With the amount of tears about our "magical fairy all defeating I WIN with 1 button' cloak... this won't happen...
If cloak worked half as well as people seem to think it would actually be OP...
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Stamblades don't need any buffs.
Is it really that much of a buff to Stamblades if we allowed them to drop vampirism? It's more aesthetic than anything.
Do you play PVP?
Yes.
Perhaps you're hinting at vampires having increased fire damage received? Stamblades are pretty squishy to begin with.
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Stamblades don't need any buffs.
Is it really that much of a buff to Stamblades if we allowed them to drop vampirism? It's more aesthetic than anything.
Do you play PVP?
Yes.
Perhaps you're hinting at vampires having increased fire damage received? Stamblades are pretty squishy to begin with.
Not taking 20% extra dmg from the most common stamina ult in the game is a big buff.
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Stamblades don't need any buffs.
Is it really that much of a buff to Stamblades if we allowed them to drop vampirism? It's more aesthetic than anything.
Do you play PVP?
Yes.
Perhaps you're hinting at vampires having increased fire damage received? Stamblades are pretty squishy to begin with.
Not taking 20% extra dmg from the most common stamina ult in the game is a big buff.
We could easily change the narrative and say that currently Nightblades have to deal with this a big defensive nerf of taking 20% extra damage from the most common stamina ult in the game because their class depends so heavily on Vampire...
It appears that your argument is better suited for your opposition.
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Stamblades don't need any buffs.
Is it really that much of a buff to Stamblades if we allowed them to drop vampirism? It's more aesthetic than anything.
Do you play PVP?
Yes.
Perhaps you're hinting at vampires having increased fire damage received? Stamblades are pretty squishy to begin with.
Not taking 20% extra dmg from the most common stamina ult in the game is a big buff.
We could easily change the narrative and say that currently Nightblades have to deal with this a big defensive nerf of taking 20% extra damage from the most common stamina ult in the game because their class depends so heavily on Vampire...
It appears that your argument is better suited for your opposition.
Yes, exactly -- NBs do have to deal with this defensive drawback. As they should. The class is so exceptionally powerful offensively and defensively that they need to have the defensive drawbacks they currently do for the sake of balance.
I mean, I'm a solo magplar, so I know what it's like to feel forced into vampirism. But it's justified in the case of stamblades.
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »even with vampire passive it is still far too slow.
zenimax, please increase sneak speeds.
please also make it so we cant be pulled out of stealth.
if we go into stealth we should be able to stay in stealth.
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »even with vampire passive it is still far too slow.
zenimax, please increase sneak speeds.
please also make it so we cant be pulled out of stealth.
if we go into stealth we should be able to stay in stealth.
@Sarjako i think your definition of "seasoned/tenured stamblades" and mine are very different.
A new magblade wouldn't be wiping the floor with any of the guys I know.
Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »
This ^ ---> I'm SO tired of Vampires always being picked for OP reasons AND they get sneak speed buffs.
Please let normal humans have a decent chance at sneaking.
Ideas:
1. Make Night Silence 5 piece give another bonus like weapon damage (like the reduce detection radius 5 piece set or Shadow's Raiment).
2. Give it in a passive for Thieves Guild OR Dark Brotherhood for max rank.
3. OR Legerdemain so people don't complain it's "Pay to Win" (because Shadow Mount 50% NPC detection radius on mount isn't pay to win when you can escape pvp characters in Imperial City because you're on your horse going through NPCs and they aggro on your enemy instead of you hahaha /s)
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Stamblades don't need any buffs.
Is it really that much of a buff to Stamblades if we allowed them to drop vampirism? It's more aesthetic than anything.
Do you play PVP?
Yes.
Perhaps you're hinting at vampires having increased fire damage received? Stamblades are pretty squishy to begin with.
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Stamblades don't need any buffs.
Is it really that much of a buff to Stamblades if we allowed them to drop vampirism? It's more aesthetic than anything.
Do you play PVP?
Yes.
Perhaps you're hinting at vampires having increased fire damage received? Stamblades are pretty squishy to begin with.
They are really strong in cyro now, shouldn't make it easier for them than it already is. They already run a million miles per hour. You ever try to catch a medium armor stamblade who just popped a speed pot and shuffles off your ccs? They need some kinda of penalty for mobility like that.
Colecovision wrote: »I think a Khajiit NB in particular should have no stealth penalty. Or all Khajiit. It's a cat, that's what they do.
Colecovision wrote: »I think a Khajiit NB in particular should have no stealth penalty. Or all Khajiit. It's a cat, that's what they do.
Have you ever watched a cat when it is being sneaky? It moves very slowly and precisely.
The WHOLE point of sneaking is to move SLOW so you remain undetected.
I disagree with the OP completely. Vamps should be the only ones that can move fast while sneaking since that is an ability they have had throughout the history of vampires, no one else should. Just being a NB does not mean you are a stealth class as a lot of your abilities have nothing to do with stealth.
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Colecovision wrote: »I think a Khajiit NB in particular should have no stealth penalty. Or all Khajiit. It's a cat, that's what they do.
Have you ever watched a cat when it is being sneaky? It moves very slowly and precisely.
The WHOLE point of sneaking is to move SLOW so you remain undetected.
I disagree with the OP completely. Vamps should be the only ones that can move fast while sneaking since that is an ability they have had throughout the history of vampires, no one else should. Just being a NB does not mean you are a stealth class as a lot of your abilities have nothing to do with stealth.
You can disagree all you want, but that doesn't make you right. Read the in-game description of a Nightblade during character creation. The description specifically mentions that the class relies on "stealth, blades, and speed."
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Colecovision wrote: »I think a Khajiit NB in particular should have no stealth penalty. Or all Khajiit. It's a cat, that's what they do.
Have you ever watched a cat when it is being sneaky? It moves very slowly and precisely.
The WHOLE point of sneaking is to move SLOW so you remain undetected.
I disagree with the OP completely. Vamps should be the only ones that can move fast while sneaking since that is an ability they have had throughout the history of vampires, no one else should. Just being a NB does not mean you are a stealth class as a lot of your abilities have nothing to do with stealth.
You can disagree all you want, but that doesn't make you right. Read the in-game description of a Nightblade during character creation. The description specifically mentions that the class relies on "stealth, blades, and speed."
Which is fine, but saying it depends on stealth does not mean FAST stealth. No one should have faster stealth than anyone else. I think vamp should lose it as well but I can understand it more. Being stealthy IMHO means you move slow and undetected. You certainly should not be able to move at normal speed and remain undetected.
Isn't the reverse of this usually where people chime in a say 'deal with the consequences of the character choices you made' anytime someone mentions the vamp look?Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »You designed Nightblade with specific focuses on stealth/sneaking, but you penalize the class' sneak speed (same as every other class) unless the character becomes a vampire (for Dark Stalker passive) or uses up a 5 piece set bonus (Night's Silence or Shadow Dancer's Raiment).
It seems like an odd decision to penalize sneaking on the class that you designed for stealth! Might I suggest adding the "Ignore the Movement Speed penalty while in Crouch" coding into the current Nightblade passive Dark Veil? That, or a similar decision, seems logical.Because I know people will bring it up, yes, Concealed Weapon offers a separate movement bonus while stealthed or invisible, which is great for magicka Nightblades. It's not as useful for Stamina Nightblades, who have to give up a key skill in Surprise Attack to access Concealed Weapon.
This ^ ---> I'm SO tired of Vampires always being picked for OP reasons AND they get sneak speed buffs.
Please let normal humans have a decent chance at sneaking.
Ideas:
1. Make Night Silence 5 piece give another bonus like weapon damage (like the reduce detection radius 5 piece set or Shadow's Raiment).
2. Give it in a passive for Thieves Guild OR Dark Brotherhood for max rank.
3. OR Legerdemain so people don't complain it's "Pay to Win" (because Shadow Mount 50% NPC detection radius on mount isn't pay to win when you can escape pvp characters in Imperial City because you're on your horse going through NPCs and they aggro on your enemy instead of you hahaha /s)
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Edit: Updated on 5/28/18 to tag class reps that I could find.
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@Liofa
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