Mag NB Ganking Set Ups

Moglijuana

I've been getting bored of my MDK and have ventured into the land of ganking in PvP. My stam NB has been completed with a few different gank setups and now it is time to set up the MNB.

So, here is the build I've been using recently:

Willpower, Elegant, 1pc Kena, 1pc Grothdar, Master Destro

It works pretty well but I am limited to targeting people with around 18-23k health. Is there any other set up that would net a bit more upfront damage? Should I be looking into spinners instead of willpower/master/grothdar?

GimpyPorcupine

Spinners is good. If you can put yourself in combat before attacking (Mark, Shadow Image) then Clever Alchemist will still give good burst. Stygian, even after the changes, can still be good if you play it right.

Soul Assault is crazy nasty for single target. I have a buddy who does a lot of 1vX with either that or meteor, and lots of CCs.

Old school Soul Tether/Sap Essence/Proxy Det/Vicious Death bombs seem to be making a comeback.

DW swords on your class skill bar. Back bar either flame staff or resto, depending on your style.

Vampire stage 4 with Dark Stalker so you can alternate between resources while you move.

I've thought about testing Nerien'eth since the recent change to shorten proc time, but haven't gotten around to it. Could work well with a Soul Tether bomb.

Moglijuana

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Spinners is good. If you can put yourself in combat before attacking (Mark, Shadow Image) then Clever Alchemist will still give good burst. Stygian, even after the changes, can still be good if you play it right.

Soul Assault is crazy nasty for single target. I have a buddy who does a lot of 1vX with either that or meteor, and lots of CCs.

Old school Soul Tether/Sap Essence/Proxy Det/Vicious Death bombs seem to be making a comeback.

DW swords on your class skill bar. Back bar either flame staff or resto, depending on your style.

Vampire stage 4 with Dark Stalker so you can alternate between resources while you move.

I've thought about testing Nerien'eth since the recent change to shorten proc time, but haven't gotten around to it. Could work well with a Soul Tether bomb.

Cool I guess I have to try out Spinners then. I'm trying to stay away from the clever/bombing route just want something for single target damage that hits hard right out of the gates. I enjoy killing people one by one before they have a chance to know what happened lol.

GimpyPorcupine

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Moglijuana

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

ironshoe7

What is the ideal bar setup for ganking/bombing? I'm having a hard time figuring out what is necessary, too many abilities I'd like to have and I'm unsure which I need to have. I'm currently running more of a long range/support style but want to try the gankers life.

I'm guessing front bar looks like:
Funnel health/Swallow soul
Concealed Weapon
Cloak
Lotus Fan
Mass Hysteria
Soul Assault/Soul Tether

Back bar
Siphoning attacks
Proxy Det
Refreshing Path
Sap
Harness
Incapciating Strike

Koolio

I used to run

Spinner (nerfed) Clever (nerfed) and Valkyn destro resto.

I now currently run
Mechanical Acuity Lich Valkyn

All divines with shadow works well but not as good as the above

Main purpose was to heavy destro reach into soul assault. Really only works against medium armor classes.

GimpyPorcupine

IMO, Gankers need 100% burst and no sustain, but everyone's different.

For soul tether bombing, swap Sap Essence and Mass Hysteria, so Sap is on your bomb bar and Hysteria is on your buff/getaway bar. Double bar Cloak so it's always handy. Replace Refreshing Path with Merciless Resolve. Replace Harness with Blur, longer duration. Replace Siphoning Attacks with Mark Target. Alternatively, use Shade instead of Blur as a getaway, when it's not broken.

Again, just ideas, everyone plays differently.

ironshoe7

@GimpyPorcupine Thanks for the tips.

rteezy

Moglijuana wrote: »

I've been getting bored of my MDK and have ventured into the land of ganking in PvP. My stam NB has been completed with a few different gank setups and now it is time to set up the MNB.

So, here is the build I've been using recently:

Willpower, Elegant, 1pc Kena, 1pc Grothdar, Master Destro

It works pretty well but I am limited to targeting people with around 18-23k health. Is there any other set up that would net a bit more upfront damage? Should I be looking into spinners instead of willpower/master/grothdar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4dzRy_468

Moglijuana

rteezy wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

I've been getting bored of my MDK and have ventured into the land of ganking in PvP. My stam NB has been completed with a few different gank setups and now it is time to set up the MNB.

So, here is the build I've been using recently:

Willpower, Elegant, 1pc Kena, 1pc Grothdar, Master Destro

It works pretty well but I am limited to targeting people with around 18-23k health. Is there any other set up that would net a bit more upfront damage? Should I be looking into spinners instead of willpower/master/grothdar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4dzRy_468

I like JackDaniel's build...but that is a more balanced approach to MNB. I'm going for as much dmg as possible within a second or two. Sustain is not what I am interested in.

Also, farming amberplasm is straight up one of the worst experiences I can think of in ESO.

Kode

Surprisingly decent info in here so far, so not too much too add.
Your playstyle should help you set your skills and decide your sets.

I'm not much for ganking, but I would probably go with clever alchemist and spinners, you could probably find a way to fit some other stuff on there too. Dual wield on the front bar and pick a monster set with a burst, run master staff and one piece monster set like Domihaus. War Maiden would probably be decent for ganking too since you would be going straight for the kill, depends on what skills you are using.

Subversus

Moglijuana wrote: »

rteezy wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

I've been getting bored of my MDK and have ventured into the land of ganking in PvP. My stam NB has been completed with a few different gank setups and now it is time to set up the MNB.

So, here is the build I've been using recently:

Willpower, Elegant, 1pc Kena, 1pc Grothdar, Master Destro

It works pretty well but I am limited to targeting people with around 18-23k health. Is there any other set up that would net a bit more upfront damage? Should I be looking into spinners instead of willpower/master/grothdar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4dzRy_468

I like JackDaniel's build...but that is a more balanced approach to MNB. I'm going for as much dmg as possible within a second or two. Sustain is not what I am interested in.

Also, farming amberplasm is straight up one of the worst experiences I can think of in ESO.

Yeah amberplasm farming is trash, I'm just waiting for the jews to come on the golden then I can just go and farm the first boss on normal for the belt/gloves...

Thogard

Subversus wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

rteezy wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

I've been getting bored of my MDK and have ventured into the land of ganking in PvP. My stam NB has been completed with a few different gank setups and now it is time to set up the MNB.

So, here is the build I've been using recently:

Willpower, Elegant, 1pc Kena, 1pc Grothdar, Master Destro

It works pretty well but I am limited to targeting people with around 18-23k health. Is there any other set up that would net a bit more upfront damage? Should I be looking into spinners instead of willpower/master/grothdar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4dzRy_468

I like JackDaniel's build...but that is a more balanced approach to MNB. I'm going for as much dmg as possible within a second or two. Sustain is not what I am interested in.

Also, farming amberplasm is straight up one of the worst experiences I can think of in ESO.

Yeah amberplasm farming is trash, I'm just waiting for the jews to come on the golden then I can just go and farm the first boss on normal for the belt/gloves...

Dat typo

Waffennacht

rteezy wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

I've been getting bored of my MDK and have ventured into the land of ganking in PvP. My stam NB has been completed with a few different gank setups and now it is time to set up the MNB.

So, here is the build I've been using recently:

Willpower, Elegant, 1pc Kena, 1pc Grothdar, Master Destro

It works pretty well but I am limited to targeting people with around 18-23k health. Is there any other set up that would net a bit more upfront damage? Should I be looking into spinners instead of willpower/master/grothdar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4dzRy_468

That's MUCH better art work. Oh he has improved!

Moglijuana

So spinners/elegant/kena has worked as well as I thought it would. Got a few hate messages last night for following the enemy zergs around while they were sieging lol. Most unaware people died to a simple H.A. + Concealed Weapon.

Metemsycosis

Kode wrote: »

Surprisingly decent info in here so far, so not too much too add.
Your playstyle should help you set your skills and decide your sets.

I'm not much for ganking, but I would probably go with clever alchemist and spinners, you could probably find a way to fit some other stuff on there too. Dual wield on the front bar and pick a monster set with a burst, run master staff and one piece monster set like Domihaus. War Maiden would probably be decent for ganking too since you would be going straight for the kill, depends on what skills you are using.

I actually think Jack's torugs build is right for ganking except elegant instead of Amberplasm. Spinners/alchemist just doesn't feel very strong this patch. But hit someone with an empowered heavy attack plus soul harvest - concealed weapon combo straight from stealth. Pretty stupid upfront damage.

QuebraRegra

Moglijuana wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

it goes a bit like this.... pop all the goodes and jump em... fail to burst them down because MAGBLADE, cloak and run away.

Dreth

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

it goes a bit like this.... pop all the goodes and jump em... fail to burst them down because MAGBLADE, cloak and run away.

Lol this is so depressing but only because its true. And you will be lucky if you can actually cloak and not get soul assaulted or some BS that brings you out of cloak and you sit there cc'ed while you die in less than 2 sec spamming healing ward. GG

kaithuzar

If I was going to straight gank, I would use war maiden duel swords with will power & maybe 1 kena & 1 maelstrom destro/masters fire staff

But personally I like having resto back bar & doing more of a 1vx which requires more sustain & survivability than that.

Moglijuana

Dreth wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

it goes a bit like this.... pop all the goodes and jump em... fail to burst them down because MAGBLADE, cloak and run away.

Lol this is so depressing but only because its true. And you will be lucky if you can actually cloak and not get soul assaulted or some BS that brings you out of cloak and you sit there cc'ed while you die in less than 2 sec spamming healing ward. GG

LOL. Yea that happened a few times...what seems to work best though is basically doing your out of stealth combo into a dodge roll and back into cloak...which now makes sense why he uses amber...but farming that is keeping me from even caring lol.

I'll keep trying this elegant/spinner combo for a bit and see if I can work out some kinks. Currently debating shock enchant over possible WD enchant.

Dreth

Moglijuana wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

it goes a bit like this.... pop all the goodes and jump em... fail to burst them down because MAGBLADE, cloak and run away.

Lol this is so depressing but only because its true. And you will be lucky if you can actually cloak and not get soul assaulted or some BS that brings you out of cloak and you sit there cc'ed while you die in less than 2 sec spamming healing ward. GG

LOL. Yea that happened a few times...what seems to work best though is basically doing your out of stealth combo into a dodge roll and back into cloak...which now makes sense why he uses amber...but farming that is keeping me from even caring lol.

I'll keep trying this elegant/spinner combo for a bit and see if I can work out some kinks. Currently debating shock enchant over possible WD enchant.

Magblade is just not set up for up front burst which makes ganking very difficult. After clever alch nerf I just stopped trying.

Moglijuana

Dreth wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

it goes a bit like this.... pop all the goodes and jump em... fail to burst them down because MAGBLADE, cloak and run away.

Lol this is so depressing but only because its true. And you will be lucky if you can actually cloak and not get soul assaulted or some BS that brings you out of cloak and you sit there cc'ed while you die in less than 2 sec spamming healing ward. GG

LOL. Yea that happened a few times...what seems to work best though is basically doing your out of stealth combo into a dodge roll and back into cloak...which now makes sense why he uses amber...but farming that is keeping me from even caring lol.

I'll keep trying this elegant/spinner combo for a bit and see if I can work out some kinks. Currently debating shock enchant over possible WD enchant.

Magblade is just not set up for up front burst which makes ganking very difficult. After clever alch nerf I just stopped trying.

I hope to prove that wrong =P. I have some time to play later today so I'll see what kind of trouble I can get into.

Dreth

Moglijuana wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

it goes a bit like this.... pop all the goodes and jump em... fail to burst them down because MAGBLADE, cloak and run away.

Lol this is so depressing but only because its true. And you will be lucky if you can actually cloak and not get soul assaulted or some BS that brings you out of cloak and you sit there cc'ed while you die in less than 2 sec spamming healing ward. GG

LOL. Yea that happened a few times...what seems to work best though is basically doing your out of stealth combo into a dodge roll and back into cloak...which now makes sense why he uses amber...but farming that is keeping me from even caring lol.

I'll keep trying this elegant/spinner combo for a bit and see if I can work out some kinks. Currently debating shock enchant over possible WD enchant.

Magblade is just not set up for up front burst which makes ganking very difficult. After clever alch nerf I just stopped trying.

I hope to prove that wrong =P. I have some time to play later today so I'll see what kind of trouble I can get into.

I hope so too. Not saying its not possible, just that they have a much harder time than other classes at the same job. I would LOVE to play my mNB at the same pace as my stamblade but its an uphill battle to be sure. Everything happens slower and I am not a patient person. Record and let us see the footage if you pull it off. It will be satisfying to watch.

QuebraRegra

Moglijuana wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

it goes a bit like this.... pop all the goodes and jump em... fail to burst them down because MAGBLADE, cloak and run away.

Lol this is so depressing but only because its true. And you will be lucky if you can actually cloak and not get soul assaulted or some BS that brings you out of cloak and you sit there cc'ed while you die in less than 2 sec spamming healing ward. GG

LOL. Yea that happened a few times...what seems to work best though is basically doing your out of stealth combo into a dodge roll and back into cloak...which now makes sense why he uses amber...but farming that is keeping me from even caring lol.

I'll keep trying this elegant/spinner combo for a bit and see if I can work out some kinks. Currently debating shock enchant over possible WD enchant.

if you can port to your shade you can sometimes escape... but yeah, cloak has been pretty much bork'd since launch.

Kode

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Just accept that you'll never have the burst of a Stamblade, and enjoy your mobility, and you'll have fun.

Exactly why I made one of each . Mobility on MNB is just too fun lol. Especially coming from MDK.

it goes a bit like this.... pop all the goodes and jump em... fail to burst them down because MAGBLADE, cloak and run away.

Lol this is so depressing but only because its true. And you will be lucky if you can actually cloak and not get soul assaulted or some BS that brings you out of cloak and you sit there cc'ed while you die in less than 2 sec spamming healing ward. GG

LOL. Yea that happened a few times...what seems to work best though is basically doing your out of stealth combo into a dodge roll and back into cloak...which now makes sense why he uses amber...but farming that is keeping me from even caring lol.

I'll keep trying this elegant/spinner combo for a bit and see if I can work out some kinks. Currently debating shock enchant over possible WD enchant.

if you can port to your shade you can sometimes escape... but yeah, cloak has been pretty much bork'd since launch.

Yeah, the shade bug is really frustrating. It is such a good skill but can't be relied on anymore. It fails more than it works, it is painful to pop it and... nothing, especially because it is most often used defensively, which means you need it to work!

I have had good luck with magblade. I don't have the same burst as my stamblade for sure, but I enjoy playing it. Honestly, a couple years ago I loved magblade but it was more for trolling, just didn't have enough kick to kill many people... so we are in better shape now than we once were.
Either way, my tooltip damage is high enough on magblade, but I don't rip off kills as easily. I end up in more drawn out battles. I have some ideas on changes but I haven't gone down that path, maybe this weekend.

Stratiss

Moglijuana wrote: »

rteezy wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

I've been getting bored of my MDK and have ventured into the land of ganking in PvP. My stam NB has been completed with a few different gank setups and now it is time to set up the MNB.

So, here is the build I've been using recently:

Willpower, Elegant, 1pc Kena, 1pc Grothdar, Master Destro

It works pretty well but I am limited to targeting people with around 18-23k health. Is there any other set up that would net a bit more upfront damage? Should I be looking into spinners instead of willpower/master/grothdar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4dzRy_468

I like JackDaniel's build...but that is a more balanced approach to MNB. I'm going for as much dmg as possible within a second or two. Sustain is not what I am interested in.

Also, farming amberplasm is straight up one of the worst experiences I can think of in ESO.

I've been playing around with this build, and instead am using wizards instead of amber but might switch to either bloodthorn (poor man's amber) or elegant (for that heavy attack gank), either way I'm really liking this build and have been putting up solid damage with torug's.

rteezy

Question for you guys..so Torugs with infused weps seems to give magblades ganking potential..now, i dont have amberplasm and i hate that place...i have war maiden,riposte, elegante and spinners...im thinking between maiden or elegante to be more agressive, what do you guys think will perform better?

Moglijuana

https://youtu.be/be5vyI4LwRw

First night out. Definitely a bit rusty but it's been a good learning experience. I'm in 7/7 impen atm because it's what I had in my bank...so I'll probably switch to divines once I'm not poor in game lol. I guess I'll just keep making more of these to see how I progress.

For now here's what I've learned:

1) Choose your target carefully (25k max HP seems to be my sweet spot...for now)
2) Fail the gank? GTFO
3) Lag WILL screw you
4) Shade is so useless it's not even funny
5) Have fun!

rteezy

Moglijuana wrote: »

https://youtu.be/be5vyI4LwRw

First night out. Definitely a bit rusty but it's been a good learning experience. I'm in 7/7 impen atm because it's what I had in my bank...so I'll probably switch to divines once I'm not poor in game lol. I guess I'll just keep making more of these to see how I progress.

For now here's what I've learned:

1) Choose your target carefully (25k max HP seems to be my sweet spot...for now)
2) Fail the gank? GTFO
3) Lag WILL screw you
4) Shade is so useless it's not even funny
5) Have fun!

nice vid!

ar eyou using Torugs with eleg/spinners?

what is ur burst combo?looked a bit diferente form jackdaniels one..u buff with light/cloak..then HA and swallow soul?

Moglijuana

rteezy wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

https://youtu.be/be5vyI4LwRw

First night out. Definitely a bit rusty but it's been a good learning experience. I'm in 7/7 impen atm because it's what I had in my bank...so I'll probably switch to divines once I'm not poor in game lol. I guess I'll just keep making more of these to see how I progress.

For now here's what I've learned:

1) Choose your target carefully (25k max HP seems to be my sweet spot...for now)
2) Fail the gank? GTFO
3) Lag WILL screw you
4) Shade is so useless it's not even funny
5) Have fun!

nice vid!

ar eyou using Torugs with eleg/spinners?

what is ur burst combo?looked a bit diferente form jackdaniels one..u buff with light/cloak..then HA and swallow soul?

Elegant/Spinners/1 Kena

The combo is Magelight->Cloak->H.A.->Concealed (if in melee range), Destructive Reach (if out of melee), then a follow up with either an Ulti/Light Attack/Concealed/Reach. I'm probably going to find a way to get lotus fan in there so I can use concealed most of the time as it hits the hardest.