do stamblades need a nerf? YES is the answer!

Amdar_Godkiller

Voxicity wrote: »

They are in need of buffs if anything

Compared to what class? They only classes that are even close to as unstoppable as stamblades are mag sorcs and templars.

Overall StamDK (Massive PVP buff) and Mag Warden (Moderate PVE buff) are really the only classes that desperately need buffing.

ssewallb14_ESO

OP is probably running around with 18k health, poor build, and no buffs. I've never been 1-shot by an Incap combo, on any class. Learn to play the game, stop trying to lower the skill ceiling to your level.

Defilted

No I think they are fine. I have played them and been ganked. If you are looking to counter a Stamblade it can be done.

Voxicity

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

They are in need of buffs if anything

"Stamblade PvP"

What does that have to do with anything?

DDuke

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

No nerfs but no buffs either for stamblades!

Shade being fixed is not a buff btw, lol

DDuke wrote: »

Huh.. I don't get one shot by them.

They sure try, then they get fossilized, whipped twice and I get AP.


If anything, stamblades need massive buffing when it comes to survivability.

This might help the multitude of potatoblades out there but would be bad when the top 5% utilize it

You can be the top 0,00001% for all I care, you won't live more than 20 seconds against a semi-decent player with undodgeable dmg and a gap closer.


Source: no survivors so far.


The only way you can live is by playing a heavy armor Troll King duel build, and that's just not something you use in open world for many reasons.

Well I'm not sure what "massive buffing" would entail, so I prefer to err on the side of caution.

And my money would always be on a top stamNB vs any merely decent player, whatever their class/build. Which is how it should work.

Making dodge roll actually useful as a form of defense vs certain classes would be a start.

Rework of cloak would be nice too, right now it's borderline useless vs templars/DKs (thanks to sweeps/volatile) & det pots, but really annoying when you don't have anything to counter it with.


As it stands, you can find any "top stamNB"you want in medium gear & that stamNB will be dead in less than 20 seconds with zero chance of ever bursting me down (on a light armor destro/resto mag DK with 20k health), because that's how the game is at the moment.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

YES

Voxicity wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

They are in need of buffs if anything

"Stamblade PvP"

What does that have to do with anything?

biased stamblade main playing easymode in pvp

crowfl56

WOW another cry baby that is getting pwnd in pvp.

LOL LOL L2P

I rarely get 1 shoted ever. It happens but rarely.

The peeps that can 1 hit ya in most cases are just darn good players.

Or just quit pvp until u learn how

Ratzkifal

Can you tell me what sets these stamblades are wearing? I wanna know just to make sure I won't accidentally use them ^^

Parrot1986

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

They are in need of buffs if anything

"Stamblade PvP"

What does that have to do with anything?

biased stamblade main playing easymode in pvp

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DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

YES

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Can you tell me what sets these stamblades are wearing? I wanna know just to make sure I won't accidentally use them ^^

2 selenes/trollking/bloodspawn 5 bone pirate/eternal hunt 3 agility masters bow asylum 2h is pretty nice

Rex-Umbra

No because every time people ask for a nerf to sramblades they nerf magblades instead.

WreckfulAbandon

DDuke wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

No nerfs but no buffs either for stamblades!

Shade being fixed is not a buff btw, lol

DDuke wrote: »

Huh.. I don't get one shot by them.

They sure try, then they get fossilized, whipped twice and I get AP.


If anything, stamblades need massive buffing when it comes to survivability.

This might help the multitude of potatoblades out there but would be bad when the top 5% utilize it

You can be the top 0,00001% for all I care, you won't live more than 20 seconds against a semi-decent player with undodgeable dmg and a gap closer.


Source: no survivors so far.


The only way you can live is by playing a heavy armor Troll King duel build, and that's just not something you use in open world for many reasons.

Well I'm not sure what "massive buffing" would entail, so I prefer to err on the side of caution.

And my money would always be on a top stamNB vs any merely decent player, whatever their class/build. Which is how it should work.

Making dodge roll actually useful as a form of defense vs certain classes would be a start.

Rework of cloak would be nice too, right now it's borderline useless vs templars/DKs (thanks to sweeps/volatile) & det pots, but really annoying when you don't have anything to counter it with.


As it stands, you can find any "top stamNB"you want in medium gear & that stamNB will be dead in less than 20 seconds with zero chance of ever bursting me down (on a light armor destro/resto mag DK with 20k health), because that's how the game is at the moment.

Medium armor really isn't as weak as a lot of ppl make it out to be. You can build tanky and bursty in medium these days pretty easily. A good stamblade with points in befoul can pressure anyone

I do agree about the undodgeable stuff, dodgerolling could increase mitigation from channels and/or undodgeables without breaking balance

Ratzkifal

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Can you tell me what sets these stamblades are wearing? I wanna know just to make sure I won't accidentally use them ^^

2 selenes/trollking/bloodspawn 5 bone pirate/eternal hunt 3 agility masters bow asylum 2h is pretty nice

Perfect, then I'll make sure not to get Bone pirate now. What are their skills apart from Incapacitating strikes?

ArchMikem

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

even after several nerfs to proc sets and to their ulti incap, they still KILL you before you can even cc break.

Yeah, and that was a tragic injustice.

GrigorijMalahevich

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

It's a little ridiculous. I've leveled each of the other 4 classes to max level and am currently at level 39 with my stamblade.


With Mag DK I've won probably 2 out of 3 duels I've been in, but they are almost always close. Templars are basically unbeatable with them for me, it feels.

With Stam Warden, I win slightly less than half of my duels; it's timing and positioning that make them tough to duel with. They do excel at destroying sorcs, however.

My mag sorc wins almost every duel I've done so far, but I've probably only been in 4 so far.

I've won 1 and lost 1 with my Magplar.

With my stamblade that is still sitting at level 39, I've won 7 out of 7 duels, and none lasted more than 30 seconds. Only 1 has lasted longer than 10. What's more, I don't have to put any thought into building for a duel with a NB because any combination of skills seems to do the trick. I don't even need to slot a real heal (rally/vigor) to maintain full health throughout the fight. And the last one I was in (vs a level 37 while at level 38) I'd even forgotten to eat any food. This was the one fight that lasted for more than 10 seconds and I was at roughly 13K health at the dolmen where I was challenged.

Where is the “lol” button when you need it.

These statistics of yours prove “a lot”.

P.S. if you think stamblade burst is too high now - you should check what was happening when viper was not a dot and could crit on same hit as velidreth...

P.P.S. #gitgud

getemshauna

Stamblade is no longer OP since Warden release :-)

SydneyGrey

NO.
If people like you had their way, there'd be no class that actually works and does any damage.

blkjag

Hope to see you on the battle field. Easy ap

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

YES

over 10 people voting yes cant be wrong...

AlienatedGoat

Right. That's why Miat's cheater addon basically negates stealth.

DDuke

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

No nerfs but no buffs either for stamblades!

Shade being fixed is not a buff btw, lol

DDuke wrote: »

Huh.. I don't get one shot by them.

They sure try, then they get fossilized, whipped twice and I get AP.


If anything, stamblades need massive buffing when it comes to survivability.

This might help the multitude of potatoblades out there but would be bad when the top 5% utilize it

You can be the top 0,00001% for all I care, you won't live more than 20 seconds against a semi-decent player with undodgeable dmg and a gap closer.


Source: no survivors so far.


The only way you can live is by playing a heavy armor Troll King duel build, and that's just not something you use in open world for many reasons.

Well I'm not sure what "massive buffing" would entail, so I prefer to err on the side of caution.

And my money would always be on a top stamNB vs any merely decent player, whatever their class/build. Which is how it should work.

Making dodge roll actually useful as a form of defense vs certain classes would be a start.

Rework of cloak would be nice too, right now it's borderline useless vs templars/DKs (thanks to sweeps/volatile) & det pots, but really annoying when you don't have anything to counter it with.


As it stands, you can find any "top stamNB"you want in medium gear & that stamNB will be dead in less than 20 seconds with zero chance of ever bursting me down (on a light armor destro/resto mag DK with 20k health), because that's how the game is at the moment.

Medium armor really isn't as weak as a lot of ppl make it out to be. You can build tanky and bursty in medium these days pretty easily. A good stamblade with points in befoul can pressure anyone

I do agree about the undodgeable stuff, dodgerolling could increase mitigation from channels and/or undodgeables without breaking balance

Sure, with Troll King etc.

That's when you get to live closer to 20 seconds vs a decent Mag DK/Magplar, otherwise you won't live past the first CC.

Amdar_Godkiller

Valera Progib wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

It's a little ridiculous. I've leveled each of the other 4 classes to max level and am currently at level 39 with my stamblade.


With Mag DK I've won probably 2 out of 3 duels I've been in, but they are almost always close. Templars are basically unbeatable with them for me, it feels.

With Stam Warden, I win slightly less than half of my duels; it's timing and positioning that make them tough to duel with. They do excel at destroying sorcs, however.

My mag sorc wins almost every duel I've done so far, but I've probably only been in 4 so far.

I've won 1 and lost 1 with my Magplar.

With my stamblade that is still sitting at level 39, I've won 7 out of 7 duels, and none lasted more than 30 seconds. Only 1 has lasted longer than 10. What's more, I don't have to put any thought into building for a duel with a NB because any combination of skills seems to do the trick. I don't even need to slot a real heal (rally/vigor) to maintain full health throughout the fight. And the last one I was in (vs a level 37 while at level 38) I'd even forgotten to eat any food. This was the one fight that lasted for more than 10 seconds and I was at roughly 13K health at the dolmen where I was challenged.

Where is the “lol” button when you need it.

These statistics of yours prove “a lot”.

P.S. if you think stamblade burst is too high now - you should check what was happening when viper was not a dot and could crit on same hit as velidreth...

P.P.S. #gitgud

Not sure I get what's funny. I'm merely describing my experiences since morrowind was released with the 5 characters I've leveled and dueled with since then. If it's that I haven't dueled much with some of them, well that's because 3 of them were leveled in the past 3 weeks. The warden is the one I play the most and I'm CP 492 with this account (it's my second ESO account because my girlfriend's 3 characters are on my first one, along with my Stam DK and my Stamsorc)

And I didn't say the burst was too high. I thing that aspect is overstated. The reason Stamblade is so OP is that if you build for healing done and healing received with CP, and you have enough mag recovery to utilize a few spells, you eliminate any weakness from the class. Put 75 CP in Quick recovery and 32 in Blessed, and tell me you feel squishy as a Stamblade. More likely you'll feel like a God. And then you can build the character around damage with your sets at no opportunity cost whatsoever.

Kram8ion

This makes me want to respec back to my stamblade I miss her

Mazbt

I think your problem is with the incap ulti not with stamblades. Incap is a bit insane.

CavalryPK

YES

Stamblades that are played by a competent player gives me anxiety. One mistake and I am dead. I am running full light armor build magblade.

DDuke

CavalryPK wrote: »

Stamblades that are played by a competent player gives me anxiety. One mistake and I am dead. I am running full light armor build magblade.

7x Impen, 20k health & proper CP allocation, you should be able to live just fine on magblade - it's pretty much identical to light armor DK at that point.

The only problem on magblade vs stamblade is that magblade has very few undodgeable abilities, so it's a bit more fair fight there.


Basicly on any class with undodgeable abilities, you survive the incap & you win vs rollerblades/gankblades if you know what you're doing.

Smmokkee

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

stamblades STILL oneshot everyone without any chance to fight back. AND if you somehow manage to survive their crazy and stupid burst combo and try to fight against them they can just run away with endless roll dodges and cloaks AND just try to one shot you again seconds later.

STOP THIS MADNESS

even after several nerfs to proc sets and to their ulti incap, they still KILL you before you can even cc break.

a 75 cost ulti, applying MAJOR DEFILE, increasing their damage for 20% and hitting for 16-18k with their crazy ulti generation?

INCAP ISNT A ULTI ANYMORE, ITS THE STAMBLADES SIXTH SKILL.

STOP THIS MADNESS.

U just suck

This community cracks me up. A few months ago the general consensus were nbs suck. What happened to change everyones mind in between then? More nerfs? More broken skills? Some youtuber probably.. idk.


Whoever says it has the highest burst is just wrong by the way. Such a joke. If you are that afraid of NBs you are just bad.

Hurika

If you get 1 shot, it's your fault for having a build that lets you get 1 shot. Most classes and builds are not 1 shot at this stage in the game unless survivability is grossly ignored or based on an active ability (like shields, armor buff, setting a heavy object on the block key, etc) and the players is not actively using it.

Kalante

As a stam NB myself i would have to say no.

ChildOfLight

YES

My post from another thread:

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Incapacitating strike - Suprise attack is a really effective combo. Full animation cancellable so you don't always clearly see it.

My suggestion is to block or dodge roll right after Ambush, since mostly stamNBs chain them (and visual effects do not help a lot)

Wait for him to fire everything on your block and then you have the upper hand to fight back.



My honest opinion is that Surprise attack and Incap should not be animation cancellable though.
Those skills do too much damage and add too heavy debuffs to let them also be full cancellable.
Take away something from them.