End of net neutrality will kill f2p/b2p

Samadhi

erlewine wrote: »

...and next time you promise to move to Canada, pls do it

Likely out of the question for most people -- Canada has pretty specific immigration rules
unless you are advocating people take the illegal route

Iccotak

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

There was no net neutrality before 2015 and the internet grew just fine.

This. You liberals have panic attacks anytime there is change you dont like.

Actually there were tamer forms of net neutrality and there are over a dozen issues before 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJDW_s93rc

Myyth

No worries!

ZoS will start charging $100 for limited time only mounts and people will pay as they always do. And they will release super duper exclusive houses for $200 and people will complain, but continue to buy as we have already seen.

So everything will be just fine!

Korah_Eaglecry

LegacyDM wrote: »

I'll keep this simple.

ISPs will now charge content providers (ZOS in this case) more money to offer current services to their customers. Content providers will pass on increased costs to the customer. However, since this game relies on crown store and paid chapter products and not subscriptions, ZOS has a problem. Crown prices are already as high as customers are willing to pay, and chapters are expensive as is, soooooo where will they get the money to stay profitable with increased operating costs?

Didn't think net neutrality repeal would affect you or online gaming? Think again. As long as the repeal to neutrality is here to stay I see a revival in subscription based gaming for the desktop computer gaming market.

Good luck ZOS.

Theyll likely also charge their customer for access as well. The ISPs would love nothing more than to cut up the internet into neat little packages that they can lop on the customer.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Glurin wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

I'll keep this simple.

Alrighty then. So will I.

LegacyDM wrote: »

ISPs will now charge content providers (ZOS in this case) more money to offer current services to their customers.

No, they won't. At least not because of "the end of net neutrality". Just not good business. They might do it to cover operating costs and such though.

LegacyDM wrote: »

Content providers will pass on increased costs to the customer.

Yeah. Always have, always will. They can't stay in business (ie. provide content) otherwise. Nobody could. Well, except the government, but even they get bitten in the ass by it eventually.

LegacyDM wrote: »

However, since this game relies on crown store and paid chapter products and not subscriptions, ZOS has a problem.

None that they didn't have before.

LegacyDM wrote: »

Crown prices are already as high as customers are willing to pay, and chapters are expensive as is, soooooo where will they get the money to stay profitable with increased operating costs?

By offering more and better content in exchange for a sum of money like everybody else in a capitalist society?

LegacyDM wrote: »

Didn't think net neutrality repeal would affect you or online gaming? Think again. As long as the repeal to neutrality is here to stay I see a revival in subscription based gaming for the desktop computer gaming market.

Subscription based gaming came about because of good economic times when lots of people had lots of disposable income. Likewise, F2P became a growing trend because of bad economic times when people no longer had much disposable income. It had nothing whatsoever to do with net neutrality.

Hate to break it to you, but net neutrality has a fatal flaw. The spirit of net neutrality is fine, but it can't be enforced without violating that spirit. Look at it this way. You're wanting to keep the internet free of corrupted influences by handing control over to what is hands down the most corrupt and selfish type of entity on the planet. (Fox guarding the hen house comes to mind.) It's just not going to work the way you want it to and it's a good thing to get repealed before any damage is done.

Finally someone that has actually researched what Net Neutrality truly is. Agree with you 100%. Net Neutrality is a very bad thing.

Tan9oSuccka

erlewine wrote: »

cracks me up to no end that people think this "save net neutrality" nonsense is some grassroots "for the people" movement to SAVE THE INTERNET.

Guys, its literally a corporate scheme designed and paid for by billionaire companies to troll you into doing their work for them.

turn off CNN, close reddit, understand government regulation ain't all its cracked up to be (for more info, see: all of recorded history), and next time you promise to move to Canada, pls do it

Is it really nonsense when a majority of Americans are against its repeal?

“Yeah! Ima gonna stick it to you Libs!!”

*Looks at internet bill* .....oops.

I can’t wait for the Breitbart crowd to eat crow on this.

ParaNostram

Iccotak wrote: »

Mephilis78 wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

I'll keep this simple.

ISPs will now charge content providers (ZOS in this case) more money to offer current services to their customers. Content providers will pass on increased costs to the customer. However, since this game relies on crown store and paid chapter products and not subscriptions, ZOS has a problem. Crown prices are already as high as customers are willing to pay, and chapters are expensive as is, soooooo where will they get the money to stay profitable with increased operating costs?

Didn't think net neutrality repeal would affect you or online gaming? Think again. As long as the repeal to neutrality is here to stay I see a revival in subscription based gaming for the desktop computer gaming market.

Good luck ZOS.

So repealing a regulation=forcing all ISPs to throttle.
Got it. CNN is my god, and MSNBC is my savior.

Quit smoking crack

it doesn't force them, they just have very incentive to do so. Why do you think they lobbied so heavily for the repeal?

Capitalism doesn't force anyone to exploit the workers or double dip from the consumer's pockets, it just offers incentive to do so.

Publius_Scipio

I don't know. The wild uproar and the sjw's flipping out (saying that the apocalypse is nigh and the Sun is about to go dark) before anything has happened is a bit much (as is the uproar in most cases like this). I say let's all see how it all pans out. Also, the federal government (USA) was in fact not created to put its thumb on all these matters such as this. But overtime it grew and grew, became bloated and started passing rules and regulations like free candy (only thing being that anything that the government does is not free, taxpayers pick up the bill). But I guess there are those that want government to police and play nanny to more and more things. I like to take everything on a case by case basis.

PS4_ZeColmeia

Happy about the end of net neutrality! woot woot.

mirta000b16_ESO

These 4 pages make me think that Americans think that any government regulation is the devil and corporatism is the way to go.

Cadbury

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't know. The wild uproar and the sjw's flipping out (saying that the apocalypse is nigh and the Sun is about to go dark) before anything has happened is a bit much (as is the uproar in most cases like this). I say let's all see how it all pans out. Also, the federal government (USA) was in fact not created to put its thumb on all these matters such as this. But overtime it grew and grew, became bloated and started passing rules and regulations like free candy (only thing being that anything that the government does is not free, taxpayers pick up the bill). But I guess there are those that want government to police and play nanny to more and more things. I like to take everything on a case by case basis.

@Publius_Scipio you are an island in a sea of madness. Kudos

Publius_Scipio

Cadbury wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't know. The wild uproar and the sjw's flipping out (saying that the apocalypse is nigh and the Sun is about to go dark) before anything has happened is a bit much (as is the uproar in most cases like this). I say let's all see how it all pans out. Also, the federal government (USA) was in fact not created to put its thumb on all these matters such as this. But overtime it grew and grew, became bloated and started passing rules and regulations like free candy (only thing being that anything that the government does is not free, taxpayers pick up the bill). But I guess there are those that want government to police and play nanny to more and more things. I like to take everything on a case by case basis.

@Publius_Scipio you are an island in a sea of madness. Kudos

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Korah_Eaglecry

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't know. The wild uproar and the sjw's flipping out (saying that the apocalypse is nigh and the Sun is about to go dark) before anything has happened is a bit much (as is the uproar in most cases like this). I say let's all see how it all pans out. Also, the federal government (USA) was in fact not created to put its thumb on all these matters such as this. But overtime it grew and grew, became bloated and started passing rules and regulations like free candy (only thing being that anything that the government does is not free, taxpayers pick up the bill). But I guess there are those that want government to police and play nanny to more and more things. I like to take everything on a case by case basis.

Its almost as if there was a period in our history here in the US where the Government didnt get involved and the end result was quite disasterous. And when they did get involved it was in reaction to what some might coin as small scale revolts.

Theres a reason things like child labor is illegal and employee rights exist. Its almost as if things had to get pretty bad before someone somewhere decided the Government needed to step in on behalf of its citizens...And honestly, what good is a government if it wont protect its people?

MercyKilling

Think of the end of net neutrality like this:

You walk into the local library to read some books. Maybe watch a video(because omigawd, they rent music and movies, too!) and the library staff says to you, "I'm sorry. That section of books is off limits to you, because you're not on the right plan."

You shrug, go walking somewhere else in this huge repository of knowledge and another librarian says, "Slow down. You're walking too fast." Sheesh.

You grab a book off the shelf. Holy, I haven't read this one in forever. I can't wait to settle into this one! Five minutes later, a librarian walks over to you, "I'm sorry. You're reading too fast. Slow down. Also, you're almost at your limit of words today. You'll have to stop soon or pay us 15.99 per word after you go over your limit."

See, all this did was hand the golden ticket over to the ISP companies to start carving up the services you used to receive lump sum. Want email? 4.99/month. Streaming video? 29.99/month. Oh, you want to stream OUT? That's another 14.99/month. You want WHAT speeds? 109.99/month. And there's no guarantee to the speed. Also, if you don't have the right carrier, you cannot visit certain sites. Imagine not being able to hit up YouTube anymore because your ISP isn't partnered with them. Or Netflix. Or Twitch. Oh, hey, you want to download that game? It's 90 GB? That'll take a week now, thank you.

The ONLY way to get net neutrality back will be to drop all internet service. Tell the companies this isn't going to make them a profit and to profit, put it back. Until that happens, the country needs to go dark. I can remember what it was like without internet, can you? Inconvenient, but doable.

Publius_Scipio

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't know. The wild uproar and the sjw's flipping out (saying that the apocalypse is nigh and the Sun is about to go dark) before anything has happened is a bit much (as is the uproar in most cases like this). I say let's all see how it all pans out. Also, the federal government (USA) was in fact not created to put its thumb on all these matters such as this. But overtime it grew and grew, became bloated and started passing rules and regulations like free candy (only thing being that anything that the government does is not free, taxpayers pick up the bill). But I guess there are those that want government to police and play nanny to more and more things. I like to take everything on a case by case basis.

Its almost as if there was a period in our history here in the US where the Government didnt get involved and the end result was quite disasterous. And when they did get involved it was in reaction to what some might coin as small scale revolts.

Theres a reason things like child labor is illegal and employee rights exist. Its almost as if things had to get pretty bad before someone somewhere decided the Government needed to step in on behalf of its citizens...And honestly, what good is a government if it wont protect its people?

You can't take a paint roller, run it across the paint pan of "protection" and then start rolling all the walls. Everything should be taken as a case by case basis. Government is extremely bloated, costing taxpayers more and more, and on top of that government doesn't watch their own wallet, they just run a deficit.

Tan9oSuccka

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't know. The wild uproar and the sjw's flipping out (saying that the apocalypse is nigh and the Sun is about to go dark) before anything has happened is a bit much (as is the uproar in most cases like this). I say let's all see how it all pans out. Also, the federal government (USA) was in fact not created to put its thumb on all these matters such as this. But overtime it grew and grew, became bloated and started passing rules and regulations like free candy (only thing being that anything that the government does is not free, taxpayers pick up the bill). But I guess there are those that want government to police and play nanny to more and more things. I like to take everything on a case by case basis.

Its almost as if there was a period in our history here in the US where the Government didnt get involved and the end result was quite disasterous. And when they did get involved it was in reaction to what some might coin as small scale revolts.

Theres a reason things like child labor is illegal and employee rights exist. Its almost as if things had to get pretty bad before someone somewhere decided the Government needed to step in on behalf of its citizens...And honestly, what good is a government if it wont protect its people?

You can't take a paint roller, run it across the paint pan of "protection" and then start rolling all the walls. Everything should be taken as a case by case basis. Government is extremely bloated, costing taxpayers more and more, and on top of that government doesn't watch their own wallet, they just run a deficit.

I’m not at all convinced this move was made to ease the burden of the poor American tax payer.

Many analysts, professors agree that things will go unchanged until the heat and spotlight is off this issue.

What you’ll see is a slow burn. Gradually easing into offering ala carte type offerings for certain services.

Cadbury

MercyKilling wrote: »

Think of the end of net neutrality like this:

You walk into the local library to read some books. Maybe watch a video(because omigawd, they rent music and movies, too!) and the library staff says to you, "I'm sorry. That section of books is off limits to you, because you're not on the right plan."

You shrug, go walking somewhere else in this huge repository of knowledge and another librarian says, "Slow down. You're walking too fast." Sheesh.

You grab a book off the shelf. Holy, I haven't read this one in forever. I can't wait to settle into this one! Five minutes later, a librarian walks over to you, "I'm sorry. You're reading too fast. Slow down. Also, you're almost at your limit of words today. You'll have to stop soon or pay us 15.99 per word after you go over your limit."

See, all this did was hand the golden ticket over to the ISP companies to start carving up the services you used to receive lump sum. Want email? 4.99/month. Streaming video? 29.99/month. Oh, you want to stream OUT? That's another 14.99/month. You want WHAT speeds? 109.99/month. And there's no guarantee to the speed. Also, if you don't have the right carrier, you cannot visit certain sites. Imagine not being able to hit up YouTube anymore because your ISP isn't partnered with them. Or Netflix. Or Twitch. Oh, hey, you want to download that game? It's 90 GB? That'll take a week now, thank you.

The ONLY way to get net neutrality back will be to drop all internet service. Tell the companies this isn't going to make them a profit and to profit, put it back. Until that happens, the country needs to go dark. I can remember what it was like without internet, can you? Inconvenient, but doable.

This is the best outcome
Spoiler for Escape From LA, fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHUqNCDwQj4

Publius_Scipio

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't know. The wild uproar and the sjw's flipping out (saying that the apocalypse is nigh and the Sun is about to go dark) before anything has happened is a bit much (as is the uproar in most cases like this). I say let's all see how it all pans out. Also, the federal government (USA) was in fact not created to put its thumb on all these matters such as this. But overtime it grew and grew, became bloated and started passing rules and regulations like free candy (only thing being that anything that the government does is not free, taxpayers pick up the bill). But I guess there are those that want government to police and play nanny to more and more things. I like to take everything on a case by case basis.

Its almost as if there was a period in our history here in the US where the Government didnt get involved and the end result was quite disasterous. And when they did get involved it was in reaction to what some might coin as small scale revolts.

Theres a reason things like child labor is illegal and employee rights exist. Its almost as if things had to get pretty bad before someone somewhere decided the Government needed to step in on behalf of its citizens...And honestly, what good is a government if it wont protect its people?

You can't take a paint roller, run it across the paint pan of "protection" and then start rolling all the walls. Everything should be taken as a case by case basis. Government is extremely bloated, costing taxpayers more and more, and on top of that government doesn't watch their own wallet, they just run a deficit.

I’m not at all convinced this move was made to ease the burden of the poor American tax payer.

Many analysts, professors agree that things will go unchanged until the heat and spotlight is off this issue.

What you’ll see is a slow burn. Gradually easing into offering ala carte type offerings for certain services.

I wouldn't just accept the "analysts and professors agree" argument without hesitation. Like yourself, the "analysts" and "professors" don't know what will actually happen until it does. The analysts and professors line is something all the news networks like to throw out there many a time to make it seem their stance and information is infallible. Which we all know is not the case.

Jade1986

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

These 4 pages make me think that Americans think that any government regulation is the devil and corporatism is the way to go.

That really is about it with some people there. They think they can trust a corporation more than the government, which is just downright hilarious.

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Those pesky facts.

FCC got a whole bunch of dead people (800 000 in fact) sign on their website in order to even proceed to take this issue to voting. How is it more trustworthy than wiki?

And who is leading them? That is why I posted that comment.

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