Viper is trash...but is it really?

Ragnarock41

Hollery wrote: »

On a stam DK it can work cuz more poison dot=more pressure but for general use it's pretty bad

Sadly does not work like it should on paper. Not saying Its garbage. Its just, not really that amazing on my taste of dot build

Koensol wrote: »

Morvane wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Sheer venom > Viper imo. Mostly because of the amazing 2, 3 and 4 pc bonusses. The dot pressure is actually quite nice when you proc it together with poison inject and double dot poison. Viper is about the same dmg output, but requires you to be in melee range. It's a matter of playstyle really.

Only reason I would run viper over sheer venom is because sheer venom is STILL BUGGED!! and pulls you out of cloak when you proc it on volatile armor at range.

not true. sherr Venom proc only on execute in 6 sec and viper from any ability from start every 4 sec

Sheer venom procs from poison injections dot ticks. I.e. very easy to use. Trust me I have used this set a lot.

Watched him melt people with sheer venom. I would trust koensol if he says its good.

Trashs1

Tigeracer wrote: »

Read my post, directly above yours.

sorry we where posting at the same time. thx for that

kylewwefan

Viper used to provide strong burst damage that has now been turned into Dot damage. It is trash now for burst builds that used it. Weapon damage is better now than Crit since impen and heavy armors remove so much Crit burst.

Toast_STS

Trashs1 wrote: »

lazerlaz wrote: »

Skoria, assassins guile, viper, dual axes, double dot poisons, rendering slashes, blade cloak.

You're welcome.

I main that build on one of my Nightblades and love it since day one of CWC.

Back bar 2h obvi.

dual axes suck because u refresh the existing bleed to often.

if u use this go rather axe mainhand and sword or dagger off hand

For PvE you are probably right, I wouldn't know.

But this is a PvP thread and if you can reproc the bleed on a target before it ticks then you probably didn't need bleeds to kill that target or they are a super tank DK and bleeds aren't going to kill them anyway. With dodge rolls and having good opponents forcing you on to the defensive/back bar the extra bleed chance from two axes is useful in PvP.

Koensol

Tigeracer wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Morvane wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Sheer venom > Viper imo. Mostly because of the amazing 2, 3 and 4 pc bonusses. The dot pressure is actually quite nice when you proc it together with poison inject and double dot poison. Viper is about the same dmg output, but requires you to be in melee range. It's a matter of playstyle really.

Only reason I would run viper over sheer venom is because sheer venom is STILL BUGGED!! and pulls you out of cloak when you proc it on volatile armor at range.

not true. sherr Venom proc only on execute in 6 sec and viper from any ability from start every 4 sec

Sheer venom procs from poison injections dot ticks. I.e. very easy to use. Trust me I have used this set a lot.

Just to clarify, sheer venom procs off the dot from poison injection, so if you use PI > bar swap, you won’t get the sheer venom proc. This is of course if you only have sheer venom on your bow bar.
You can however, bow bar another set and use sheer venom 2h or dw and do the same thing.

Sheer venom > viper for me too. But I don’t think viper is useless.

You are correct. If the first dot ticks when you are on your 'non sheer venom bar' it does not proc. But like you said you have 2 options. Having it on both bars, or on the melee bar. Whenever a poison injection dot ticks and sheer venom 5 piece is active at the time it does, it will proc.
@Trashs1

Thogard

Assassins guile with a double health poison would add more dps, albeit less frequently

VirtualElizabeth

Thanks for the discussion guys! Lots of good info for both PVP and PVE content.

Betsararie

Yup, it's trash.