Winter Garland Dapple Gray Mount

Cendrillion21

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Is it just me or are the back legs like.... really long?

It's not just you.

Ostacia

Depends on the angle, but I think there are horse breeds IRL that are leggy. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I think it's a gorgeous mount.

Katahdin

What's the crown price on it please?

Palidon

Since the the garland/bells are not toggable I will be saving 2500 crowns. Can't see buying this mount which will only fit in during the holiday season. ZOS should of thought of that and gave players the option to turn all the decorations off.

heaven13

Palidon wrote: »

Since the the garland/bells are not toggable I will be saving 2500 crowns. Can't see buying this mount which will only fit in during the holiday season. ZOS should of thought of that and gave players the option to turn all the decorations off.

But then how will they sell it to us again for a different season???

RANKK7

Wintergreen wrote: »

Oh my gosh, this is a pretty horse!

It is!
Thank you and the other users for posting the pics.

Still deciding. I would have liked to toggle the winter decorations for other seasons, it's very gorgeous though, very much tempting. I think I'll buy it in the end, can't resist horsey.

Katahdin wrote: »

What's the crown price on it please?

2.5K

LadyAstrum

I was pleasantly surprised by the 2500 crown price. Any higher and I doubt I would have purchased it. The front legs seem odd to me, but the horse is pretty.

StrawberryKitsune

I just bought it and I really loved the preview and art of this horse in the run up to it being released however I have run into a few things wrong with it since buying.

1) Those front legs are wonky they almost look as though they are trying to bend back on themselves.

2) When walking, trotting or running two of the straps on the back of the saddle look as though they are detaching and cutting into the grey of the body.

3) The run animation is weird, like the back legs look awesome and pretty gosh darn good compared to the chunkier model but those front legs look like playdough legs (and there is some real bad cutting in on the knees as they bend making the leg so so thin) and those front hooves don't look like they are fully coming into contact with the ground giving a weird "tiptoe effect".

4) The head is just a little too big for the neck and body and looks a little weird to me.

5) When running the tail gets some weird 45 degree angle just down from the base wish is a real unusual look compared to the relative fluid movement of the lower tail.

I dunno if it is just my unfortunate luck and I will be submitting a bug report but figured I should put my findings out there on the forums too. I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed and really the horse could have been super special with a bit more care and attention before release. A real shame for a mount that too me had so much potential and offered a change to the base horse model.

OutLaw_Nynx

Quick video showcasing the mount. I pulled out my Imperial Mount to see the difference too. This new mount just looks really sick

https://youtu.be/rXeSyqgqirM

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Ok, what in the *** is wrong with those front legs! Thanks for posting @OutLaw_Nynx. I won't be buying it now.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

StrawberryKitsune

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Quick video showcasing the mount. I pulled out my Imperial Mount to see the difference too. This new mount just looks really sick

https://youtu.be/rXeSyqgqirM

Thanks for posting the video, it clearly shows what I was trying to explain. So disappointing.

Verbal_Earthworm

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OutLaw_Nynx

No problem. I won’t be using this mount.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Foot Inverse Kinematics is turned on @OutLaw_Nynx I can see it in your vid @ 0:17

I usually keep mine turned off since it does goofy things to my toons/mounts feet. I suggest turning yours off.

OutLaw_Nynx

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Foot Inverse Kinematics is turned on @OutLaw_Nynx I can see it in your vid @ 0:17

I usually keep mine turned off since it does goofy things to my toons/mounts feet. I suggest turning yours off.

@Takes-No-Prisoner I honestly have no idea what that Is. I’ll turn it off though

rhapsodious

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Foot Inverse Kinematics is turned on OutLaw_Nynx I can see it in your vid @ 0:17

I usually keep mine turned off since it does goofy things to my toons/mounts feet. I suggest turning yours off.

Takes-No-Prisoner I honestly have no idea what that Is. I’ll turn it off though

When it works, it gives you more realism by making your feet more accurately stick to the terrain (non-ESO example). When it doesn't work, you get jelly legs.

That's unfortunate about the front legs. I haven't noticed anything weird with the Mindshriven Horse that I thought they based the model off of, but I don't play on that character often...

czar

ZOS know what a dapple is, but they apparently still have no clue what a horse looks like. Why are the hind legs S-shaped?? Just remake the whole horse model already instead of tweaking the horrible old one.

On a more positive note, it's definitely an upgrade from the old model. But it still looks bad lmao.

For those who don't like the Christmas decorations, I'm 100% sure we'll see this model on other horses in the future. Wait it out.

heaven13

Thank you so much for posting the video. Unfortunate for those that have purchased it and are not happy, but I feel grateful to those who've reviewed. The dapple is gorgeous, but the animations are NOT and there's definitely some weird shaping. The playdough jelly legs would really bother me and I can say with confidence now that I would rather save the 2500 crowns.

I'm hoping maybe it's some kind of broken animation and someone, like @ZOS_GinaBruno , can give us a better idea if it's working as intended and, if not, some kind of ETA on getting it fixed.

Palidon

The horses front legs are messed up.

RANKK7

I bought it and there are NOT bent legs.

As another user said that's most likely Foot Inverse Kinematic turned on (pretty much useless in this game, I have it tuned off in fact).
Really like the horsy.

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Foot Inverse Kinematics is turned on @OutLaw_Nynx I can see it in your vid @ 0:17

I usually keep mine turned off since it does goofy things to my toons/mounts feet. I suggest turning yours off.

This.

SydneyGrey

Palidon wrote: »

Since the the garland/bells are not toggable I will be saving 2500 crowns. Can't see buying this mount which will only fit in during the holiday season. ZOS should of thought of that and gave players the option to turn all the decorations off.

I think I'm going to pass on it, too. The horse is actually gorgeous, except for the usual deformed hind legs. But I'm not getting something that pricey that I'll only use four or five weeks out of the year.

RANKK7

RANKK7 wrote: »

I bought it and there are NOT bent legs.

As another user said that's most likely Foot Inverse Kinematic turned on (pretty much useless in this game, I have it tuned off in fact).
Really like the horsy.

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Foot Inverse Kinematics is turned on @OutLaw_Nynx I can see it in your vid @ 0:17

I usually keep mine turned off since it does goofy things to my toons/mounts feet. I suggest turning yours off.

Indeed legs are fine, pics.

If any see bent legs that must be Foot Inverse Kinematics turned on causing it as that user already said.

OutLaw_Nynx

While I’m happy we have figured out why it does this I think they should change it. Shouldn’t have to turn something off to prevent bendy straw legs

OutLaw_Nynx

When I get home I’ll make a video of it without that setting on.

rhapsodious

For the sake of transparency I tried the mindshriven horse and it has the same issue, so it is the same model. And the bulkier war horse has broken legs with IK on too. Stairs in Mournhold op pls nerf. So it's an issue not specific to this mount (although I guess it's more noticeable, since almost nobody gets regular horses anymore).

Radiance

Those ankle bells are cute although it forfeits the element of surprise with your jangling-ass Silver Eunuch-Horn. The QWEEN hath arrived. Bring back the Great Elk Mount, I don't want this Anorexic Snow horse...

jasales

I tested this.

Inverse Kinematics On = horse "jelly" legs
Inverse Kinematics Off = looks great!

VirtualElizabeth

Could there a bit difference with the legs when you are a PC vs Console?

Verbal_Earthworm

Although the skins and meshes of the horses are all different they use the same skeleton for animation.

The Dapple has a slimmer mesh than most horses and so has to stand oddly to fit the skeleton, creating the elongated S back legs, which is a different issue to the zigzaglegs caused by Kinetics being On.

Kinetics should be fixed for mounts or a second toggle applied so it only affects mounts and not the character also.

The "one skeleton fits all" dogmatism will never likely be fixed and will only help create more deformed conformation in future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equine_conformation

LadyAstrum

jasales wrote: »

I tested this.

Inverse Kinematics On = horse "jelly" legs
Inverse Kinematics Off = looks great!

Looks like I'll be turning mine off