Random odd questions to Zos ?

WeylandLabs

Can a person/player peacefully protest (real world events) without violating any Z.O.S TOS ?

Smasherx74

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Can a person/player peacefully protest (real world events) without violating any Z.O.S TOS ?

Why would you want to protest new life festival?


Maybe you could get a bunch of people to mudball spam everyone.

WeylandLabs

@Smasherx74 lmfao 1,Awesome comment

Real world events that is factual in the game.

Hypothetically, if I was against grape jelly and I started a guild against grape jelly would that violate ZOS TOS.

But if one person on ESO or at ZOS loved grape jelly would i get in trouble ?

idk

If players found it offensive then it could be an issue. Grape jelly, probably not. However, I expect you are not bringing this up over something as benign as that.

At best it may end up being a required name change or forced closing of the guild to require you to reorganize under a more acceptable name. Not sure how they would handle that.

Character names, the often force name changes.

Judas Helviaryn

I'm inclined to believe that you would be playing with fire. Protests are an act towards the resolution of a legitimate problem, but hosting a protest on a medium that is predominantly geared towards people escaping the real world periodically isn't likely to contribute to that resolution.

ZOS would become a host for whichever ideological agenda you choose to push, by proxy, if they allowed it in any meaningful way.

No successful entertainment business wants that bogging down their revenue.

All in all, it would cause more grief than good for everyone involved.

WeylandLabs

So we have rights in the real world, just not in video games. All because any person at ZOS or any other gaming company wants to make more revenue ?

Is that why we cannot speak or educate about real world events in a guild or v-chat or t-chat ?

geonsocal

hmmmm, the nfl might be a good example on the mixing of business, in an entertainment format, and protest...

Elsonso

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Can a person/player peacefully protest (real world events) without violating any Z.O.S TOS ?

Send a private message to Jessica or Gina and ask. They will let you know.

redspecter23

I suspect it matter greatly what the topic is. If you have to ask, it's probably going to be an issue to someone. If it's politics or religion, it's best to keep it out of public chats as it just won't ever end well. Guild chat is up to the members of that guild. If everyone is ok with the topic and nobody reports it, then you can probably say whatever you want to guildmates or friends.

Waffennacht

I'm like... How does one protest on a game?

Is it just yelling in a microphone to no one specifically in chat?

At which point I think content doesn't matter as it would fall under spamming or something like that

Also, wtf, is the issue not important enough to go outside?

WeylandLabs

Before trying to figure out the issue, it wouldn't matter if it didn't voilate Z.O.S TOS. Obviously the T.O.S can be subject to change, but right now it doesn't violate it. The only thing i have broken down that could oddly violate it, would be a persons/players/ irrational view of the topic in any public matter. Or if somebody at ZOS got a report and agreed with the subject, making it a 1 person call to make a judgment call about it.

A_G_G_R_O

why. Play the game. Protest in real life. Is this all there is for somebody? My god.


Delete Kyne.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

@A_G_G_R_O you really have something against that set do you? why... is just a 30% movement slow every time you get hit with a bow...and bow users in cyrodill...gets rekt by any1 capable of properly wielding a sword.

Apache_Kid

How about you just don't be that person that brings politics or other real world issues into the game? ESO doesn't need real world problems it has enough of it's own issues to deal with.

CapnPhoton

I would think that a lot of people come to the game for one or all of the following: Fun, relaxation, to forget about real world issues for a while.

So no, not interested in hearing it in game. Surely there is enough opportunity in the real world to do that.

Ackwalan

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

So we have rights in the real world, just not in video games. All because any person at ZOS or any other gaming company wants to make more revenue ?

Is that why we cannot speak or educate about real world events in a guild or v-chat or t-chat ?

You have rights in the real world, companies have rights in the real world. While you are playing the game, you are "in" ZOS's home, so your rights get limited to their rules.

You can protest in your home, you can protest on public property. You can't go onto private property and protest. The game world is private property owned by ZOS. You (we) play by invitation, that invitation can be removed, if the house rules are broken.

ManwithBeard9

Ackwalan wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

So we have rights in the real world, just not in video games. All because any person at ZOS or any other gaming company wants to make more revenue ?

Is that why we cannot speak or educate about real world events in a guild or v-chat or t-chat ?

You have rights in the real world, companies have rights in the real world. While you are playing the game, you are "in" ZOS's home, so your rights get limited to their rules.

You can protest in your home, you can protest on public property. You can't go onto private property and protest. The game world is private property owned by ZOS. You (we) play by invitation, that invitation can be removed, if the house rules are broken.

This, a million times this.

WeylandLabs

So let me get this straight a lot of people that play ESO want to ingore real problems in the world why is that ?

If i am not violating any tos why do certain people feel this is harmful to them ? Its just factual real world knowledge that i and other people would be providing. Along with helping people ingame and discussing problems.

Hypothetically people can debate, ridicule and a argue over in game problems they see fit. But we/you or cannot stand for the addressing of real world problems ?

Is it me or is something wrong here, and im seeing a fear peoples lifestyles at risk not facing reality even in a game ?

Hippie4927

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Smasherx74 lmfao 1,Awesome comment

Real world events that is factual in the game.

Hypothetically, if I was against grape jelly and I started a guild against grape jelly would that violate ZOS TOS.

But if one person on ESO or at ZOS loved grape jelly would i get in trouble ?

Start your own guild. Invite people who are against grape jelly and people who are interested in learning about/discussing grape jelly. Setup a Discord channel and discuss away. Just don't give your guild a name that includes 'grape jelly', 'protesting' or anything that others might report. My friends and I discuss things on Discord that have nothing to do with the game. We just keep our discussions out of the games chat.

Minyassa

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

So let me get this straight a lot of people that play ESO want to ingore real problems in the world why is that ?

If i am not violating any tos why do certain people feel this is harmful to them ? Its just factual real world knowledge that i and other people would be providing. Along with helping people ingame and discussing problems.

Hypothetically people can debate, ridicule and a argue over in game problems they see fit. But we/you or cannot stand for the addressing of real world problems ?

Is it me or is something wrong here, and im seeing a fear peoples lifestyles at risk not facing reality even in a game ?

I don't ignore real life problems. I am very involved with activism both online and physically. But not while I am playing a game during my leisure time to relax. Activism is hard work. It can be incredibly stressful. It's confrontative, it's not at all peaceful even if it's not aggressive because whether the protestor is aggressive or not it stirs up those who are very aggressive, and causes pockets of high-stress, immersion-breaking real life mess in an environment that many use to take a rest break from that very thing.

It's just not a valid equivalent to think that choosing a time and place means a lack of involvement. Everyone urinates, too, but most of us choose not to do it at the dinner table. Accusing someone of never urinating because they refuse to do it at the dinner table wouldn't make sense either, do you see what I mean?

A_G_G_R_O

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@A_G_G_R_O you really have something against that set do you? why... is just a 30% movement slow every time you get hit with a bow...and bow users in cyrodill...gets rekt by any1 capable of properly wielding a sword.

Lol what? I just asked for kyne the campaign to be deleted. Idgaf about the sets and livelihood of bow players come on now... after all these dawnbreaker s you should know I’m not about that twig game.

ParaNostram

They aren't designing the space for revolutionary actions so like it likely would but *** it, you do you, deal with the consequences, stand for what you believe in

Appleblade

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

So let me get this straight a lot of people that play ESO want to ingore real problems in the world why is that ?

If i am not violating any tos why do certain people feel this is harmful to them ? Its just factual real world knowledge that i and other people would be providing. Along with helping people ingame and discussing problems.

Hypothetically people can debate, ridicule and a argue over in game problems they see fit. But we/you or cannot stand for the addressing of real world problems ?

Is it me or is something wrong here, and im seeing a fear peoples lifestyles at risk not facing reality even in a game ?

This. This is why. Because you’re already painting anyone who disagree as fearful and “not facing reality” or twisting their words into absolutes they didn’t express.

WeylandLabs

Any and all types of feedback is welcome, im just trying to get an understanding of this before i start a guild dedicated to the cause of ( Grape Jelly ).

I appreciate everybodys comments and thoughts on this matter even if you disagree thank you very much. As long as we can keep this constructive we are changing things.


Before i dive into intellectual positive individual debates about this topic. Help me and others understand why bringing factual informational awareness to any person/place on eso or entity in game is wrong regardless of the content provided If its sound judgment and fair.

Also im on console, so this wouldn't effect pc players as nobody on pc i feel would do this right now.

oXI_Viper_IXo

It all depends on how you go about it. Are you spamming in zone chat or whispering random people with your ideologies? That would be harassing. If you're talking within your guild or to people you know, then there's no problem.

What exactly are you confused about?

WeylandLabs

@F_16C_VIPER Great question.

Others and I will on abide by the TOS. If we look at any and all definitions of what we can and cannot do, any thing on the TOS within a reasonable persons view is not breaking the it.

We do not act or talk like children thus trolling chat spamming, whispering people or breaking any tos verbage.

And i never said i was confused, that is saying im unable to think cleary on this matter. I wish to perceive the intentions and meaning of why bringing factual informational awarness - is in some peoples views a bad thing ?

If its reasonable then i feel maybe a majority of people that play ESO might have unreasonable views thus breaking ZOS TOS ?

coop500

What is the REAL thing you wanna protest about? NN? Trump? LGBTQ+? Christmas?

Hippie4927

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

I wish to perceive the intentions and meaning of why bringing factual informational awarness - is in some peoples views a bad thing ?

Because one person's factual/reasonable information is another person's BS. And without knowing exactly what factual information you wish to impart on others, it is difficult to answer that question fully.

oXI_Viper_IXo

There's a guild on Xbox NA called "Tha GOP can BLO me." I think your grape jelly guild will be just fine.

Elsonso

coop500 wrote: »

What is the REAL thing you wanna protest about? NN? Trump? LGBTQ+? Christmas?

Supposedly it is something PC players would not care about, but I am curious, as well.

WeylandLabs

@Hippie4927 So im saying factual awareness reasoning with intent to respect others opinions and views. If others and my communication makes sound sence it is technically reasonable.

If another person views sees it as unreasonable and making no reasonable dispute without prejudice. In this case the TOS written by Zos and that is technically a legal document that every user has to abide by and bound.

Then the person or persons reporting the matter would be unreasonably wrong.