Bow Priority Sets?!?!

Night_Wolf2112 · January 2018

Could some of you out there in forum land help me out with a list from strongest (PvE/PvP) to weakest of the sets based on Bow use?
I have no order of best to worst... but here is what I think there are for Bow use:

MAIN SETS; Marksman - Hawk's Eye - Archer's Mind - Ranger - Wilderqueen - (others I am unaware of or forgot?) Is There A Monster Set For Bow Users?
Sub Sets; Hundings - Night Mother's - Eternal Hunt - Morag Tong - Vice Cannon - Spriggan - VO - Viper - (others I am unaware of or forgot?)

Solariken · January 2018

Sheer Venom, Assassin's Guile.

Edit: Automaton is very strong on a bow sorc.

Calboy · January 2018

Does anyone know if I proc poison arrow with marksman on backboard then switch to front bar without marksman, does the damage continue to be buffed? Hard to test

GrumpyDuckling · January 2018

I have a Nightblade that exclusively uses the bow in PVP. Sets include:

5 piece Dreugk King Slayer (on bow, jewelry, and chest)
5 piece Spriggan's Thorns
1 piece Kra'gh

I dislike using potions and Two-Handed for Major Brutality, so I went with Dreugh King Slayer instead. Having Camo Hunter slotted also guarantees me Minor Berserk (because I always lead from stealth).

This build means that I never have to buff, and I'm always prepared. The sets aren't the best possible build for bow, but it's strong enough and is very much a "plug and play" build with an easy rotation for bow-centric players.

SodanTok · January 2018

Pretty much any meta set that is not melee only is equally good on bow in pvp/pve. On top of that, marksman and morag tong are good in PVP. All of the other you listed are pretty much trash (the non meta ones).

As for monster set, the only good pve monster sets are velidreth, stormfist.
In PVP it is again the meta sets like trollking or bloodspawn. Skoria too.

Calboy wrote: »

Does anyone know if I proc poison arrow with marksman on backboard then switch to front bar without marksman, does the damage continue to be buffed? Hard to test

No. And pretty easy to test with something like Hawk eye.

Jade1986 · January 2018

For Pvp if you are running an archer Morag Tong + Marksman and asylum bow / master bow are the BEST options. Nothing compares.

DDuke · January 2018

Alright, so for PvP I've tested pretty much everything there is and compared damage numbers.

Asylum Bow is a must have for burst oriented builds, Master's Bow on off bar is good to have as well but not a must.
Marksman is a must have for pretty much every PvP bow build, the set is just too good to pass.

...with that out of the way, your build options start to vary:
for stamblade or warden, the most burst damage you'll have is with Morag Tong (and picking Acid Spray/Lethal Arrow morphs), which also buffs your Poison Injection a lot.

For any other class (without access to Minor Berserk), 2x Slimecraw & 3x Agility jewelry provides the most damage (more than 5x Automaton or 5x Hawkeye, this I have tested).

If you want to take a more balanced, sustained DPS route then Sheer Venom will provide some nice DoT damage without sacrificing too much weapon damage.

If you need more sustain (and don't want to give up too much damage), then Hawkeye is the way to go.

On stam sorc, you'll want to make sure you pick Focused Aim/Bombard morphs btw, you get +5% extra physical dmg via passives.

budrow · January 2018

Both Senche and Way of Air are roll dodge builds but since you roll dodge on bow bar for the expedition buff and vigor. It’s all in the play style. I sometimes bank in which I use Marksman/hundings but when I’m looking for fights, I like senche/hundings. Heavy attack-poison inject-Vigor-roll through player and switch to 2h for all the nightblade goodies buffed.

Jarryzzt · January 2018

Solariken wrote: »

Sheer Venom, Assassin's Guile.

Edit: Automaton is very strong on a bow sorc.

Wouldn't Automaton be suboptimal specifically on a bow, since Poison Injection deals poison and not physical damage?

It would buff Hail, of course, so I suppose with the vMA bow that might outdistance the "lack of bonus" to Poison Injection (though I'm not sure what happens once you get to "execute" stage). And I guess the other Stamsorc skills would benefit as well...Still. I wonder if anyone has run Automaton against Hunding (buffs everything, but less) on, say, a Stamsorc to see how the overall damage output changes.

Night_Child · June 2018

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MickeyBN · June 2018

Another build mentioned in another post:

Sheer Venom
Sloads
Skoria

Bit of an emphasis on dots and then watching skoria drop seems like a decent playstyle, although I’m sure many players would roll their eyes at Sloads.

I haven’t had the chance to test this build out yet, I’m currently in the process of collecting Sheer Venom (2 pieces to go) would anyone who’s tested Sheer say it’s half decent?

Narvuntien · June 2018

I was running Strenght of automation + Hundings (BGs) or Strength of automation + Archer's mind (Cryodil) for a long time.

but.... with the nerf to empower I am playing melee ganks now... with Clever Alchemist and Spriggans.... I can't one shot without empower so Clever Alchemist is easy enough to trigger, particularly if you open with Poison injection as its damage updates with the CA Weapon damage buff. Heavy attack , PI, pop a potion and bamn I have 5400 weapon damage.

I am pretty certain Strength of automation doesn't buff poison and disease damage that seems like a bug if it does...

In execute I would close the gap, flip to my back bar and use executioner and/or Onslaught anyway

DoonerSeraph · June 2018

I run 1 Kena, 1 Kragh's, Marksman and Automaton's on Bow bar.

Asylum SnB backbar for Defensive Stance and Spell Wall.

I'm a stam sorc so the focus is full physical damage.

rumple9 · June 2018

I find I run out of stam very quickly if I don't use both marksman and Hawkeye. For monster bloodspawn

Asardes · June 2018

Imperial/Redguard Stamina sorcerer running Slimercraw+Draugr+NMG front w Master bow on back bar, Bound Armaments, Flawless Dawnbreaker and few Fighters Guild skills slotted on front bar, spamming LA->Crushing Weapon, and refreshing Focused Aim and Poison Injection from back bar

agrr70 · June 2018

Morag tong/hundings , divines.
1 kena / 1 veli, divines.
infused neck,wd ench,2 rings wd ench, robust.
5400 wd,34k stam,
Bows are Morag tong, front nirn,with poison, rear infused with WD

stuff melts^^

GrumpyDuckling · June 2018

Night_Child wrote: »

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Jarryzzt wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Sheer Venom, Assassin's Guile.

Edit: Automaton is very strong on a bow sorc.

Wouldn't Automaton be suboptimal specifically on a bow, since Poison Injection deals poison and not physical damage?

It would buff Hail, of course, so I suppose with the vMA bow that might outdistance the "lack of bonus" to Poison Injection (though I'm not sure what happens once you get to "execute" stage). And I guess the other Stamsorc skills would benefit as well...Still. I wonder if anyone has run Automaton against Hunding (buffs everything, but less) on, say, a Stamsorc to see how the overall damage output changes.

I run Strength of the Automaton/Hunding's Rage/Molag Kena on my Stamina NB. The Strength of the Automaton set increases the weapon damage of my physical, poison, and disease damage moves. Yes, this has been tested. However, I am making the change to drop Hunding's Rage while keeping the Strength of the Automaton, adding 3 piece Dreugh King Slayer for jewelry, Master daggers, and Master bow all to increase the overall damage output of my Shadowscale.

"The Strength of the Automaton set increases the weapon damage of my physical, poison, and disease damage moves. Yes, this has been tested."

@Night_Child

Are you sure about that? Unless there was a recent update to the set, I don't think it has ever increased poison and disease damage.

lazerlaz · June 2018

MickeyBN wrote: »

Another build mentioned in another post:

Sheer Venom
Sloads
Skoria

Bit of an emphasis on dots and then watching skoria drop seems like a decent playstyle, although I’m sure many players would roll their eyes at Sloads.

I haven’t had the chance to test this build out yet, I’m currently in the process of collecting Sheer Venom (2 pieces to go) would anyone who’s tested Sheer say it’s half decent?

I love love love sheer when paired with skoria on a heavy dps bow build which is exactly how I've run my Nightblade for 2 years. It's gotten to the point I always build with skoria and sheer venom in mind first.

Surprisingly for Summerset, I took off agility and my masters bow to run 5x sload 5x sheer, and 2 skoria and I'm on the border of saying it's a step down from my old build and even dare say sloads plain sucks lol

It's a massively overhyped set and not having the masters bow with agility jewelry (remember I do all dps on bow bar with 2h as my buff bar) I can really notice my lack of burst with other attacks.

I'm still testing sloads but so far it's not looking good and ready to trash.

redshirt_49 · June 2018

I run Coward + Marksman on my Warden bow build. Sustain is excellent but it is lacking in burst.

Sergykid · June 2018

Slimecraw would be good as monster helm for bow, but if highly probably you play NB as anyone would do with a bow you can use Sellistrix which deals instant aoe damage under the target that stuns and the dps ratio is 1k just as to most monster helm proc sets.

Night_Child · June 2018

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GrumpyDuckling · June 2018

Night_Child wrote: »

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GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Jarryzzt wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Sheer Venom, Assassin's Guile.

Edit: Automaton is very strong on a bow sorc.

Wouldn't Automaton be suboptimal specifically on a bow, since Poison Injection deals poison and not physical damage?

It would buff Hail, of course, so I suppose with the vMA bow that might outdistance the "lack of bonus" to Poison Injection (though I'm not sure what happens once you get to "execute" stage). And I guess the other Stamsorc skills would benefit as well...Still. I wonder if anyone has run Automaton against Hunding (buffs everything, but less) on, say, a Stamsorc to see how the overall damage output changes.

I run Strength of the Automaton/Hunding's Rage/Molag Kena on my Stamina NB. The Strength of the Automaton set increases the weapon damage of my physical, poison, and disease damage moves. Yes, this has been tested. However, I am making the change to drop Hunding's Rage while keeping the Strength of the Automaton, adding 3 piece Dreugh King Slayer for jewelry, Master daggers, and Master bow all to increase the overall damage output of my Shadowscale.

"The Strength of the Automaton set increases the weapon damage of my physical, poison, and disease damage moves. Yes, this has been tested."

@Night_Child

Are you sure about that? Unless there was a recent update to the set, I don't think it has ever increased poison and disease damage.

I am more than sure. Did I not just say that this has been tested? I am not interested in thoughts and opinions from you, myself, or anyone else out there. I am interested in facts. I am wearing the set. Let's take Poison Arrow for example. I take off my boots (Strength of the Automaton) and my poison damage from my ability goes down? I then put back on my boots and my poison numbers jump up? See, the thing is I did that test a year ago. I took a break from the game, came back around April 2018, got caught up on patch notes, and tested this again the first couple of days in June. I post real facts. I don't drive a bunch of band wagons filled with thoughts and dreams and fill the next guys head up with nonsense. No recent update needed. It's been like that. I've been playing since release and have a very successful Shadowscale build that has grown with every patch, dlc, expansion, and new sets that come into the game. I actually test the gear I mention. I'll leave with saying this. Idc what PC players post or what people say or what gear they praise for no reason like Mechanical Acuity and for all those out there wondering...Mechanical Acuity (Now nerfed, thank God) is highly over-rated. Tested and not impressed. I've also had others test the SotA just to make sure I was right. So yes...I'm sure about that. You, however, could never be sure because you are posting negative THOUGHTS about gear you've never tested. I want you to be focused. Take your time. This is the time we should all take to learn something.

@Night_Child
Okay, because your response read in such a condescending way, I went ahead and equipped my 5 piece Automaton and did some testing with Poison Injection.

With 5 pieces of Automaton's, I measured the DOT of Poison Injection on Sea Viper Butcher enemies who are above 50% health, and who I was standing right next to (because the Long Shot passive influences the DOT damage depending on proximity to enemy) at 1,550 damage every tick.

Then I took off the 5th piece of Automaton's and put on a medium armor equivalent piece (same total stamina and same purple quality) and attacked the same enemy under the same conditions. With 4 pieces of Automaton, the DOT registered at 1,550 damage every tick, which is the exact same number.

As you can see, Automaton's DID NOT affect the damage from my poison skill. I'm curious as to what your test conditions are and what skills you are using, because my results point to Automaton's NOT working with Poison Injection.

Night_Child · June 2018

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GrumpyDuckling · June 2018

Night_Child wrote: »

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GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Jarryzzt wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Sheer Venom, Assassin's Guile.

Edit: Automaton is very strong on a bow sorc.

Wouldn't Automaton be suboptimal specifically on a bow, since Poison Injection deals poison and not physical damage?

It would buff Hail, of course, so I suppose with the vMA bow that might outdistance the "lack of bonus" to Poison Injection (though I'm not sure what happens once you get to "execute" stage). And I guess the other Stamsorc skills would benefit as well...Still. I wonder if anyone has run Automaton against Hunding (buffs everything, but less) on, say, a Stamsorc to see how the overall damage output changes.

I run Strength of the Automaton/Hunding's Rage/Molag Kena on my Stamina NB. The Strength of the Automaton set increases the weapon damage of my physical, poison, and disease damage moves. Yes, this has been tested. However, I am making the change to drop Hunding's Rage while keeping the Strength of the Automaton, adding 3 piece Dreugh King Slayer for jewelry, Master daggers, and Master bow all to increase the overall damage output of my Shadowscale.

"The Strength of the Automaton set increases the weapon damage of my physical, poison, and disease damage moves. Yes, this has been tested."

@Night_Child

Are you sure about that? Unless there was a recent update to the set, I don't think it has ever increased poison and disease damage.

I am more than sure. Did I not just say that this has been tested? I am not interested in thoughts and opinions from you, myself, or anyone else out there. I am interested in facts. I am wearing the set. Let's take Poison Arrow for example. I take off my boots (Strength of the Automaton) and my poison damage from my ability goes down? I then put back on my boots and my poison numbers jump up? See, the thing is I did that test a year ago. I took a break from the game, came back around April 2018, got caught up on patch notes, and tested this again the first couple of days in June. I post real facts. I don't drive a bunch of band wagons filled with thoughts and dreams and fill the next guys head up with nonsense. No recent update needed. It's been like that. I've been playing since release and have a very successful Shadowscale build that has grown with every patch, dlc, expansion, and new sets that come into the game. I actually test the gear I mention. I'll leave with saying this. Idc what PC players post or what people say or what gear they praise for no reason like Mechanical Acuity and for all those out there wondering...Mechanical Acuity (Now nerfed, thank God) is highly over-rated. Tested and not impressed. I've also had others test the SotA just to make sure I was right. So yes...I'm sure about that. You, however, could never be sure because you are posting negative THOUGHTS about gear you've never tested. I want you to be focused. Take your time. This is the time we should all take to learn something.

@Night_Child
Okay, because your response read in such a condescending way, I went ahead and equipped my 5 piece Automaton and did some testing with Poison Injection.

With 5 pieces of Automaton's, I measured the DOT of Poison Injection on Sea Viper Butcher enemies who are above 50% health, and who I was standing right next to (because the Long Shot passive influences the DOT damage depending on proximity to enemy) at 1,550 damage every tick.

Then I took off the 5th piece of Automaton's and put on a medium armor equivalent piece (same total stamina and same purple quality) and attacked the same enemy under the same conditions. With 4 pieces of Automaton, the DOT registered at 1,550 damage every tick, which is the exact same number.

As you can see, Automaton's DID NOT affect the damage from my poison skill. I'm curious as to what your test conditions are and what skills you are using, because my results point to Automaton's NOT working with Poison Injection.

I use Venom Arrow which is no different for testing because poison is poison. With all 5 pieces of SotA equipped, check your tool tip for your Poison Injection. Remember the numbers you see or write them down. Now, remove a piece of your SotA armor. At this point, look at your tool tip. Now, Idk what tests you are doing, but my numbers are definitely slightly different and not only on this tool tip, but this target dummy I'm hitting as well. To not wear a 5th piece of SotA - in my case run this test barefoot - should be the same as putting on some trash irrelevant piece. So, Idk what your doing, but it is not accurate testing.

As for your condescending comment, I'm not going to apologize for anything that was read utilizing an incorrect tone as asynchronous communication is what it is. It's nothing personal and we're having a good time over here. I hope you are as well, bud. I took some extra time to check online for anything and found this:

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Poison+Arrow

Scroll down to "Equipment Sets That Affect Poison Arrow."

Please do not call the accuracy of my testing into question when I presented all of my testing information (so you know how to replicate it, simply) and when there are flaws with your own testing:

1- Don't rely on the tooltip, as they are not always accurate. Turn on combat numbers and look at the actual damage you are doing to the enemy (as I did with my testing).

2- Running the test barefoot is NOT the same. You are dealing less damage while barefoot because you have less overall stamina from the enchant on the boots (Automaton's has a stamina enchant by default), and skills scale on max stamina.

You're referencing a wiki as a source for your argument? I want you to take your time, focus, and do the testing yourself (now that I've pointed out some flaws in your testing). You might learn something

Night_Child · June 2018

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GrumpyDuckling · June 2018

Night_Child wrote: »

There are no flaws on my testing. You are testing inaccurate. That's fact. You want to take off a stamina piece to put another one on? No. Btw, I simply took the time to look up something that stated what my tests read. Moreover, do you want a .org, .net, .edu source for an Elder Scrolls video game? Lmao. Now that is pathetic and even you know it. Do not use another piece to do your testing. It will provide stats like stamina which effects weapon damage and in turn effect the test. The tool tip is not always accurate? No, the tool tip is never accurate. The fact that the numbers on a poison tool tip change is fact. That is the argument. Don't try to sway away from it. It's late now, but I will post my pics tomorrow. I have numbers of me without the 5th piece and with. I also took the liberty of doing a disease damage test for everyone as well.

See bold^

That's the entire point for putting on a different set of boots (to maintain the same exact total stamina numbers). You said you were doing the tests barefoot after removing Automaton's, which means that you threw away a max stamina enchant, and your max stamina numbers were LESS than they were when you were wearing Automaton's.

I don't know how to make that any more clear.

Darkmage1337 · June 2018

My Wood Elf NB is currently using 5/5 Spriggans, 5/5 Bone Pirate, and 2/2 Molag Kena.
Primary: Bow. Secondary/back-bar: 2H (2H for Rally/Major Brutality buff, Vigor on this back-bar, as well).
It has great damage and sustain (even with Kena proc). Something like 40k stamina, over 3k stam regen (with dubious camoran throne food/bone-pirate set buff active) and over 3k weapon damage.

Head/Shoulders: Molag Kena (Infused on Helm, Divines on Shoulders) [2/2]
Chest/Legs/Hands/Belt/Feet: Bone Pirate (Impen) [5/5]
Neck/Rings: Purple Spriggans Jewelry. (Default Stam Regen traits) [5/5]
Primary: Gold Spriggan's Bow (Weapon trait transmuted to Nirnhoned)
Secondary: Gold Spriggan Greatsword (Again, weapon trait transmuted to Nirnhoned)

Works well for me in PvP and PvE.

Zeromaz · June 2018

MickeyBN wrote: »

Another build mentioned in another post:

Sheer Venom
Sloads
Skoria

Bit of an emphasis on dots and then watching skoria drop seems like a decent playstyle, although I’m sure many players would roll their eyes at Sloads.

I haven’t had the chance to test this build out yet, I’m currently in the process of collecting Sheer Venom (2 pieces to go) would anyone who’s tested Sheer say it’s half decent?

Sheer Venom is great if you’re stacking multiple dots

NoMoney4G · June 2018

Senche + Air + Slimecraw/Kena-Velidreth