What do you think is the weakest class spec and why? (pvp POV)

Dillpat

what do u think is the weakest class and why? from solo, small scale and group view points. Ignore how classes may function in dueling.

Nightfall12

Im going to say Nag Nightblades are pretty strong with the insults always nagging you to death…Sorry couldn't resist. Though I should talk i'm the typo king

teiselaise

Nag Nightblade

Nag nag ***

CyrusArya

Stam Dragonknight

I think every class, if gamed right, can perform at a high level. These days balance is more centered around gear than classes, which is great and preferable to the alternative imo but that's another story.

What class does do however, whether magicka or stamina, is give each spec a unique identity. A character. A niche. A flavor. And in this way, you can naturally gravitate to the one that appeals to you and custom tailor your performance through gear to get desired results. These unique class specific qualities however cannot by replicated elsewhere by gear.

Why is stam dk the 'weakest'? Because it is a poor mans stam warden. They took the archtype of an incredibly rugged and durable class with a powerful 1-2 wombo combo and put it on steroids to give us the stam warden. Oh and it can also heal allies.

The only thing unique about stam dks, and incidentally what makes em good in pve, is the dots. But dots are only good on a build designed around em. And stamplar, stamblade, and stam sorc all run dot builds better. The first two can punctuate the dots with class spammables (Jabs/Surprise Attack) and non-ulti burst options (Power of the Light/Merciless Resolve/Killers Blade). And stam sorc has incredible utility with the overload bar, hurricane, dark deal, and implosion.

On any playstyle, be it a sword and board bruiser, 2h burster, or dual wield brawler- stam dk does nothing another class cant do better.

Didgerion

This is a Rock–paper–scissors game.

All classes and builds have weaknesses. As you mentioned - your are not interested in strong dueling builds, but soloing involves lots of 1v1 encounters. If your build will not be suitable for dueling then your scissors will get lots of rocks here and there.

Cheers!

IlCanis_LupuslI

Nag Nightblade

Dillpat wrote: »

what do u think is the weakest class and why? from solo, small scale and group view points. Ignore how classes may function in dueling.

Ww builds.... you have to sacrifice so much just to make it playable in a solo pvp environent :-(

altemriel

none

it all depends on build (gear, skills) and the actual skill of the player playing it

CatchMeTrolling

Not sure what you're trying to ask because they all function different depending on the setting ,one might be strong in group while it's mediocre solo.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Nag Nightblade

Solo - Magplar/Mag NB/Magden

Smallscale - none

Group - Stam nb/Stamplar/stamdk

ak_pvp

Depends. Solo i'd say Magplar or MagDK.

Group i'd say stamDK, they have no utility.

Duels none.

Overall I'd say stamDK. One trick pony missing a lot of functionality, really only usable solo because of sets. 7th/asylum/bloodspawn/wwhide. The only two class useful things are battle roar (hardly, but works with the build) and leap. Nothing else really class based is amazing.

kylewwefan

Stam Nightblade

He’s great for killing potato very quick. But if it takes more than a few seconds I get splattered or have to cloak away.

lao

Stam Warden

stam warden clearly

was that even a question?

Ragnarock41

Stam Dragonknight

lao wrote: »

stam warden clearly

was that even a question?

can you be even more ridicilous?

Qbiken

Werewolf........

lao

Stam Warden

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

lao wrote: »

stam warden clearly

was that even a question?

can you be even more ridicilous?

hi sheldon

got your back bruh

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sarcasm

Takes-No-Prisoner

Stam Nightblade

Stam in general is bad for group play. However, Stam Warden is the best stamina guy to use in group play, AND it's also good small scale / solo. Though IMO, the gear I would want to ideally bring to small scale/solo play would be different then what I would use in a 6-10+ man group. Same with skill for that matter- DBoS small/solo, and Permafrost/Trees 6 man or more.

If I had to cherry pick, StamNB and StamDK are close to worthless in groups larger then 4. I have played these toons, in large groups, it feels absolutely horrible to play in. I just feel like I'm leeching AP at that point.

West93

Mag Templar

In solo play 1vx magplar, no reliable stun, no mobility, average burst at best, no escape options, execute damage scaling not working, damage of sweeps gets nullified if running around trees/rocks. blazing spear stun back would help a lot, but not gonna happen I guess.

kylewwefan

Stam Nightblade

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Stam in general is bad for group play. However, Stam Warden is the best stamina guy to use in group play, AND it's also good small scale / solo. Though IMO, the gear I would want to ideally bring to small scale/solo play would be different then what I would use in a 6-10+ man group. Same with skill for that matter- DBoS small/solo, and Permafrost/Trees 6 man or more.

If I had to cherry pick, StamNB and StamDK are close to worthless in groups larger then 4. I have played these toons, in large groups, it feels absolutely horrible to play in. I just feel like I'm leeching AP at that point.

Yes. That was my same feelings in organized group. There’s not much added utility from a gankblade.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Stam Nightblade

kylewwefan wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Stam in general is bad for group play. However, Stam Warden is the best stamina guy to use in group play, AND it's also good small scale / solo. Though IMO, the gear I would want to ideally bring to small scale/solo play would be different then what I would use in a 6-10+ man group. Same with skill for that matter- DBoS small/solo, and Permafrost/Trees 6 man or more.

If I had to cherry pick, StamNB and StamDK are close to worthless in groups larger then 4. I have played these toons, in large groups, it feels absolutely horrible to play in. I just feel like I'm leeching AP at that point.

Yes. That was my same feelings in organized group. There’s not much added utility from a gankblade.

Should make a Warden then guy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) We can then hold hands and Permafrost together!

kaithuzar

Nag Nightblade

I have no clue who would be the strongest or weakest if every classes abilities worked properly!
That said...
Fix shade, fix assassin's will proc, fix light attack weaving, fix light/heavy attacks flat out missing tab targeted opponents.
/end rant

BroanBeast1215

Stam Templar

Stamplar

because I'm extremely bias

ToRelax

Outside of stam Warden, nothing strikes me as clearly on another power level than the rest. And stam Warden is too strong atm, which makes it a bit hollow as an argument to say stam DKs are bad because they're worse than stam Wardens.
From what I understand, ZOS is going to focus on global mechanics for their next balance changes, which is good I think as changing them together with classes at the same time might easily create a much worse situation than we have now.

DeadlyRecluse

I don't see extreme imbalances in this patch--the only class I don't see a compelling argument to run is stamDK. I'd rather play any other stam setup than DK at the moment, but they aren't noticeably weak or anything, I just don't really see a lot of scenarios where they are the best pick.

Thogard

Stam Dragonknight

Stam DK.

They have to go either full tank, which is useless, or just be a *** Stam toon. Forget the warden comparison, how about a stamblade in heavy armor? That class, played as a tanky DPS, can outperform the Stam DK easily.

Warden vs sDK is just ridiculous atm.

But fear not Stam DKs - I released a sDK build video that shows how to overcome all of the sDK weaknesses!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mUnLvk9MmWg

Glory

CyrusArya wrote: »

I think every class, if gamed right, can perform at a high level. These days balance is more centered around gear than classes, which is great and preferable to the alternative imo but that's another story.

What class does do however, whether magicka or stamina, is give each spec a unique identity. A character. A niche. A flavor. And in this way, you can naturally gravitate to the one that appeals to you and custom tailor your performance through gear to get desired results. These unique class specific qualities however cannot by replicated elsewhere by gear.

Why is stam dk the 'weakest'? Because it is a poor mans stam warden. They took the archtype of an incredibly rugged and durable class with a powerful 1-2 wombo combo and put it on steroids to give us the stam warden. Oh and it can also heal allies.

The only thing unique about stam dks, and incidentally what makes em good in pve, is the dots. But dots are only good on a build designed around em. And stamplar, stamblade, and stam sorc all run dot builds better. The first two can punctuate the dots with class spammables (Jabs/Surprise Attack) and non-ulti burst options (Power of the Light/Merciless Resolve/Killers Blade). And stam sorc has incredible utility with the overload bar, hurricane, dark deal, and implosion.

On any playstyle, be it a sword and board bruiser, 2h burster, or dual wield brawler- stam dk does nothing another class cant do better.

Just because one class does something better than another doesn't mean a class spec is bad. For example: having played mDK this patch for a long time, and stam DK for one night, it was amazing how much better stam DK is for solo/small group play.

Also, I have long felt that comparing anything to stamina warden is a terrible metric to use. Literally every spec in the game is a poor man's warden (except group specs, but the sDK vs. sWard comparison is always solo/small scale comparison)

Waffennacht

For BGs/Open World I'd have to vote for the less mobile classes.

Escape>fighting

For actual combat I'd say the weakest may be.... Mag Sorc imo. It's really really telegraphed, really easy to counter if your opponent has the tools.

DKs, NBs, Wardens and Templars all have better offensive capabilities imo.

So while I think open world sorc is one of the best (cuz I'm the ginger bread man!) It's fairly weak in full on battles

Minno

Mag Templar

Waffennacht wrote: »

For BGs/Open World I'd have to vote for the less mobile classes.

Escape>fighting

For actual combat I'd say the weakest may be.... Mag Sorc imo. It's really really telegraphed, really easy to counter if your opponent has the tools.

DKs, NBs, Wardens and Templars all have better offensive capabilities imo.

So while I think open world sorc is one of the best (cuz I'm the ginger bread man!) It's fairly weak in full on battles

I agree with this assessment. Mobilty can stalemate or win a Battle in some cases verses classes or builds that are stuck in the dirt.

Ragnarock41

Stam Dragonknight

lao wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

lao wrote: »

stam warden clearly

was that even a question?

can you be even more ridicilous?

hi sheldon

got your back bruh

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sarcasm

Because It is so easy to spot sarcasm when half of the forum think magicka nightblades and stam wardens need more buffs.
Pardon my inability to spot the difference between people being *** and people being sarcastic.
Both happens a lot in these forums.

Jjitsuboy98

Stam Dragonknight

I used to have a Stam dk that was pretty amazing although I ran sets that people hated. Tremorscale, reactive, and viper was the build. That was before nerfs. Combine that burst with claw, noxious, rally plus shuffle in heavy, vigor with old igneous, speed pots and it was beast. These days it's a little harder. Some certain sets can carry the class a little bit still.

ToRelax

Waffennacht wrote: »

For BGs/Open World I'd have to vote for the less mobile classes.

Escape>fighting

For actual combat I'd say the weakest may be.... Mag Sorc imo. It's really really telegraphed, really easy to counter if your opponent has the tools.

DKs, NBs, Wardens and Templars all have better offensive capabilities imo.

So while I think open world sorc is one of the best (cuz I'm the ginger bread man!) It's fairly weak in full on battles

I think specifically mag Templars don't have better dmg than Sorc unless you count in Dark Flare (which would then be as telegraphed and easier to counter than Sorc burst).
Warden burst and DK sustained dmg are held in check somewhat due to the necessity to be tanky enough in open world, so one could argue that similarly pets aren't used there.

That being said, I still agree mag Sorc is among the weaker classes in evenly matched encounters because of how squishy they become as soon as they are focused, but still competitive.

Waffennacht

ToRelax wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

For BGs/Open World I'd have to vote for the less mobile classes.

Escape>fighting

For actual combat I'd say the weakest may be.... Mag Sorc imo. It's really really telegraphed, really easy to counter if your opponent has the tools.

DKs, NBs, Wardens and Templars all have better offensive capabilities imo.

So while I think open world sorc is one of the best (cuz I'm the ginger bread man!) It's fairly weak in full on battles

I think specifically mag Templars don't have better dmg than Sorc unless you count in Dark Flare (which would then be as telegraphed and easier to counter than Sorc burst).
Warden burst and DK sustained dmg are held in check somewhat due to the necessity to be tanky enough in open world, so one could argue that similarly pets aren't used there.

That being said, I still agree mag Sorc is among the weaker classes in evenly matched encounters because of how squishy they become as soon as they are focused, but still competitive.

I would say temps have a more reliable form of offense than sorc.

Example: Purge pwns sorc, without Curse it's practically GG, reflect pwnz frag, that leaves nothing left to kill.

Dodge roll is still super effective against Sorc

Jabs can't be dodged and heals, similar burst with Light. Much better heals, along with Purge.

Sorc has a great Execute and Mobility, making it a great choice in BGs and that's about it.

I'd much rather take a Templar to a duel than a sorc