wrote: »

I agree with you about Stam warden. I'm a magicka warden and I see a ton of Stam warden out there and ALL of them have the same build and rotation. I lose interest on fighting them because everyone one of them are humping the meta LOL.

I am a duo SnB Warden with Bloodspawn, Warriors Fury and Bone Pirate Tatters. It is an utter monster in BGs instakilling people with subt,dive,reverb,dawbreaker combo and actually surviving even the longest deathmatch fights.
Just saying this to the Meta followers, there are off-meta builds which can work surprisingly good. Streamers are good advisors but bad masters, remember that.

Sixty5

Honestly practice and experience is all I can really say.

A lot of classes feel pretty clunky initially, but as you learn them, you begin to get a feel for the way things work and playing them becomes a lot smoother.

Commiting all of your combos and animation cancels to muscle memory is the biggest thing. As a stamblade being able to weave Surprise Attack without thought is a massive gain, likewise on a Stam Warden, being able to rotate your buffs and time a Sub DB without needing to focus on it will help you out a lot.

Just stick with one class and keep at it until something feels good. And if you feel something about your setup is off, you can always try swapping out abilities or gear until everything clicks.

Unlike in PVE there is no optimal build or rotation, it all comes down to you.

Raudgrani

I've never been good at 2H in PVP, I only use it for Executioner on my stamblade.
I haven't got the hang of running stamina warden yet either, but I made a build that seems really good, problem is just I ain't hahaha... I find myself being the only survivor of my group quite often, and these 10 remaining enemies have to spend some good 10-30 seconds taking me down. I don't have this weird 6k weapon damage that many stamina wardens seems to have, but more like 3.8k or so, but that's with purple weapons etc., and not even all skills/passives fully leveled yet.

Previously, I had quite a great success with a stamDK, mainly meant to go werewolf. Not that extreme damage, but seriously tanky - really good for breaking up siege and so on - but I got kind of tired of that playstyle.
The two characters I have the most success with now, is a nord/vamp stamblade - that one works the best by far for me, as long as I don't jump into the very middle of zerg fights, I survive most things and spread dead bodies all around - or simply get away when all goes astray.
I have a tanky templar healer too (not an Argonian). To be frank, the heals are not THAT great, but somewhere around or right below average for PVP, but I find enemies leaving me alone most of the time because they realize they won't take me down. I have really fast resurrects on that one, and once I'm "Immovable" I get half a group up in the blink of an eye. So it's a great build in that way. I also amuse myself with pinning down enemies for others to kill, and execute enemies on low health.

Right now, I'm working on an annoying DK tank too. This will be much of an "utility tank" with rather amazing health recovery, and really high resistances. I will basically chain, talon, debuff and snare people and so on with it.

Shortly, in PVP you don't need that perfected skills, and have the highest number of kills to have a great time. Aside from my stamblade, I really don't kill that much anymore. I found this healer/tank playstyle to be more fun atm. And no, I'm not one of those "run-around-trees" tanks, just getting beat up to show everyone how tanky they are. That kind of sucks.

Dunnn

I am said Stam NB gank build, and I have been since my first roll - it takes a lot of time getting used to everything - practice will help you improve whatever class you are playing.

When I first went into PvP, I got melted and melted, and I gradually started to understand and learn what did and didn't work - its the same with any class, you learn your strengths, and your weaknesses. I would stick with your warden for now and find a decent group, run with them and learn from them as well as yourself.

Learning when to engage and at what moments you can be most effective based on your build is also a huge advantage. These are all things that will come with time.

Gear can only make you so good, but at the end of the day it all comes down to experience.

Vapirko

Dizzying swing is a giant pain in the ass and it serves the one with the best server connecting/lowest ping. The higher your latency the more likely people will just dance around outside of it while smacking you with the same attack. Or they’ll both start at the same time but you’ll get hit first. It’s also just a bit odd to get used to.