Max Magic Sorc Necro/Destruction Mastery

kylewwefan

i tried raising the bar a little with the max magic builds throwing Necropotence and Destruction Mastery together.

As many already very well know, this setup sucks for whatever reason.

With inner light, bound aegis and pet permanently on both bars, there’s just not enough skills to do enough damage I think.

I changed to the mage mundus for more magic. Doesn’t matter. It just sucks.

I ended up with 58.6K magic pool and 2500 spell damage. that gave me 26k hardened ward and scamp would pulse for 5.4k tooltips. Maybe changing CP around for more penetration and staff expert or Master at arms I dont know? I could barely hit 17k on the dummy?

I’m not a DPS expert, but with Necro/Illambris/Infal I can hit 25k without even trying hard and 30K with Eledrain and a decently executed rotation.

dpencil1

Highest max magicka I have made on ESO Build Editor has been 63.7k magicka: http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27974

Yeah max magicka plays double duty as both resource management and a damage increaser, so is not as potent as things that only have one job. It pays to balance max magicka with crit, penetration, and spell damage.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

I run destruction mastery and have 52k magic, 2.1k spell damage, 45% crit and around 7k. What do your bars look like.

My bars don't have bound armor, I use power surge on my back bar and frags on my front bar, more for the extra 3% crit then anything.




Also these kinds of build are kinda gimped right now because your food buff, your mage mundas and both necro and destruction mastery do not get the extra 20% from cp. That is around 3k max magic missing from that.

They are also gimped by heavy attacks being so necessary for good DPS and we all know that mag is not as good for that as spell damage.

pteam

My thought process was that single target attack’s like frags and force pulse get 100% of the extra damage from the lightning staff would still get like 25%-50% of the bonus damage from when you actually are on that bar.

It would be cool if 2 lightning staffs did equal the same damage cause I don’t really care for inferno staffs

Have u ever tested it? My rotations aren’t consistent enough to test something like that the variable would be more me than anything

Waffennacht

Destruction mastery vs Julianos (as example)

Destruction mastery 1096 mag, 833 spell crit, 140 spell DMG, 2500 mag

Julianos: 833 crit, 833 crit, 140 spell DMG, 299 spell DMG

DM= 490 raw DMG 833 crit

Julianos = 439 raw DMG and x2 833 crit

So most sets just provide flat out more damage

GrigorijMalahevich

I tried destro mastery for PvP, it was ok, but necro is just a lot better with shadowrend or with pet. That spell crit is only useful in PvE, but in PvE there are much better sets... Change that spell crit for extra magicka and we have a winner.

I don’t understand the concept between max stat bonuses from destro mastery and necro vs hulking

Waffennacht

Valera Progib wrote: »

I tried destro mastery for PvP, it was ok, but necro is just a lot better with shadowrend or with pet. That spell crit is only useful in PvE, but in PvE there are much better sets... Change that spell crit for extra magicka and we have a winner.

I don’t understand the concept between max stat bonuses from destro mastery and necro vs hulking

It is an older set when the only pets were the really bad Maw and Sorc pets. Back then it provided non Sorcs a set for max magicka.

teladoy

I was thinking in combine Necro with Descruction Mastery and mundus the mage with all divines... how do you see it?

Liofa

Nvm this is a old thread that got necroed lul.

nesmewno

The largest pool will come from 5Necro+3Ancient grace+2Willpower and any monster set with mag stats(domi+Ilambris)
64850 Magicka with four skills GM on bar ><

Bobby_V_Rockit

61779 Magicka on my necro/dm pet sorc

kylewwefan

I tried this out quite some time ago, it is Necro.

Maybe it works better now? I’m still pretty bad on mag toons, but now with staves count for 2, maybe it could bring new life to old builds.

Heavy attack builds did kind of get the nerf hammer so, idk?

I do have Maelstrom staffs and destruction mastery staff now. Maybe with some CP tweaking it could be good?

Everyone’s going nuts for mother sorrow and sioriatic whatever. I already know that’s not gonna fit my crappy play style. Might re-visit this.

swirve

Isnt this a max magic cap issue?

Waffennacht

swirve wrote: »

Isnt this a max magic cap issue?

There is no such thing as a max mag cap, or caps at all really, anymore. (I suppose resistance is kinda capped)

firedrgn

nesmewno wrote: »

The largest pool will come from 5Necro+3Ancient grace+2Willpower and any monster set with mag stats(domi+Ilambris)
64850 Magicka with four skills GM on bar ><

64k hmmm? im at 62 and thought i qas rockin it. I guess i need to bring my a game.

firedrgn

You dont need bound ageis and inner lght on both bara.
You want your aoe on and buffs on back bar. Lay them down then switch.

You can almost just heavy atrack and get 17k with pets.
You need

firedrgn

You can get 64k with necro so with out and another set that gives 2k instead you can get 60k no problem without it ....that would be my guess

firedrgn

I am at 62 k so i could hit 58 k just by swaping necro with skmwthing else that gives 2k magika.

firedrgn

Oh how to do it ,i almost for got about that.
1. Mage mundas
2. Divines.
3. Undaunted
4. Bound agies.
5. Inner light
6. Ancient grace
7. Will power
8. Armor set with 4 k magika. Destruction mastery ..If not using necro.
9. Two half Monsters sets with set 1 bonus as max magica.
10. Infused on large armor pieces. i think gives a little more . Have not tested that.
11. Max blue food
Maybe there is something else if i think of it i will add

Bobby_V_Rockit

firedrgn wrote: »

Oh how to do it ,i almost for got about that.
1. Mage mundas
2. Divines.
3. Undaunted
4. Bound agies.
5. Inner light
6. Ancient grace
7. Will power
8. Armor set with 4 k magika. Destruction mastery ..If not using necro.
9. Two half Monsters sets with set 1 bonus as max magica.
10. Infused on large armor pieces. i think gives a little more . Have not tested that.
11. Max blue food
Maybe there is something else if i think of it i will add

Shooting star

firedrgn

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

Oh how to do it ,i almost for got about that.
1. Mage mundas
2. Divines.
3. Undaunted
4. Bound agies.
5. Inner light
6. Ancient grace
7. Will power
8. Armor set with 4 k magika. Destruction mastery ..If not using necro.
9. Two half Monsters sets with set 1 bonus as max magica.
10. Infused on large armor pieces. i think gives a little more . Have not tested that.
11. Max blue food
Maybe there is something else if i think of it i will add

Shooting star

Hmmm right the mage guild slots give 2% each i forgot about that .

swirve

Waffennacht wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

Isnt this a max magic cap issue?

There is no such thing as a max mag cap, or caps at all really, anymore. (I suppose resistance is kinda capped)

Thats what I thought, though I do play Sorc often to have that problem, but it was mentioned recently that after 52k mag you hit a cap as such that significantly limits the benefit of increasing your magica at least for DPS.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

swirve wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

Isnt this a max magic cap issue?

There is no such thing as a max mag cap, or caps at all really, anymore. (I suppose resistance is kinda capped)

Thats what I thought, though I do play Sorc often to have that problem, but it was mentioned recently that after 52k mag you hit a cap as such that significantly limits the benefit of increasing your magica at least for DPS.

But the word "cap" means something in this game. And that something is not what you mean when you say it in that sentence. What you are talking about is something like diminishing returns. Though that is not even a good description of what you are saying.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I’m stuck between two or three options now. IS running a pet sorc a substantial DPS increase over not running a pet sorc? Is necropotence+destruction mastery better than necropotence+infallible aether, considering heavy attack damage boost and slayer bonus? Is a non-pet mag sorc running destruction-mastery+infallible aether a viable option or is it a terrible idea?

kylewwefan

Well Bobby...idk. I saw some dude rocking Necro and spinners doing really good. Like 46k good. I had been using Necro IA Illambris. Easy to hit close to 30k. Tough to get much over that. And probably maxes out at 38k anyways.

I really don’t play magic toons very often and have very little patience for practicing dummy rotations.

Now everyone’s going nuts for mother sorrow. I’ve no idea if it’s really any good or not. Or lives up to the hype.

Necro seems to be the staple set for Sorc that I’ve seen. Using iA because gold jewelry and that’s about it. There’s apparently better options.

Tannus15

There are more options than you can shake a stick at atm.

here is mine on a 3 mil with Lich, Acuity, zaan

here is a friends parse on a 3mil with Siroria, Mother's Sorrow, Zaan.

here is a 3rd friend with acuity, perfect asylum, willpower, ilambris

I'm told that mothers sorrow can be swapped for spinners if you take your CP out of spell erosion and allocate them elsewhere.
Everything seems to work these days.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I’m a bit curious about trying TBS with necropotence now that we can run 5-5-2, grab the mage mundus and the apprentice for 58k magicka, 2600 spell damage a d 20k health

firedrgn

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’m a bit curious about trying TBS with necropotence now that we can run 5-5-2, grab the mage mundus and the apprentice for 58k magicka, 2600 spell damage a d 20k health

What would u pick for your other mundas.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

firedrgn wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’m a bit curious about trying TBS with necropotence now that we can run 5-5-2, for 58k magicka, 2600 spell damage a d 20k health

What would u pick for your other mundas.

grab the mage mundus and the apprentice

ForsakenSin

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’m a bit curious about trying TBS with necropotence now that we can run 5-5-2, grab the mage mundus and the apprentice for 58k magicka, 2600 spell damage a d 20k health

Ive done theory crafting on this and ... yhea the best you can get is ( inner light) 53k magica, 3.1k SD, 19k health, 812 recovery (Longfin Pasty With Melon Sauce) this is also with two Ilambris's 1 h /1 m ... 3 big infused all divines magica gold
arcane rings and neck.

using one Domihaus medium and one heavy Ilambris's it goes to 55k.
using inner light AND Bound Aegis IV then yes you can get it to 59k magica... BUT you will have Bound Aegis IV, Inner Light, pet, two skills and ult. and still 812 recovery .

Honestly i think its better using necro with 3 will power and Ilambris's 1 h /1 m and Witchmother's Potent Brew
53k magica
1300 recovery
and you have inner light, pet , 3 skills and ult.

The thing is i like to balance everything , max magica i can get without using too many skills slots , best recovery i can get, crit to be around 45 - 50 and SD to be around 2.5k.

but that is just me at the moment i found best thing to work for me is neco and infal with Ilambris's and using pet and inner light.

If anybody has any awesome new different build ideas would love to hear them out i love theory crafting!

BTW the max magica i can get is 65751k and 19k health but... useless lol using Mage guildskills inner light and Bound Aegis OR 67828k magica with 13k health

Bobby_V_Rockit

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’m a bit curious about trying TBS with necropotence now that we can run 5-5-2, grab the mage mundus and the apprentice for 58k magicka, 2600 spell damage a d 20k health

Ive done theory crafting on this and ... yhea the best you can get is ( inner light) 53k magica, 3.1k SD, 19k health, 812 recovery (Longfin Pasty With Melon Sauce) this is also with two Ilambris's 1 h /1 m ... 3 big infused all divines magica gold
arcane rings and neck.

using one Domihaus medium and one heavy Ilambris's it goes to 55k.
using inner light AND Bound Aegis IV then yes you can get it to 59k magica... BUT you will have Bound Aegis IV, Inner Light, pet, two skills and ult. and still 812 recovery .

Honestly i think its better using necro with 3 will power and Ilambris's 1 h /1 m and Witchmother's Potent Brew
53k magica
1300 recovery
and you have inner light, pet , 3 skills and ult.

The thing is i like to balance everything , max magica i can get without using too many skills slots , best recovery i can get, crit to be around 45 - 50 and SD to be around 2.5k.

but that is just me at the moment i found best thing to work for me is neco and infal with Ilambris's and using pet and inner light.

If anybody has any awesome new different build ideas would love to hear them out i love theory crafting!

BTW the max magica i can get is 65751k and 19k health but... useless lol using Mage guildskills inner light and Bound Aegis OR 67828k magica with 13k health

Not sure what you mean by theory crafting this one sorry. I was reading the stats off my screen while using 5x TBS, 5x Necro and 2x Ilambris, all divines and yeah, was defintitely 58,534 max magicka, 20566 health, 11516 stamina, 848 mag recovery and 2612 spell damage.

I’m reading those numbers directly from my screen now.

Edit: oops! Now I see the difference, yeah, ~55-55.5k max mag with only aegis or inner light slotted.