PvP is so annoying

Datthaw

Blocking really iisn't all that easy. You have to know when to block what, and have to tap block. You hold that block down too long or too much and there goes your stam pool, congratulations you're one cc from death

Datthaw

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Vermintide wrote: »

-Battlegrounds will help you learn faster than any amount of time playing Horse Simulator. The amount of downtime you have in open world and the prevalence of zergs makes it so that you get far less experience in balanced fights than you think you're getting. Dueling is a totally different skill to thee rest of pvp IMO, but it will teach you a lot about where your weaknesses are etc.

This is very true.

Dueling is imo the absolute best way to get better.

CatchMeTrolling

Datthaw wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Vermintide wrote: »

-Battlegrounds will help you learn faster than any amount of time playing Horse Simulator. The amount of downtime you have in open world and the prevalence of zergs makes it so that you get far less experience in balanced fights than you think you're getting. Dueling is a totally different skill to thee rest of pvp IMO, but it will teach you a lot about where your weaknesses are etc.

This is very true.

Dueling is imo the absolute best way to get better.

Dueling is the best way to learn your rotation but it isn’t the best way to learn small scale or simple 1v2’s, dueling and small scale has a totally different feel. There’s some really good duelers that can’t small scale and vice versa.

Datthaw

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Vermintide wrote: »

-Battlegrounds will help you learn faster than any amount of time playing Horse Simulator. The amount of downtime you have in open world and the prevalence of zergs makes it so that you get far less experience in balanced fights than you think you're getting. Dueling is a totally different skill to thee rest of pvp IMO, but it will teach you a lot about where your weaknesses are etc.

This is very true.

Dueling is imo the absolute best way to get better.

Dueling is the best way to learn your rotation but it isn’t the best way to learn small scale or simple 1v2’s, dueling and small scale has a totally different feel. There’s some really good duelers that can’t small scale and vice versa.

Yeah I agree each way has a different play style. But in terms of learning your class the mechanics of skills I can't think of a better way

Nemeliom

Mattoxx96 wrote: »

I'm 690 cp. Yes I've got top sets required for both specs, yet I get destroyed, been doing it for over 6 months now and I'm still dying way too easily.

To tell you the truth, I learned a lot by trying different classes. You learn you can shield up, block, when to roll dodge, line of sight, etc.
By trying to be very good in many classes I got to be decent in most.
It's hard work.

Knootewoot

Datthaw wrote: »

Blocking really iisn't all that easy. You have to know when to block what, and have to tap block. You hold that block down too long or too much and there goes your stam pool, congratulations you're one cc from death

True. To be honest I also hardly block. As magblade my stamina pool is not that big. I hope my cloak does it for me. But sadly everyone I run into has detection potions, pop magelight or use other encounters to cloak.
I hope someday @Zos sees how broken and easy cloak is encountered. People cry about cloak all the time, but what if I could encounter block or shield by drinking a potion?

Datthaw

Knootewoot wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Blocking really iisn't all that easy. You have to know when to block what, and have to tap block. You hold that block down too long or too much and there goes your stam pool, congratulations you're one cc from death

True. To be honest I also hardly block. As magblade my stamina pool is not that big. I hope my cloak does it for me. But sadly everyone I run into has detection potions, pop magelight or use other encounters to cloak.
I hope someday @Zos sees how broken and easy cloak is encountered. People cry about cloak all the time, but what if I could encounter block or shield by drinking a potion?

Lol could you imagine the rage that comes from an unblockable pot? The hate would be legendary, probably surpass poisons.

RighteousBacon

git gud

Methariorn

I add: try to play with some friends with TS or Discord: PvP is far more fun that way.

A_G_G_R_O

Mattoxx96 wrote: »

I have been playing magDK and stam NB around cyrodiil and as soon as I go up against more than 1 person I'm dead within a couple of seconds, yet I see other nb and dk taking hits all day long by multiple people. I even used phirah set on my mag dk and still get annihilated. Why?

The community would have you think your not using enough macros or cheat engine. But it’s a skill gap, keep practicing.

Kode

Every good player will be pressured by a single good player. There is a rare exception for some builds that counter other builds, or getting lucky on a burst. I have had good players come at me and killed them quick with a lucky burst.


1vX is almost always good players vs inexperienced players.
Don't be fooled by people who farm inexperienced players; inexperienced players lack the experience to avoid the traps of farmers who literally lure them into their web where they have the advantage.

Also, don't be fooled by tanky characters who fight 10v1 and stay alive. They are invested heavily into defense and can't kill anyone but inexperienced players... who typically run out of resources then die to AoE and ulti dumps. Tankiness is often (not always) a crutch for bad players.

Builds aren't a magic formula. Pick a reputable build and learn to play it. Too many people think there is some secret code they need to break to be godly, they blame the build but never take responsibility to learn to be better. When you get better... you will know if your build is the problem and where to improve, you wont need someone to tell you.
You need to practice, learn your class, and build muscle memory...
Then you need to learn other classes, learn what to expect and how to counter it.
You will eventually start learning to anticipate combat and be ahead of your opponents...

jhharvest

Edit: I'm an idiot who posts in the wrong thread.

SouthernSoldjer

PvP takes practice and good timing in fights, along with having a decent build. If you don't know what your doing you should probably join a good PvP guild as said above.

Waffennacht

Mattoxx96 wrote: »

Yes I've got correct traits, sets, CP setup. Yes.

If I go for more damage mitigation I'm never going to be able to have enough damage output onto other players

Wrong. You won't be able to kill tanky players and they won't be able to kill you, which is OK.

You want enough mitigation to survive, then you seek out and kill glass cannon builds similar to what you're running now.

You see, the player you faced is running with mitigation, imagine if you had a permablocker with you, you guys wouldn't have died.

PvP isn't about killing everyone, it's about survival and killing squishy targets. Just leave builds you can't kill alone

FearlessOne_2014

LarsS wrote: »

Join a pvp guild and you will get help to learn how to play.

Don't join a PvP guild unless you want to learn how to zerg down 1vXers. I found every PvP guild I've joined in this game are nothing but shoddy zergling noobs who just stack number inorder mitigate more damage than their opponents to win. And when they go up against super skilled solo players they stand no chance. Then cry about how tryhard, or a nolifer that guy is rather than actually getting gud. So from my experience in the last 6 PvP guilds I've joined over tha last 2 years. Those are a bad place to actually learn how to 1vX or Small scale PvP.

The actual good guilds and group actually don't openly recruit. These should be the only ones you should be aiming to gain attention from. Tho just getting the attention of one is much much work and politicking. Than once you are in they more then likely have mandatory PvP and training nights. The price of success ah?

Realistically you may want to follow my following advice. Until you can meet the requirements and demands of the good groups and guilds.

My honest advice to you @Mattoxx96 is look at many of these, 1vXers and small zerg busting groups streams and or youtube videos. You more then likely gain way more knowledge here than you can from any "Stack bodies for the win" type guilds or groups. Also another thing as others have said prior is learning and evolving via the old fashion trial by fire.

With the upcoming full release of AOE caps. We will more then likely see the good players and guilds clearly apart from the can't be ask to learn to play we just stack more numbers to win type guilds and players.

Mattoxx96

Well I like killing people, so that's what I'm going to stick at.

Asardes

I found PvP rather easy TBH. I brought my stamina Warden in Cyrodiil this week-end and had a lot of fun. I got rekt the first few hours until I learned the build, and then the AP just piled up. I only spent 3-4 hours playing her and she's already at AR 7, AvA stills at 6. I rotated trough other 3 characters to get the end campaign rewards this week, since geodes drops will decrease next patch, and I want to do many re-traits now. All in all around 500K AP over 2 days, with 1/3 of that time spent actually PvE-ing in PvP areas as I cleared IC and Cyrodiil landmarks, delves, bosses, quests and skyshards on my new char. I usually play solo or PUG but I have no real trouble. If I die it's my fault or simply the misfortune of going against much bigger numbers. For example there's no counterplay if you are 3 people against a whole a zerg of EotS, sap essence and proximity detonation spammers just gap closing into you. But you respawn at camp or keep and your gear isn't even damaged at the end, so I really find no reason to get pissed about it. Also there are no achievements like Alessia Keep no death siege like in PvE so it's far less stressful.

Knootewoot

Asardes wrote: »

I found PvP rather easy TBH. I brought my stamina Warden in Cyrodiil this week-end and had a lot of fun. I got rekt the first few hours until I learned the build, and then the AP just piled up. I only spent 3-4 hours playing her and she's already at AR 7, AvA stills at 6. I rotated trough other 3 characters to get the end campaign rewards this week, since geodes drops will decrease next patch, and I want to do many re-traits now. All in all around 500K AP over 2 days, with 1/3 of that time spent actually PvE-ing in PvP areas as I cleared IC and Cyrodiil landmarks, delves, bosses, quests and skyshards on my new char. I usually play solo or PUG but I have no real trouble. If I die it's my fault or simply the misfortune of going against much bigger numbers. For example there's no counterplay if you are 3 people against a whole a zerg of EotS, sap essence and proximity detonation spammers just gap closing into you. But you respawn at camp or keep and your gear isn't even damaged at the end, so I really find no reason to get pissed about it. Also there are no achievements like Alessia Keep no death siege like in PvE so it's far less stressful.

Currently I am levelling my Warden (lvl 13). He is stamina based and is the Ranger I always wanted to play.

Which gear is good for Warden? I was leaning towards Heavy armor for him using S&B or 2-handed with bow backbar. Perhaps either Knightmare or Ravager (or both with jewels) and a sustain set with it perhaps.

Asardes

Knootewoot wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I found PvP rather easy TBH. I brought my stamina Warden in Cyrodiil this week-end and had a lot of fun. I got rekt the first few hours until I learned the build, and then the AP just piled up. I only spent 3-4 hours playing her and she's already at AR 7, AvA stills at 6. I rotated trough other 3 characters to get the end campaign rewards this week, since geodes drops will decrease next patch, and I want to do many re-traits now. All in all around 500K AP over 2 days, with 1/3 of that time spent actually PvE-ing in PvP areas as I cleared IC and Cyrodiil landmarks, delves, bosses, quests and skyshards on my new char. I usually play solo or PUG but I have no real trouble. If I die it's my fault or simply the misfortune of going against much bigger numbers. For example there's no counterplay if you are 3 people against a whole a zerg of EotS, sap essence and proximity detonation spammers just gap closing into you. But you respawn at camp or keep and your gear isn't even damaged at the end, so I really find no reason to get pissed about it. Also there are no achievements like Alessia Keep no death siege like in PvE so it's far less stressful.

Currently I am levelling my Warden (lvl 13). He is stamina based and is the Ranger I always wanted to play.

Which gear is good for Warden? I was leaning towards Heavy armor for him using S&B or 2-handed with bow backbar. Perhaps either Knightmare or Ravager (or both with jewels) and a sustain set with it perhaps.

I never played heavy armor in PvP, since I don't like it. I'm playing mine 2H/Bow. 5 Bone Pirate 5 Hunding's Rage 1 Molag Kena 1/5/1, all impenetrable, stamina enchants, Master's bow back bar. I have 40K maximum stamina, 1.5K stamina recovery (on no-CP), 47% critical and between 4.2K weapon damage. But this gear is generic, in fact I've borrowed it from my stamina DK. It works pretty well, but not for all instances of PvP. For something like IC and BGs I'd recommend something like 1H+S/2H, since you don't really need a bow in tight spaces and you can gap close enemies with invasion or critical rush. I think I'll make such a setup, and since I don't like farming more gear I'll simply get the Asylum 2H (still haven't had time to run vAS), and pair that on the front bar with Maelstrom 1H+S. The rest of the gear will stay the same: 5 Bone Pirate 5 Hunding's Rage.

Mattoxx96

I've recently just transferred my Mag dk back to stam dk and I'm actually really enjoying my build I've created. Doing a lot better on this char, maybe sometimes certain specs or classes just ain't for certain people no matter how you try. I know a lot of it is down to knowledge, experience and skill though.

Wrathmane

Mattoxx96 wrote: »

I'm 690 cp. Yes I've got top sets required for both specs, yet I get destroyed, been doing it for over 6 months now and I'm still dying way too easily.

I've been pvping for 4 years now........ as stated above, experience is key and situational awareness on the battlefield is also super important (which comes from experience).