Any chance for skillbase gameplay?

Getern

Do u actually think that there is any chance that we will get some more skillbased experience in gameplay? I am not playing since Homestead, I gave up on the game. Point is, I would love to go back but the state of the game is atrocious. I know that Zeni has ability to reapair what was once broken, like when the burst and lag was so bad in 1.6. Imperial City patch evened out state of all classes and reduced the lag significantly. Can't u fix the game like that again? Or just give us 2.1-2.2 state server at least.

Axoinus

You post is kind of all over the place...You want more skill based gameplay experience? What do you mean by that and what does it have to do with going to a new server? Game mechanics and server issues are two different things with very difference solutions. What about the game is atrocious?

JamilaRaj

Getern wrote: »

Do u actually think that there is any chance that we will get some more skillbased experience in gameplay? I am not playing since Homestead, I gave up on the game. Point is, I would love to go back but the state of the game is atrocious. I know that Zeni has ability to reapair what was once broken, like when the burst and lag was so bad in 1.6. Imperial City patch evened out state of all classes and reduced the lag significantly. Can't u fix the game like that again? Or just give us 2.1-2.2 state server at least.

No. Players who lack skill have money too and need to be kept around to spend, not put off by skill based game.

geonsocal

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

runagate

geonsocal wrote: »

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

That's absurd!

You're a fool!

You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.

Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.

It's called a skill rotation

Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

ArchMikem

runagate wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

That's absurd!

You're a fool!

You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.

Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.

It's called a skill rotation

Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

In the back of my mind I just KNEW learning how to count as a child would one day come in handy.

VirtualElizabeth

Skill based game play? @Getern Can you give examples of this? Maybe other games etc?

SaRuZ

ArchMikem wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

That's absurd!

You're a fool!

You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.

Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.

It's called a skill rotation

Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

In the back of my mind I just KNEW learning how to count as a child would one day come in handy.

Someone else that grew up on the streets of Sesame.

runagate

SaRuZ wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

That's absurd!

You're a fool!

You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.

Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.

It's called a skill rotation

Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

In the back of my mind I just KNEW learning how to count as a child would one day come in handy.

Someone else that grew up on the streets of Sesame.

Jpk0012

runagate wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

That's absurd!

You're a fool!

You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.

Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.

It's called a skill rotation

Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

The sad thing is.. that is actually considered skill! I am OK with this. Anything more intense I would probably *** up.

idk

Other than OP seeming to state he was unhappy with how his character was performing since Homestead, he has not really stated what his issue is.

The comment of skill based play is highly subjective. I would better understand if he had said when Morrwind came out and the loss of sustain brought about heavy attack builds, but not so much with Homestead.

O_LYKOS

I'll be completely honest, I have no fudging idea what is being asked here

lazerlaz

Getern wrote: »

Do u actually think that there is any chance that we will get some more skillbased experience in gameplay? I am not playing since Homestead, I gave up on the game. Point is, I would love to go back but the state of the game is atrocious. I know that Zeni has ability to reapair what was once broken, like when the burst and lag was so bad in 1.6. Imperial City patch evened out state of all classes and reduced the lag significantly. Can't u fix the game like that again? Or just give us 2.1-2.2 state server at least.

If you believe things were balanced (or at least more than now) when imperial city came out you either:

a) suffered a head injury and forgot how it really was.

or

b) didn't actually play then.

Understand that the idea of balance in an MMO is a player made idea. It cannot and never will happen. Kinda like the idea of "perfect." We can strive for perfection but in reality perfection is impossible.

ZOS strives to balance classes, but it's impossible.

The most balanced game I've ever played was Ultima Online. You had X amount of points to spend and every skill was available to you. How you mix and match was up to you.

You want a balanced multiplayer game? Try this! Grab a friend, get a fighting game like mortal kombat, pick the exact same characters with the exact same setups and go to town.

You're welcome

cyclonus11

I like to freebase skills, yes.

Getern

lazerlaz wrote: »

Getern wrote: »

If you believe things were balanced (or at least more than now) when imperial city came out

Most of the mattesr I am talking about concerns PVP.
It was common to play wep/spell dmg and high recovery at that time, besides people almost didn't play heavy armor and had around 20k health. It was skillbased becasue u had to react more than just tank damage. Reflect this, cloak that. I am aware that some classes were stronger, but still every single class could be played effectively. I play my stam DK is works and put similar stuff on Stam Templar and I am still bursty and I can 1vX the same. Duels had the point before they become game mechanic. Now? Some classes are hardly playable in Cyrodill. Mag blade for example, u just can't get out of the fight like u could. No matter how good u are, decent players (always in groups nowadays) will at some point take u down.

Jade1986

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Getern wrote: »

Do u actually think that there is any chance that we will get some more skillbased experience in gameplay? I am not playing since Homestead, I gave up on the game. Point is, I would love to go back but the state of the game is atrocious. I know that Zeni has ability to reapair what was once broken, like when the burst and lag was so bad in 1.6. Imperial City patch evened out state of all classes and reduced the lag significantly. Can't u fix the game like that again? Or just give us 2.1-2.2 state server at least.

No. Players who lack skill have money too and need to be kept around to spend, not put off by skill based game.

Yet, skyrim sold more than this game and is more successful and the game is more difficult even at the super easy difficulty. The game doesnt need to be Legendary difficulty, but adept at the very least.

It just seems like zos doesnt care. They were bit by the crate bug and that is all they really focus on now.

• Fix cyro lag ? No. Blame players instead.
• Fix Group finder ? No. Blame peak times instead
• Make overland content what it was before morrowind? Nope. Gotta have it so easy bad breath can kill enemies.
• Meaningful changes to treasure maps? Why should we? Just buy stuff from the store.
• UI improvements for base game so console players get a more user friendly experience ? Who cares, Lets dump all the responsibility on the modders and hope one day console players can use them too.

There just comes a point when you realize that profit trumps gameplay at this point for them. Instead of focusing on the two simultaneously, they seem to have far and few between people in the QA dept and bug fiing dept and a hoard of crown store devs.

Hallothiel

runagate wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

That's absurd!

You're a fool!

You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.

Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.

It's called a skill rotation

Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

Right, going to make myself unpopular but this is probably the main thing I absolutely detest about how you are supposed to play this game. The necessity to get your skill rotation so freaking perfect that it makes no difference to what you fight. Dull. Dull dull dull dull. And the idea that I should spend precious game time practicing this rotation - I have a bloody job, I play this to have fun!

I much prefer the slightly panicked mashing of buttons, (as due to playing numerous alts i forget which skills are where), combined with the frustration that the weapon swap doesn't work half the time, with the pleasant surprise when I kill hard bosses. Keeps the game fresh!

runagate

Hallothiel wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

That's absurd!

You're a fool!

You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.

Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.

It's called a skill rotation

Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

Right, going to make myself unpopular but this is probably the main thing I absolutely detest about how you are supposed to play this game. The necessity to get your skill rotation so freaking perfect that it makes no difference to what you fight. Dull. Dull dull dull dull. And the idea that I should spend precious game time practicing this rotation - I have a bloody job, I play this to have fun!

I much prefer the slightly panicked mashing of buttons, (as due to playing numerous alts i forget which skills are where), combined with the frustration that the weapon swap doesn't work half the time, with the pleasant surprise when I kill hard bosses. Keeps the game fresh!

edit at the risk of spoiling the sarcasm, what you wrote was much funnier than what I did and made me LOL. Nice way to start the morning for me.

Hallothiel

@runagate

Lol - apologies for taking you seriously!

Thing is, this is what I have read / been told to do for end game stuff - must practice your rotations! This then this then this etc. But when I try it just ends up a sad mess and I die. Obviously I don't practice enough.....(feels like I am back at my piano lessons when 9 yrs old)

But I am a queen of button mashing - best and most 'interesting' way play......!

Agobi

I have much skill and stuff...

Strider__Roshin

Do you have a PS4?

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

runagate wrote: »

That's absurd!
You're a fool!
You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.
Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.
It's called a skill rotation
Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

All of this has little to do with skills. This is just repeating a pattern.

Narvuntien

Ha he was being super sarcastic with that post.

I think the point is that MMOs aren't naturally designed for skill based combat. its about rotations, patterns, knowleadge and grinding.

ESO does a good job at pretending to be more of an action game but its still an MMO at heart.

A lot of the anger at the morrowind resource nerfs was it really damaged the action part of the game and forced people back into the MMO box that not everyone is comfortable in.

My opinion is it was way way too much of a nerf. The skill based resource return mechanics need to stay but I was okay with the CP and armor based resource return changes. But I am a MagDK DPS player so you can see why I have that opinion.

coop500

O_LYKOS wrote: »

I'll be completely honest, I have no fudging idea what is being asked here

Me as well

Thogard

coop500 wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

I'll be completely honest, I have no fudging idea what is being asked here

Me as well

And my axe!

Jade1986

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

That's absurd!
You're a fool!
You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.
Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.
It's called a skill rotation
Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

All of this has little to do with skills. This is just repeating a pattern.

Not to mention if you do that without veering from the pattern you are not a good player xD.

Appleblade

A plain old difficulty setting would be nice. It puts you into harder instances. A simple easy - normal - hard would be enough. Hard gives you, for example, group dungeon sized mobs in overland areas. Enemies could have better weapons and armor, use their special skills and heavy attacks more often. Stuff like that. Upgrade the drops and loot as well, of course.

Kiralyn2000

I guess the question is which particular "skills" the OP would like the game to be based on. MMO skills, action game skills, strategy game skills, FPS skills, platformer skills, PvP pick-the-right-counterplay skills.....

Izaki

Hallothiel wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

lord knows when I play i'm just pushing random buttons and hoping for the best...

That's absurd!

You're a fool!

You can't press buttons at random and expect everything to go well.

Do what I do: I press them in order, the same order, every time.

It's called a skill rotation

Since I'm on PC I press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 then heavy attack left click, then bar swap; rinse and repeat.

Right, going to make myself unpopular but this is probably the main thing I absolutely detest about how you are supposed to play this game. The necessity to get your skill rotation so freaking perfect that it makes no difference to what you fight. Dull. Dull dull dull dull. And the idea that I should spend precious game time practicing this rotation - I have a bloody job, I play this to have fun!

I much prefer the slightly panicked mashing of buttons, (as due to playing numerous alts i forget which skills are where), combined with the frustration that the weapon swap doesn't work half the time, with the pleasant surprise when I kill hard bosses. Keeps the game fresh!

Frankly, people who seriously think that repeating a rotation on a trial boss that has mechanics is the same thing as repeating a rotation on a target dummy... They just make me laugh! Therefore when I hear the argument of "Its boring!" or "It makes the game stale!", its just not credible at all, since trying to replicate a rotation on a trial boss is much harder than just "buttom mashing", especially if during your rotation you have some bar swap lag or something.

Jade1986

Appleblade wrote: »

A plain old difficulty setting would be nice. It puts you into harder instances. A simple easy - normal - hard would be enough. Hard gives you, for example, group dungeon sized mobs in overland areas. Enemies could have better weapons and armor, use their special skills and heavy attacks more often. Stuff like that. Upgrade the drops and loot as well, of course.

There should be special titles for harder difficulties too. But you can bet your behind ppl will complain they cant get all cheevos without playing on harder difficulties....which they shouldnt be able to, to be honest.

Balamoor

Every time I see threads like this I wish for public character achievements, because it gives credibility to those who have owned a MMO and ask about legitimate concerns in difficulty..

Perhaps we will get that at some point.