Paying to use dye station

Tasear

Not sure what prices of tokens are but this a bit too far making so normal players can no longer dye without paying gold. That means every color costs . Takes away eso core feature.

P.S it's bugged you can't leave it without paying

@aliyavana have you seen this?

Linaleah

I've been told its only in outfit section, but even then. we are already paying to change outfit, dye should NOT cost extra.

Derra

I really think paying to dye is stupid. It´s a small change that does nothing good for the game. Just makes me no longer wanna use a feature i enjoyed (finding good colour combinations).

It´s especially annyoing when colouring weapons as you can´t see them in the station completely and have to exit (pay) to see the changes made.

SydneyGrey

Linaleah wrote: »

I've been told its only in outfit section, but even then. we are already paying to change outfit, dye should NOT cost extra.

Yes, they're tacking on more gold costs every time you add a dye to the outfit. I think that's kind of pointless. It won't affect me since I've been playing the game over a year now and have the gold, but it'll affect new players.

You can still dye armor for free, though. To clarify, you have to change a setting on the dye station from Outfit 1 to No Outfit, and you can still dye armor for free like normal.

Tasear

SydneyGrey wrote: »

You can still dye armor for free. You just have to change a setting on the outfit station. The default is to use Outfit 1. You have to change that to No Outfit, and you can dye your armor for free like normal. You can also still dye costumes free if you have ESO+.

Yes forgive but seems like a cheap business ploy. But the confusion is from well having outfit 1 as default when first looking at station. Might be advisable to change or add tutorial.

Alcast

If you want to change an outfit, you pay.
If you want to change dye on costume or armor, you do NOT pay.

Tasear

Alcast wrote: »

If you want to change an outfit, you pay.
If you want to change dye on costume or armor, you do NOT pay.

Yeah read above it's a UI flaw or business tactic that caused confusion.

Carbonised

Alcast wrote: »

If you want to change an outfit, you pay.
If you want to change dye on costume or armor, you do NOT pay.

But what if you want to dye an outfit? Paying 2k every time you want to change a single slot of equipment is enough, I don't think that paying 2k every time I change a dye on an outfit slot is necessary. Especially because you often have to leave the dye station to actually see how the colours look in normal light.

Tasear

Carbonised wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you want to change an outfit, you pay.
If you want to change dye on costume or armor, you do NOT pay.

But what if you want to dye an outfit? Paying 2k every time you want to change a single slot of equipment is enough, I don't think that paying 2k every time I change a dye on an outfit slot is necessary. Especially because you often have to leave the dye station to actually see how the colours look in normal light.

It's 250 gold to dye be outfits...So the thread is reborn. Well is it okay to charge gold for dying outfits?

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50 gold per slot

Carbonised

Tasear wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you want to change an outfit, you pay.
If you want to change dye on costume or armor, you do NOT pay.

But what if you want to dye an outfit? Paying 2k every time you want to change a single slot of equipment is enough, I don't think that paying 2k every time I change a dye on an outfit slot is necessary. Especially because you often have to leave the dye station to actually see how the colours look in normal light.

It's 250 gold to dye be outfits...So the thread is reborn. Well is it okay to charge gold for dying outfits?

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50 gold per slot

50 gold to dye every motif? Or only the cheap motifs? The outfit creation is motif dependant, from 100 for the cheap ones to 2000 for the expensive ones. Could someone please see if that is the same for dyeing, or if it's a fixed cost for all motifs?

In any case, I think paying 16,000 for an entire outfit per outfit per character is more than plenty. Having even more microtransactions going on every time you chance a colour is excessive.

Derra

Alcast wrote: »

If you want to change an outfit, you pay.
If you want to change dye on costume or armor, you do NOT pay.

Ok if it´s an UI error i can´t complain i guess.

malchior

Dyeing should always be free on ESO+, regardless if it's outfit or not. The cost should only be designing the outfit, anything more is blatant daylight robbery.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Carbonised wrote: »

50 gold to dye every motif? Or only the cheap motifs? The outfit creation is motif dependant, from 100 for the cheap ones to 2000 for the expensive ones. Could someone please see if that is the same for dyeing, or if it's a fixed cost for all motifs?

I haven't been able to access my crafter who has all the rare Motifs, but I'll post here so I remember to check tonight assuming they fix the login issue.

In the mean time, I DID check the rarity of dyes and there doesn't seem to be a difference there - it's 50 gold for each of the existing tiers (hadn't checked the new material tiers). And it is 50 gold per piece right now, not per channel, so you can put one dye in one channel or three dyes in all three channels and it will still be 50 gold for that piece.

Elsonso

Carbonised wrote: »

50 gold to dye every motif? Or only the cheap motifs? The outfit creation is motif dependant, from 100 for the cheap ones to 2000 for the expensive ones. Could someone please see if that is the same for dyeing, or if it's a fixed cost for all motifs?

Dye cost is independent of the style. On PTS, I am pretty sure it was always 50 gold per armor slot. 350g for weapons.

FrancisCrawford

malchior wrote: »

Dyeing should always be free on ESO+, regardless if it's outfit or not. The cost should only be designing the outfit, anything more is blatant daylight robbery.

It's not the fairness of the price that bothers me.

Rather, NO price can be fair, because the previews at the dye station aren't accurate enough to let us judge what something will really look like. Specific problems with those previews that are unlikely to ever change include:

• Limited angle and distance of view.
• Limited range of lighting -- in fact no range at all.

Also, when last I looked it was hard to hide helmets in the dye station UI.

The dye station's UI simply isn't accurate enough to be trustworthy; hence it needs to offer "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back". And in practice that means not charging in the first place.

Elsonso

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

Dyeing should always be free on ESO+, regardless if it's outfit or not. The cost should only be designing the outfit, anything more is blatant daylight robbery.

It's not the fairness of the price that bothers me.

Rather, NO price can be fair, because the previews at the dye station aren't accurate enough to let us judge what something will really look like. Specific problems with those previews that are unlikely to ever change include:

• Limited angle and distance of view.
• Limited range of lighting -- in fact no range at all.

Also, when last I looked it was hard to hide helmets in the dye station UI.

The dye station's UI simply isn't accurate enough to be trustworthy; hence it needs to offer "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back". And in practice that means not charging in the first place.

Personally, I just think that dying armor and weapons should not cost additional gold, no matter what interface is used to do it. The only reason to do it is a gold sink, and there is already a gold sink built into using the styles in the first place.

Carbonised

Even still it's a pretty shady if not downright [snip] thing to charge for. We're already paying 16k per outfit to change it, is there really such a substantial need to add even more gold microtransactions for simply changing the shade of colour you're wearing? And as has been said several times, the light at the dye stations is tricky, many times I have to go back and forth between outside and inside and change a colour maybe 6-7 times before I'm satisfied. Hearing 50 gold pieces vanish down the drain every time I do that won't make me broke, but it's enough to annoy me and sour the whole experience.

Unnessecary annoyance, at the very least make outfit dyeing free for ESO+ members, as we already get costume dyeing for free ..

[Edited to remove profanity]

maboleth

You don't pay to color your armour and a costume. But you do for your outfit gear.

I agree, the colouring should be free for ESO+.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

So somewhere there is someone paying for the dyes and then paying to use them? That is awesome.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Seriously guys? the forums will find anything to complain about. One of the best features to come along in a while. All respecs cost a marginal amount of gold, why is this different. Gold sinks prevent runaway inflation.

I spend 13k gold a week in respecs because I am a dps most of the time but a vet trials tank on Thursday with my guild. I find a way to fund that decision to do both on the same character (hint: daily crafting writs provide plenty of gold). If you want to change your dyes 20 times in a week, find a way to fund it. I hear daily crafting writs are a good way to go.

SilentRaven1972

Dying shouldn't cost. We have to earn/unlock those dyes. We work hard to get them. So far, that is the only thing I see wrong with the new system.

maboleth

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

Dying shouldn't cost. We have to earn/unlock those dyes. We work play hard to get them

Fixed it for you.

NyassaV

I'm so done with this game... SHEILD DYING WAS FREE AND IT CAME LIKE 2 YEARS AGO OMG I NEED SLEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mauin

I don't have that much of a problem with the fact that we have to pay to dye the actual outfits, mainly because I don't intend to use the system on more than one character.

So far, the primary issue I have with this is that weapon dyes are locked behind the use of outfits. We can still dye armor and costumes for free, but we can't dye our weapons unless we go and make an "outfit" just to do that. Why? I've wanted the ability to change the colors of my weapons to match my costumes for a while now, but it seems that I'll have to pay every time I want to do that because I have no choice but to make an "outfit" just to change the color of my weapon. I don't even want to change the style... Just the color.

I'm sorry, but that just seems incredibly stupid to me.

starkerealm

Yeah, not a fan of outfit dying having a gold cost associated with it. It's not the end of all life, but it does seem kinda annoying. Especially since it penalizes tinkering with the dyes in various lighting conditions until you get it just right. It's cheap enough that this isn't some horrific deal breaker, but it is annoying.

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Also, when last I looked it was hard to hide helmets in the dye station UI.

That's just generally bjorked up in the current build.

idk

Linaleah wrote: »

I've been told its only in outfit section, but even then. we are already paying to change outfit, dye should NOT cost extra.

Iirc there is no charge to change outfits. Merely the initial charge to set a new outfit. Once set we can change at will without additional costs.

Elsonso

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Seriously guys? the forums will find anything to complain about. One of the best features to come along in a while. All respecs cost a marginal amount of gold, why is this different. Gold sinks prevent runaway inflation.

I spend 13k gold a week in respecs because I am a dps most of the time but a vet trials tank on Thursday with my guild. I find a way to fund that decision to do both on the same character (hint: daily crafting writs provide plenty of gold). If you want to change your dyes 20 times in a week, find a way to fund it. I hear daily crafting writs are a good way to go.

The point of PTS is not to tell the developers how wonderful and perfect they are. It offers the players an opportunity to suggest alternatives and changes.

Of course people can pay for it. That isn't the the big issue. Should they have to pay for it? That is the more interesting question.

idk wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

I've been told its only in outfit section, but even then. we are already paying to change outfit, dye should NOT cost extra.

Iirc there is no charge to change outfits. Merely the initial charge to set a new outfit. Once set we can change at will without additional costs.

I am interested to know why you think that. If you have an outfit, with a style and dye established for that outfit, it costs gold if you go back in and change the Dye color.

Boboli

Alcast wrote: »

If you want to change an outfit, you pay.
If you want to change dye on costume or armor, you do NOT pay.

This is not true from what I can see, I can't find a normal Dye Station, all are now Outfit Stations and when I dye my own crafted armor using an outfit station I have to pay...a LOT too! So where can I dye for free?

EDIT: I see how, you change the left drop down in Outfit Station dialog to No Outfit and it is free BUT...I gotta say, after many years as an ESO subscriber this is the first time it feels like they are trying to milk money from players with sketchy user interface like this. I almost paid $2750 to dye my armor and I suspect many people do. That ultimately means more store business in one way or another for some. This just reeks of greed or desperation and I just lost a ton of respect for Zenimax with this. I know, I know it is not a big deal but for me it revealed a side to them that I didn't think existed in taking advantage of players like this.

Anyway problem fixed but a bit better user interface like telling players how to dye for FREE during "Checkout" would be nice.

Tasear

Boboli wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you want to change an outfit, you pay.
If you want to change dye on costume or armor, you do NOT pay.

This is not true from what I can see, I can't find a normal Dye Station, all are now Outfit Stations and when I dye my own crafted armor using an outfit station I have to pay...a LOT too! So where can I dye for free?

Make sure you don't have outfit equiped. Of you are paying for dyes then you do so check drop down menu.

WuffyCerulei

Please stop necroing threads from over a year ago.

Tasear

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Please stop necroing threads from over a year ago.

He probably was just looking for help and Google pulled up the thread.