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Nestor

So.....who do I send the bill to for the time I spent on this thread?

Waffennacht

Nestor wrote: »

So.....who do I send the bill to for the time I spent on this thread?

According to everything...

You paid with your time...

It's that it's costs you time, not that you get paid for it...

Nestor

Waffennacht wrote: »

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Nestor wrote: »

So.....who do I send the bill to for the time I spent on this thread?

According to everything...

You paid with your time...

It's that it's costs you time, not that you get paid for it...

Who said I was billing for money?

Tandor

stapeliad wrote: »

"The secret of life is enjoying the passage of time." -James Taylor

That certainly appears to correspond to my belief so far as MMOs is concerned - enjoy the journey, don't worry about the destination !

Tandor

Pheefs wrote: »

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Tandor wrote: »

worth my time

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Tandor wrote: »

waste his time

@Tandor oh the irony!
that's what the video is about!

...that Time is the true human currency, if you go to buy a new hat or an iphone its not only costing you money its costing you the time you spent to earn the money.
Which seems simple, but we have a tendency as people to value the currency over our own efforts.
& as a rule we really like shiny new things, which can set up a destructive cycle of giving all your time in exchange for new better stuffs.

Precisely my point, oh the irony indeed!

Waffennacht

Nestor wrote: »

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Waffennacht wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

So.....who do I send the bill to for the time I spent on this thread?

According to everything...

You paid with your time...

It's that it's costs you time, not that you get paid for it...

Who said I was billing for money?

That being the case... I got ya covered

PlagueSD

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Your message is too late. I spent 43 years of my life earning money and now I sit on my [snip] and the money comes to me. I have plenty of time to waste.

[Edited to remove profanity]

How is using a 3-letter synonym for "donkey" (Equus africanus asinus) profanity?

Samadhi

PlagueSD wrote: »

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Hippie4927 wrote: »

Your message is too late. I spent 43 years of my life earning money and now I sit on my [snip] and the money comes to me. I have plenty of time to waste.

[Edited to remove profanity]

How is using a 3-letter synonym for "donkey" (Equus africanus asinus) profanity?

presumably due to a G or PG rating trying to be maintained on forums
despite the rating of the game

Have previously played a title where referring to one of the insects pictured in my previous post
would show up as gr********* rather than grasshopper
and it was not possible to wish people a 'restful sleep,' without the center of the word being censored

ValkynSketha

This is depressing. : /

duendology

Tandor wrote: »

Ah I see, you're one of those "Don't post on my topics if you don't agree with me" types.

Bad luck, it's a discussion board, not your fansite.

@Tandor
Huh? What are you talking about? There must be some miscommunication problem between us or what? Really where did I make such an impression? I posted two videos...and you were the one coming in and obnoxiously stating you wouldn't watch anything. There's nothing ranty or offensive in the original post for you to have made that first response!
I must confess I've got an allergy to people who are like, to quote your own words from previous reply, "I haven't bothered to watch the videos" but I will sprout my wisdom anyway? Would you enjoy the same "treatment" from fellow posters if the situation was reversed?

@Pheefs
It's more to gain some self-insight? The awareness that Time IS the currency...no matter what we do. And because Time is irrecoverable we should be cautious and mindful? My fault I haven't written an explanatory wall of page accompanying these videos in the original post..I relied on so called mental shortcuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il2WtqZ9-LA

Also maybe if people desired less in terms of material possessions, on which they spend their money they previously had spent time earning, there would be less frustration (Crown Crates mania) Then again, it's not in companies' best interest.

Runefang

*shrug*

Rouven

Nestor wrote: »

So.....who do I send the bill to for the time I spent on this thread?

Well your future self of course!

Tandor

duendology wrote: »

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Tandor wrote: »

Ah I see, you're one of those "Don't post on my topics if you don't agree with me" types.

Bad luck, it's a discussion board, not your fansite.

@Tandor
Huh? What are you talking about? There must be some miscommunication problem between us or what? Really where did I make such an impression? I posted two videos...and you were the one coming in and obnoxiously stating you wouldn't watch anything. There's nothing ranty or offensive in the original post for you to have made that first response!
I must confess I've got an allergy to people who are like, to quote your own words from previous reply, "I haven't bothered to watch the videos" but I will sprout my wisdom anyway?

You specifically requested that I refrain from posting on this topic.

I didn't spout wisdom, I made a satirical response which clearly got under your skin - for which I apologise as no offence was intended, but as a result of which I do think you over-reacted. However, no matter.

duendology

I didn't get the satirical part in your first response, I got the condescending tone though. But oh well, miscommunication indeed.

tplink3r1

This forum is about the game and not for some self-help pseudo-philosophical videos.

Hippie4927

PlagueSD wrote: »

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Hippie4927 wrote: »

Your message is too late. I spent 43 years of my life earning money and now I sit on my [snip] and the money comes to me. I have plenty of time to waste.

[Edited to remove profanity]

How is using a 3-letter synonym for "donkey" (Equus africanus asinus) profanity?

I wondered the same thing! This is almost 2018 not the 1950's when that word was considered profanity, right?

ManwithBeard9

duendology wrote: »

I didn't get the satirical part in your first response, I got the condescending tone though. But oh well, miscommunication indeed.

Seems like this whole thread has a condescending tone.

duendology

tplink3r1 wrote: »

This forum is about the game and not for some self-help pseudo-philosophical videos.

Pseudo?
I dare say some people's insatiable thirst for the ESO items they spend countless hours to get or gamble for and THEN Grand Frustration when they do not get what they want (the forum is filled with those topics)...is somewhat related to the issues discussed in those "pseudo" psychological "self-help" videos.
But, if you're right, I am certain that the forum moderators will close this topic.
Thank you.

Raideen

Thank you OP. This is insightful and a strong life lesson. Don't listen to the people bashing you, its clearly over their level of comprehension.

Hymzir

Saying that if you don't like the event, then don't participate, is not helpful. We play this game because we think the enjoyment we get out from it is worth the time spent on doing so. We participate in events because we think it will be worth the time and effort invested.

When it turns out that it wasn't, we are disappointed and frustrated, and it saps our joy of playing the game and makes us wonder if continuing to play the game really is worth it. It certainly makes us less inclined to participate in upcoming events, and with that... Well it just hastens our departure from the game.

And that is the point here - ZOS keeps dropping the ball time and time again, and stuff like this event certainly do not help with player retention. The point of events like this is to incentivize people to stick with the game, not makes us start look for more rewarding ways to spend our time.

I'm not saying they gotta keep showering us with gifts all the time, but they could make the loot tables for these events less dependent on RNG and maybe only include stuff that people are happy to find. I mean they had lock picks in the loot table for the event! And ESO+ members should not get dye stamps. They are utterly useless to those who sub.

Another idea is to try and keep the rewards approximately equal in value, so it doesn't matter what you get. You should be able to at least trade the rewards for the stuff you want. They could just give event tokens as reward and then have an event shopkeeper somewhere who trades stuff for tokens. Thus no RNG, and everyone gets rewards of equal value, and actual effort and time invested gets rewarded, not your ability to appease RNGesus.

Think about it - people at ZOS should be quite aware how ridiculously expensive purple CWC furnishing recipes are in the ingame economy right now. And they decided to add them as a rare drop on the loot tables? Some people made hundreds of thousand of gold from this event, while most got bunch of useless crap. What if each dungeon you did gave you a crown store consumable at random and a dungeon token. 5 tokens to get the collectable of your choice, and say 10 to purchase a random purple CWC recipe. Wouldn't that have been so much better than what we got.

Heavily favoring RNG as a design element leads to festering feelings of resentment in the player base, and that leads to having less fun playing, which in turn makes one question is this crap really worth my time. And thus events like these incentivize the players to spend their time playing some thing else.

But ZOS... ZOS never changes

duendology

I agree with you, @Hymzir

Also, it's one thing to consciously choose doing something and participating with the full awareness of consequences..but losing control and not even realising of being sucked into some vicious circle it's a completely different story. I hope most posters here are aware of it...just that.

@Raideen
Nah. They get it, I am sure. Maybe it was a miscommunication. I am glad you liked it.

Waffennacht

@Hymzir what a well put together post

KochDerDamonen

duendology wrote: »

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Tandor wrote: »

Ah I see, you're one of those "Don't post on my topics if you don't agree with me" types.

Bad luck, it's a discussion board, not your fansite.

@Tandor
Huh? What are you talking about? There must be some miscommunication problem between us or what? Really where did I make such an impression? I posted two videos...and you were the one coming in and obnoxiously stating you wouldn't watch anything. There's nothing ranty or offensive in the original post for you to have made that first response!
I must confess I've got an allergy to people who are like, to quote your own words from previous reply, "I haven't bothered to watch the videos" but I will sprout my wisdom anyway? Would you enjoy the same "treatment" from fellow posters if the situation was reversed?

@Pheefs
It's more to gain some self-insight? The awareness that Time IS the currency...no matter what we do. And because Time is irrecoverable we should be cautious and mindful? My fault I haven't written an explanatory wall of page accompanying these videos in the original post..I relied on so called mental shortcuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il2WtqZ9-LA

Also maybe if people desired less in terms of material possessions, on which they spend their money they previously had spent time earning, there would be less frustration (Crown Crates mania) Then again, it's not in companies' best interest.

Maybe if people didn't need to breathe, they wouldn't have to breathe.

Slick_007

duendology wrote: »

@Tandor
Then refrain from commenting, please.. because you come across as a...well, an obnoxious type, to put it lightly. As you completely missed the point with YOUR brilliant and snarky reply. But, at least, you feel accomplished. I am glad I could be of help. And it would be really beneficial "waste" of time to watch these videos...won't hurt, I assure you.

Tandors comments was one of the most sensible in here and i absolutely agree. i have better things to do with my time than watch these videos too.

Cadbury

Perhaps the OP's message would have been better received had he/she chose this video to use instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bODTpXstGg


Also, this movie trailer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdadZ_KrZVw