Magicka Nightblade PvP build for CWC

GoldenGraham

Hey just posted this clip last week about what I'm running been doing me pretty well check it out if you have time might be posting follow up pvp highlights to it this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7t6xwn70WE&t=18s

Vapirko

Don’t think I’ve seen anyone use CA on a magblade at least not recently. Must hit insanely hard with war maiden. Don’t want to think about the potential tooltips there. Mag regen is a touch low for my taste.

Subversus

Interesting build. I'm grinding out something similar, except for burning spellweave front instead of WM.

Datthaw

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Subversus

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Whenever I run destro/resto shieldblade with shackle/domi/necro(or war maiden if I feel like it) I run 2.6k mag regen and drain+syphoning.

Both war maiden and necro setups have 2 regen glyphs and 1 reduce cost. I realize I could drop the reduce cost for a spell dmg but to be frank I really cba to experiment, it works fine as it is now.

Lexxypwns

Subversus wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Whenever I run destro/resto shieldblade with shackle/domi/necro(or war maiden if I feel like it) I run 2.6k mag regen and drain+syphoning.

Both war maiden and necro setups have 2 regen glyphs and 1 reduce cost. I realize I could drop the reduce cost for a spell dmg but to be frank I really cba to experiment, it works fine as it is now.

That’s crazy high, imo. I run 1.8k or less regen open world and BGs with 0 reduce cost glyphs, no drain, and leeching...

Subversus

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Whenever I run destro/resto shieldblade with shackle/domi/necro(or war maiden if I feel like it) I run 2.6k mag regen and drain+syphoning.

Both war maiden and necro setups have 2 regen glyphs and 1 reduce cost. I realize I could drop the reduce cost for a spell dmg but to be frank I really cba to experiment, it works fine as it is now.

That’s crazy high, imo. I run 1.8k or less regen open world and BGs with 0 reduce cost glyphs, no drain, and leeching...

I know a magblade that runs 3k and he's considered by many the best magblade EU.

Then again, I run spell dmg mundus and 3 spell dmg glyphs on my heavy setup, but we're talking light now - far squishier and under pressure spamming shields is very expensive

Lexxypwns

Subversus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Whenever I run destro/resto shieldblade with shackle/domi/necro(or war maiden if I feel like it) I run 2.6k mag regen and drain+syphoning.

Both war maiden and necro setups have 2 regen glyphs and 1 reduce cost. I realize I could drop the reduce cost for a spell dmg but to be frank I really cba to experiment, it works fine as it is now.

That’s crazy high, imo. I run 1.8k or less regen open world and BGs with 0 reduce cost glyphs, no drain, and leeching...

I know a magblade that runs 3k and he's considered by many the best magblade EU.

Then again, I run spell dmg mundus and 3 spell dmg glyphs on my heavy setup, but we're talking light now - far squishier and under pressure spamming shields is very expensive

Yeah, that’s why I run defensive sets on light armor, time for heavies and HoTs like a heavy armor build and you stack the damage glyphs and mundus with the native pen and crit. Destro/resto mageblade is so strong you can run anything though

Subversus

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Whenever I run destro/resto shieldblade with shackle/domi/necro(or war maiden if I feel like it) I run 2.6k mag regen and drain+syphoning.

Both war maiden and necro setups have 2 regen glyphs and 1 reduce cost. I realize I could drop the reduce cost for a spell dmg but to be frank I really cba to experiment, it works fine as it is now.

That’s crazy high, imo. I run 1.8k or less regen open world and BGs with 0 reduce cost glyphs, no drain, and leeching...

I know a magblade that runs 3k and he's considered by many the best magblade EU.

Then again, I run spell dmg mundus and 3 spell dmg glyphs on my heavy setup, but we're talking light now - far squishier and under pressure spamming shields is very expensive

Yeah, that’s why I run defensive sets on light armor, time for heavies and HoTs like a heavy armor build and you stack the damage glyphs and mundus with the native pen and crit. Destro/resto mageblade is so strong you can run anything though

Yeah, with a more defensive approach I can understand not needing as much regen. To be completely fair, I'm pretty sure I'm oversustaining by a long mile for cyro/BGs. I even slot magelight or mark in those and ditch drain completely, and I could probably do with a dmg glyph or two, maybe even go dmg mundus...

Thing is that I make all my builds with a 1v1 base, which means that they have to beat the top players in their duel builds in order for me to play it. From my experience (playing on my platform), the one with the most sustain or most damage wins. I'll never be able to stack as much damage as a 5k wep dmg heavy stamblade spamming incaps every 15 seconds, so I gotta outsustain the enemy and drain their juices trough mechanics while not having to worry about mine.

I also strongly believe that heavy attack sustaining (especially in light where you're extra squishy) is not good in the long run. With this much regen my mag never drops dangerously low, which means that unless I *** up severly sustain will never be an issue. And to be fair, damage on magblade never was an issue to begin with hahaha

Datthaw

Subversus wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Whenever I run destro/resto shieldblade with shackle/domi/necro(or war maiden if I feel like it) I run 2.6k mag regen and drain+syphoning.

Both war maiden and necro setups have 2 regen glyphs and 1 reduce cost. I realize I could drop the reduce cost for a spell dmg but to be frank I really cba to experiment, it works fine as it is now.

I try to run around 1800-2000 regen with witch mothers and atron arch mundus I always run 3 damage glyphs. Mag I try to never be under 35k with necro shackle dom I'm at 40k mag, 18k hp (no cyro buff) and 15k stam. With 1900 magregen and just under 1k stam regen. I guess it's to each his own with apprentice vs atro mundus and sp vs regen glyph.

I also like to swap out for warmaiden in cyro alot of times, damage is a little higher and image is still bugged to hell, also I lose some mag, sustain, and shield strength. I really like shackle necro for duels because image still works out of cyro.

Datthaw

However that said, last week or two I have been running an oddball asylum ice staff build that has been a ton of fun

kaithuzar

I would really say 1900 is the absolute min mag regen needed. 2k is pretty avg. I was running 2.2-2.4k which was really nice however, I felt my time to kill was really long. In open world, you don't have an hour to go back & forth with 1 person hoping to run them out of resources & so I dropped some recovery for more damage & am 1900-2k depending on which bar.

Lexxypwns

Subversus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Whenever I run destro/resto shieldblade with shackle/domi/necro(or war maiden if I feel like it) I run 2.6k mag regen and drain+syphoning.

Both war maiden and necro setups have 2 regen glyphs and 1 reduce cost. I realize I could drop the reduce cost for a spell dmg but to be frank I really cba to experiment, it works fine as it is now.

That’s crazy high, imo. I run 1.8k or less regen open world and BGs with 0 reduce cost glyphs, no drain, and leeching...

I know a magblade that runs 3k and he's considered by many the best magblade EU.

Then again, I run spell dmg mundus and 3 spell dmg glyphs on my heavy setup, but we're talking light now - far squishier and under pressure spamming shields is very expensive

Yeah, that’s why I run defensive sets on light armor, time for heavies and HoTs like a heavy armor build and you stack the damage glyphs and mundus with the native pen and crit. Destro/resto mageblade is so strong you can run anything though

Yeah, with a more defensive approach I can understand not needing as much regen. To be completely fair, I'm pretty sure I'm oversustaining by a long mile for cyro/BGs. I even slot magelight or mark in those and ditch drain completely, and I could probably do with a dmg glyph or two, maybe even go dmg mundus...

Thing is that I make all my builds with a 1v1 base, which means that they have to beat the top players in their duel builds in order for me to play it. From my experience (playing on my platform), the one with the most sustain or most damage wins. I'll never be able to stack as much damage as a 5k wep dmg heavy stamblade spamming incaps every 15 seconds, so I gotta outsustain the enemy and drain their juices trough mechanics while not having to worry about mine.

I also strongly believe that heavy attack sustaining (especially in light where you're extra squishy) is not good in the long run. With this much regen my mag never drops dangerously low, which means that unless I *** up severly sustain will never be an issue. And to be fair, damage on magblade never was an issue to begin with hahaha

I think heavy attacking solely for sustain is a bad choice. I think heavy attacking because it can increase your spike damage(destro) or grant major mending(resto) and using those to your advantage while also benefiting from the added sustain is a smart play.

You’re right though, metas and the way we react to them differ and I don’t build specifically for dueling, preferring instead of build for small group synergy

GoldenGraham

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Siphoning plus Minor Magic steal buff from the elemental drain skill I promise you I have been sustaining so well. One thing I have learned though is you can put a ton in damage but nothing beats combos if you have a little trouble sustaining yourself go a little bit reduce cost and just focus on using combos such as flame clench into an ult plus merciless and then impale it works a lot I find opponents have a hard time fighting that off when my clever is popped.

GoldenGraham

Also Im Argonian now so that helps my sustain!

If you enjoyed drop a sub I want to start doing these kinds of things more often

Dillpat

Subversus wrote: »

Interesting build. I'm grinding out something similar, except for burning spellweave front instead of WM.

yer ive always considered war maiden for mag nb but idk what the uptime would be like from just flame reach

Datthaw

GoldenGraham wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Siphoning plus Minor Magic steal buff from the elemental drain skill I promise you I have been sustaining so well. One thing I have learned though is you can put a ton in damage but nothing beats combos if you have a little trouble sustaining yourself go a little bit reduce cost and just focus on using combos such as flame clench into an ult plus merciless and then impale it works a lot I find opponents have a hard time fighting that off when my clever is popped.

You're running mark instead of drain though. Now I understand how siphon and ele drain can help I run both on my ice staff build to help sustain. But with just siphon that's only like 100 or so mag a second if you keep the light attacks up. With elemental drain being 300 mag return then yeah you would be attacks round 2k regen while attacking. But in video you run mark over ele drain

rteezy

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

i think someone calculated that with shakle spinners will give u better stats and damage then WM.

rteezy

5 shakle 5 spinners 1 domi

42k mag 1900 regen 2400 sp unbuffed, more then enough sustain and damage for pvp imo

Azurya

nice, nice vid too!

Minno

I like it. Low sustain is offset by your ability to deal huge DMG and then move around (and with op Argonian passives).

I'm going to be running a similar magplar build except running trans for sustain/defense and a defensive 2pc monster helm since magplars are stuck in the dirt for mobilty/defense.

Kode

Good gameplay.
I have occasionally paired my alchemist with war maiden since I carry alchemist for bombing anyway... the results were better than expected. My sustain stayed decent enough to not get totally roasted after a burst. The extra health is nice too. I had spell damage up to 4400 at one point with some buffs.

This gameplay is a ton of fun, effective on many players but it will strugglesometimes on well played tanks... which is to be expected. Particularly tanky DK's, and sometimes Templars.

It will make short work of less geared/skilled players, probably 75% of Cyrodiil. A fair number of players make for good fights and a few will prove you ineffective with this build.

The other shortfall I noticed is in 1vX, while I am able to destroy in 1vX if I have room and LoS, getting piled on by anyone with skill is a quick death sentence if escape fails, there isnt enough defense built in to survive.

Subversus

Datthaw wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Whenever I run destro/resto shieldblade with shackle/domi/necro(or war maiden if I feel like it) I run 2.6k mag regen and drain+syphoning.

Both war maiden and necro setups have 2 regen glyphs and 1 reduce cost. I realize I could drop the reduce cost for a spell dmg but to be frank I really cba to experiment, it works fine as it is now.

I try to run around 1800-2000 regen with witch mothers and atron arch mundus I always run 3 damage glyphs. Mag I try to never be under 35k with necro shackle dom I'm at 40k mag, 18k hp (no cyro buff) and 15k stam. With 1900 magregen and just under 1k stam regen. I guess it's to each his own with apprentice vs atro mundus and sp vs regen glyph.

I also like to swap out for warmaiden in cyro alot of times, damage is a little higher and image is still bugged to hell, also I lose some mag, sustain, and shield strength. I really like shackle necro for duels because image still works out of cyro.

So do I actually, I often times find war maiden to be superior to necro open world where you need a tad more damage and a bit less shield size.

Dillpat wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Interesting build. I'm grinding out something similar, except for burning spellweave front instead of WM.

yer ive always considered war maiden for mag nb but idk what the uptime would be like from just flame reach

I believe you meant BSW instead of war maiden hahahaha, but yeah the uptime is like 60-70% iirc from what Derra told me (it's his build I wanna try out, he's the mNB I look up to hahaha).

Reach + fire enchant (gotta drop shock sadly) gives a pretty neat uptime, I think; could even go infused but I really believe nirn is better for heavy (light too but that might be preference) setups cause it boosts heals and heavy doesn't shieldstack.

GoldenGraham

Datthaw wrote: »

GoldenGraham wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Your mag and mag regen is so low, how do you sustain? I'm running 5 warmaiden 5 shackle 1 dom on my magblade for my inferno staff build. (Mainly running odd ice staff build now) and all of my tool tip damages are alot higher, along with more overall stat and regen My swallow soul tool tip is at 8400 unbuffed.

I guess my question was stated at the start how do you sustain when you're damage isn't overly high to keep people on the defensive.

Siphoning plus Minor Magic steal buff from the elemental drain skill I promise you I have been sustaining so well. One thing I have learned though is you can put a ton in damage but nothing beats combos if you have a little trouble sustaining yourself go a little bit reduce cost and just focus on using combos such as flame clench into an ult plus merciless and then impale it works a lot I find opponents have a hard time fighting that off when my clever is popped.

You're running mark instead of drain though. Now I understand how siphon and ele drain can help I run both on my ice staff build to help sustain. But with just siphon that's only like 100 or so mag a second if you keep the light attacks up. With elemental drain being 300 mag return then yeah you would be attacks round 2k regen while attacking. But in video you run mark over ele drain

Yeah I updated this I can make another vid to explain it but I thought I would just say it here on forums

Datthaw

rteezy wrote: »

5 shakle 5 spinners 1 domi

42k mag 1900 regen 2400 sp unbuffed, more then enough sustain and damage for pvp imo

I need tO try out my spinners again have close to a full set gathering dust in the bank

Mustard

If I run 5 shackle heavy is spinners or necro more dmg? Obviously I get against mag sorc shields necro is better.

zParallaxz

Now before you read this statement I hope you know this is all in the thought of constructive criticism.

Dude u need to rework your build your stats are very subpar, you said with nirn you would push 2.6 but looking at ur unbuffed spell damage it would only go to 2.3k. Never have I seen someone who theory crafted a build with all three stats being low unbuffed. This build for the looks of it would only kill people who don’t know how to heal and/or are scared of high health magbaldes. 2.1k spell damage, 31k mag, 1.6 recov FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TAKE OFF YOUR TRI GLYPHS

CavalryPK

GoldenGraham wrote: »

Hey just posted this clip last week about what I'm running been doing me pretty well check it out if you have time might be posting follow up pvp highlights to it this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7t6xwn70WE&t=18s

Would love to see few clips were you use skill rotation and proc merciless with alchemists.

kaithuzar

Actually my unbuffed spell damage is like 1700 but I've got 55% crit & am wearing scathing mage using crushing shock & sap, so fully buffed I'm over 3k which is pretty often.

I thought I read somewhere that stacking max mag for classes other than sorc isn't worth it past a certain amount?
Maybe that number was 44k or 46k?
Either way, I typically try to stay right at 40 but sometimes go just below.
Unless you are running heavy armor, I don't see the need for spinners on a light armor build. It's too easy to make up the spell penetration in other areas.

zParallaxz

kaithuzar wrote: »

Actually my unbuffed spell damage is like 1700 but I've got 55% crit & am wearing scathing mage using crushing shock & sap, so fully buffed I'm over 3k which is pretty often.

I thought I read somewhere that stacking max mag for classes other than sorc isn't worth it past a certain amount?
Maybe that number was 44k or 46k?
Either way, I typically try to stay right at 40 but sometimes go just below.
Unless you are running heavy armor, I don't see the need for spinners on a light armor build. It's too easy to make up the spell penetration in other areas.

I honestly want to know who told u that. The thing u want to go for is high resource pool, high spell/weapon damage, and high recovery. If ur at 40k max with 3k full buffed spell damage u need to rework your build.

kaithuzar

zParallaxz wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Actually my unbuffed spell damage is like 1700 but I've got 55% crit & am wearing scathing mage using crushing shock & sap, so fully buffed I'm over 3k which is pretty often.

I thought I read somewhere that stacking max mag for classes other than sorc isn't worth it past a certain amount?
Maybe that number was 44k or 46k?
Either way, I typically try to stay right at 40 but sometimes go just below.
Unless you are running heavy armor, I don't see the need for spinners on a light armor build. It's too easy to make up the spell penetration in other areas.

I honestly want to know who told u that. The thing u want to go for is high resource pool, high spell/weapon damage, and high recovery. If ur at 40k max with 3k full buffed spell damage u need to rework your build.

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