Can you please consider not giveing males lipstick in their Crown Crates

elijafire

Those of us Males who do not want some of the offerings you force us to get in the crown crates. Including but not limited to Dresses, Lipstick and some hair styles.

Please make it so that Gender specific items are an optional check box or are redeemable for crowns.

Thank You,

Eli

Reverb

elijafire wrote: »

Those of us Males who do not want some of the offerings you force us to get in the crown crates. Including but not limited to Dresses, Lipstick and some hair styles.

Please make it so that Gender specific items are an optional check box or are redeemable for crowns.

Thank You,

Eli

There's no such thing as a gender specific item. Lipstick can go on any character you want it to. Even for those beholden to societal gender norms, some will be opening crates on a toon of one gender, and use the items on another. There should be no restrictions, random is random.

Like all other crate items,if you don't want to use something, don't.

Edit to add: I stand corrected, eyelashes are gender specific. They shouldn't be, but they are.

OlafdieWaldfee

Reverb wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

Those of us Males who do not want some of the offerings you force us to get in the crown crates. Including but not limited to Dresses, Lipstick and some hair styles.

Please make it so that Gender specific items are an optional check box or are redeemable for crowns.

Thank You,

Eli

There's no such thing as a gender specific item. Lipstick can go on any character you want it to. Even for those beholden to societal gender norms, some will be opening crates on a toon of one gender, and use the items on another. There should be no restrictions, random 's random.

Like all other crate items,if you don't want to use something, don't.

THIS. I'm only playing male toons, got a dress once that is since then rotting in my collection but I don't care.
I'd rather have a collection full of dresses, lipstick and highheels than letting some narrow-minded person tell me what's "gender appropriate". Or marking certain items as "gender specific" ... No thought-police, please. Freedom of choice is great.

elijafire

Reverb wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

Those of us Males who do not want some of the offerings you force us to get in the crown crates. Including but not limited to Dresses, Lipstick and some hair styles.

Please make it so that Gender specific items are an optional check box or are redeemable for crowns.

Thank You,

Eli

There's no such thing as a gender specific item. Lipstick can go on any character you want it to. Even for those beholden to societal gender norms, some will be opening crates on a toon of one gender, and use the items on another. There should be no restrictions, random is random.

Like all other crate items,if you don't want to use something, don't.

Edit to add: I stand corrected, eyelashes are gender specific. They shouldn't be, but they are.

Fanciful thought but Lipstick was specifically made for and worn by women to attract men, it has nothing to do with "societal gender norms" whatever that means.

I want an option to not be insulted by giving me " a male " and my male toons something meant for women. I'm not asking they take away anything from you so please stop being so bigoted and offensive.

Acrolas

Crates will never implement a "smart loot" system as that will be a viewed as a manipulation of a core mechanic. To maintain fairness, all items in a tier need to have the exact same chance of dropping regardless of the character the crate is opened on.

Danikat

Acrolas wrote: »

Crates will never implement a "smart loot" system as that will be a viewed as a manipulation of a core mechanic. To maintain fairness, all items in a tier need to have the exact same chance of dropping regardless of the character the crate is opened on.

This.

In simpler terms crates rely on most people getting stuff they don't really want the majority of the time. Whether that's something you don't consider appropriate for your character, or something you simply don't like. If there were ways to remove those items from the loot table you'd be changing the odds in your favour, making it more likely you'll get the things you do want. And that goes badly for ZOS because it means you spend less money on crates.

mikecrci

Can you please not consider crown crates at all?

Thanks.

newtinmpls

elijafire wrote: »

Fanciful thought but Lipstick was specifically made for and worn by women to attract men, it has nothing to do with "societal gender norms" whatever that means.
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Depends on what society you are citing.

Beardimus

elijafire wrote: »

Those of us Males who do not want some of the offerings you force us to get in the crown crates. Including but not limited to Dresses, Lipstick and some hair styles.

Please make it so that Gender specific items are an optional check box or are redeemable for crowns.

Thank You,

Eli

Oh dear. In this day and age this kinda thread won't end well.

Monty Python sketch in the Life of Brian sums it up....

Magdalina

Can you still get argonian/khajiit exclusive stuff on human characters from crown crates?

Also, beware. There're inevitably men coming to tell you they have full right to wear lipstick and you have no right to tell them otherwise

DocFrost72

Idk, I kinda like my male necromancer in the black lipstick and eyeshadow. In ESO, they do that.

As for

elijafire wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

Those of us Males who do not want some of the offerings you force us to get in the crown crates. Including but not limited to Dresses, Lipstick and some hair styles.

Please make it so that Gender specific items are an optional check box or are redeemable for crowns.

Thank You,

Eli

There's no such thing as a gender specific item. Lipstick can go on any character you want it to. Even for those beholden to societal gender norms, some will be opening crates on a toon of one gender, and use the items on another. There should be no restrictions, random is random.

Like all other crate items,if you don't want to use something, don't.

Edit to add: I stand corrected, eyelashes are gender specific. They shouldn't be, but they are.

I want an option to not be insulted by giving me " a male " and my male toons something meant for women. I'm not asking they take away anything from you so please stop being so bigoted and offensive.

Uhh...sorry you're insulted that men can wear lipstick I guess? If I say I'm insulted by anything less than an apex mount, should that mean that I get it? I'd hope we can all agree not.

Bigoted and offensive btw would be reserved to a modern Earth history view of a product when discussing a fantasy setting, where said product is not used in the same way. That's not even touching ancient civs (I don't know enough about Earth cosmetic history, but I do know for fact male presidents in the US going for office wear makeup and foundation to look more visually appealing. Want a specific one? JFK).

Sgtmeg

Aside from the fact that my exceptionally manly Orc is very fond of his dress collection, you're kind of forgetting a pretty big issue. Male players play female characters and female players play male characters. I don't think I've ever met a singe person who plays video games and has their entire character roster only one sex or the other. So how exactly are they going to implement this? You have to log into a female toon to loot lipsticks? Male players don't have access at all and their female characters will just have to go without? Umm...

Also as a brief history lesson, makeup's oldest (current) origins are in Egypt where both men and women wore it, which you'll find is very common in affluent societies in nearly every era.

Greevir

Hmm... My troll senses are tingling.

Sgtmeg

Greevir wrote: »

Hmm... My troll senses are tingling.

***, I'd skimmed over the "bigoted and offensive" comment. Now I just feel silly. Curse parodies and people being too similar...

SydneyGrey

A lot of people have both male and female characters, so they'd find a use for it.
But I agree that it would be great if we could delete stuff we hate from our collections folder, or even better, trade it for gems even if we don't already have it.

MythicEmperor

Yeah, I have little use for all the lipstick clogging up my collections. I have a -few- female characters, but the bright shades look far too tacky. The dark shades look far too emo. Unless you’re going for Katy Perry or a necromancer edge-lord, it’s best to avoid them.

Minyassa

Lipstick is only just for women in Judeo-Christian societies. It was invented and used by both men and women thousands of years prior to that. Tamriel is not Judeo-Christian so no need for the worry. If you're going to complain about them base it on how tacky they look.

Ankael07

You people are so eager to lecture others on ''gender roles'' you forgot to read what OP said;

Optional checkbox or redeemable for crowns

Morgul667

I would be happy if lipstick were not parts of crates lol, i have no use for them

Belegnole

M_Volsung wrote: »

RouDantes wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

Dear ESO, please cater to and protect my fragile masculinity. My manliness is threatened by the possibility of putting virtual lipstick on my video game doll... I mean character.

Thank You,

Eli

It's really gonna blow this guy's mind when he learns that high heels were originally only for men, makeup was originally for everyone, pink was originally a masculine boy's color and blue was considered a feminine girl's color, and for most of history, baby boys wore dresses until they could walk. Our current ideas of what men and woman are "supposed" to wear are barely 100 years old.

Also, fedoras were originally meant to be a woman's hat.

I'm afraid you don't know what your talking about. As to the rest, I haven't found a use for the lipstick on any of my toons.

Nerouyn

Reverb wrote: »

There's no such thing as a gender specific item. Lipstick can go on any character you want it to. Even for those beholden to societal gender norms, some will be opening crates on a toon of one gender, and use the items on another.

It's rude of you to attribute this to a personal failing on the part of the OP.

I have a roster of male characters. Only. Not a single female one. Dresses, lipstick etc. have absolutely no value to me and there's more than a few of them. I don't pay for crates but I got one of those fancy dresses from a freebie. It's completely wasted on me.

It being a freebie I can't complain but if I were paying for them I might feel otherwise. Yes crates are necessarily often going to give stuff you might not love, but items like these are a kick in the teeth - because you won the rng and got to dip into the good loot table, but gendered items like these are things which many players will definitely never use.

Just in case you're thinking about insulting me too, I'm gay. But I'm not into wearing dresses. I'm not bothered in the slightest by other guys wearing them. I enjoy watching RuPaul's Drag Race. It's hilarious and good natured. But wearing dresses is not for me and anyone who wants to try to make me feel bad about that is a nasty piece of work.

LadyAstrum

Oh here we go.

How about ZoS just sells make-up directly for crowns? I had to buy crates just so I could get enough gems to buy a lipstick. Borderline ridiculous in my view.

platonicidealgirlfriend

does this mean i can get a refund on all the beards my girls aren't even allowed to wear? otoh i'll settle for zos removing the gender restrictions on it

Radiance

I think a more appropriate solution would be to make all cash items interchangeable so that if a Male is wearing it, it is fitted to their body, and the same for females. Basically 2 different versions of the same outfit... although, some men want to wear dresses and should be able if they want to, so idk how that would work out... Girls have the same problem with male-designated armor being really bulky and the Female wardrobe being very skimpy... You know crates are unisex and have no way of choosing which prize you will get unless you use Gems... So either don't buy them or buy enough to get what you want... I have a sneaking suspicion they will eventually open Crate Showcases to selective purchase but that could just be a personal desire.

Ostacia

To me, the "ick" factor appeared when the OP said he was "insulted' by receiving "something meant for women." Insulted.

Orticia

Getting a lipstick you don't want to use is no different from me getting (and I did) that gimp mask (rebreather?) I won't ever use, because ick (in my opinion). We will both have an unwanted item rotting in our collection-tab. And appropriate or not is a personal, not general view, being insulted by it also very much so.. I for instance would not be insulted if I get a beard cosmetic and that's as gender specific as you can get, heck female characters can't even use it.

That said I am female and have female characters and I do not want the lipsticks either. So I am all for optional checkbox or redeemable for crowns/gems obviously. But not just for lipsticks but for whole categories of things I might not want... like tattoos as I can't show them off well anyway. Hmmmmm I can see why this will never happen.... the crown crates will get a way better drop rate of wanted items that way... don't think ZoS would be a fan of that.

Pwoo

I wish we could just turn collectibles we don't want into gems - At least 5 gems even if it's an ugly face tattoo worth 40 gems... that's the amount you get for duplicates anyway so it wouldn't harm the greedy crate economy too much.

JKorr

elijafire wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

Those of us Males who do not want some of the offerings you force us to get in the crown crates. Including but not limited to Dresses, Lipstick and some hair styles.

Please make it so that Gender specific items are an optional check box or are redeemable for crowns.

Thank You,

Eli

There's no such thing as a gender specific item. Lipstick can go on any character you want it to. Even for those beholden to societal gender norms, some will be opening crates on a toon of one gender, and use the items on another. There should be no restrictions, random is random.

Like all other crate items,if you don't want to use something, don't.

Edit to add: I stand corrected, eyelashes are gender specific. They shouldn't be, but they are.

Fanciful thought but Lipstick was specifically made for and worn by women to attract men, it has nothing to do with "societal gender norms" whatever that means.

I want an option to not be insulted by giving me " a male " and my male toons something meant for women. I'm not asking they take away anything from you so please stop being so bigoted and offensive.

I want an option to not be insulted by getting Argonian horns, jawblades, and argonian feather hair when I have no Argonian characters male or female.

I'm not asking they take anything away from your all male line-up that seems to be traumatized by acquiring "female" items, so no need to be offended. Even though dremora and daedra can appear however they wish, and don't really have a gender, so "Dremora's Kiss lip tint"of any color could be used by any human/mer/beastfolk, so whatever.

Besides the opinion I have that purchasing outright specific items a player might want to buy from the store is infinitely superior to ostensibly buying pointless potions/food/consumables and outfits that are instantly bound forever to your account for a chance at getting a super special mount or item, one of the largest objections I have to the crown crates is that you *do* end up getting items you don't want and wouldn't have purchased instantly bound to your account.

Consider giving in-game feedback, or an email to one of the @ZOS names about your issues with the crown crates. Although it would suck to get items you don't want and won't use stuck in your collectibles, it is an rng chance with the crown crates. I doubt they'll change the odds to favor any gender restricted item for players who don't use that species or gender in their
account.

By the way, if they do restrict items that way, there will be more complaint threads. People posted before about having their male characters able to use the dresses...

VaranisArano

Ankael07 wrote: »

You people are so eager to lecture others on ''gender roles'' you forgot to read what OP said;

Optional checkbox or redeemable for crowns

We ignored that because we all know ZOS is never going to do that. I'd like a optimal checkbox or redeemable for crowns option on non-combat pets I'm never going to use, but that's not how Crown Crates work. (Yes, I got a Bal Foyen nix-hound who's never leaving my Collections tab, the stupid creature.)

If you don't want a high chance of getting junk that you'll never ever use in your Crown Crate, you should try petitioning ZOS to sell this stuff directly in the Crown Store instead. That way you can safely ignore all the cosmetic options you don't like and still have access to everything else. The whole premise of Crown Crates is that you gamble and get a high percentage of useless stuff you'll never use and you're stuck with it unless you happen to get a duplicate.

FakeFox

I don't want lipstick on my female characters either...so if you ask me, just take it out of crowncrates completely.

Sidenote: It's hilarious how everything gets turned some stupid gender-role discussion nowadays.

LadyAstrum

Wintergreen wrote: »

To me, the "ick" factor appeared when the OP said he was "insulted' by receiving "something meant for women." Insulted.

I remember feeling insulted when my father bought me a tracksuit meant for boys, just because he'd wanted a boy and rather than a girl. Mainly because I'd received something that didn't match my "identity", and that, I suspect is how OP feels. He's receiving something he doesn't identify with. That's not a crime, unless we're truly now in thought-feeling crime territory.