Stam nb pvp heavy armor help

Izaki

Blanco wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Considering medium armor is unplayable you have no choice. Anyone who is still saying medium armor stamblade is viable in PvP is wrong. Flat out wrong it's garbage. Medium armor stamblade is the easiest to kill class in PvP by far, not even close. Staying alive is not possible, it has nothing to do with skill, your only option is dying but you may get some kills along the way if you find bad players.

There is nothing worse you can do for yourself than run medium armor, which is unplayable.

The only viable way to play stamblade is to wear heavy. This is not debatable. Stamblade in heavy currently performs very well in the right hands.

The only conceivable way to run medium would be some combination of chudan, fortified brass etc, but you will be sacrificing a lot of damage just to get your resistances in the heavy armor range. You aren't sacrificing damage running heavy if you build correctly.

What a load of crap. Unless of course you willingly exaggerated every single point that you made to ridiculous proportions.

Just the fact that you mention Chudan makes me laugh. Why? Because it provides a Major Resistance buff that EVERY class has access to. What's even funnier, is that NBs get those buffs through a passive, which works based on the activation of Surprise Attack (your spammable damage ability), Mass Hysteria (your main CC), Shadow Image (your getaway) and Cloak. Safe to say that Major Resolve and Major Ward are up 100% of the time or very close to it, without any need for Chudan. No class needs to run Chudan, its a terrible set. And by the way, with Blood Spawn proc'ed (which is about 90% of the time when outnumbered), I have 27k resistances. That's just as much as you'd have in heavy armor. And it also helps your burst when outnumbered since it gives you 14 ultimate every time it procs, which means you get your Incap quicker, which means you have more quick kill opportunities.

If you can't play medium armor Stamblade, I get it. But claiming that its the absolute best? Hell no. Both playstyles have their benefits, but they are fundamentally different, therefore, there is no such thing as an absolute best. There is however the fact that one fits the class much better than the other.

And roll dodge is far from being the only defense. Medium armor builds can block too, you know. In fact, with 3k recovery, one would be a fool not to utilise it to your advantage and "tap-block" often. On top of that, you have Major Evasion, Shadow Image and of course Cloak. Now, obviously, Shadow Image and Cloak are bugged at the moment, but that's a different discussion.

And adding on to that: I play BGs every day, in medium armor without a gap closer. Its more than fine.

But if you would just run heavy, you'd find that it works even better.

You are so quick to jump the gun, I am referring only to 1 piece chudan which is useable for any build.

It may be viable on EU, but I can tell you that I do not take medium armor stamblades seriously. They are too squishy. I generally kill them extremely quickly.

After playing a medium stamblade with 3k recovery. 4.2k weapon damage 38k stam, I can tell you it is seriously awful.

I've run blood spawn, selene's, and tried different combinations all are sub optimal. There is a very good reason why heavy armor is the meta. Best to slot heavy, gives you more options for playstyle without sacrificing damage.

There are things you can do in medium that you can't in heavy (and vice versa obviously). For example playing without a gap closer (on a NB specifically). You need to reingage a fight quickly after Cloaking and recovering, and medium allows for that with the increased sprint movement speed and the snare removal. And boy, the combos you can pull off with both Relentless and Executionner on the front bar... Just beautiful really. On a heavy armor build, you'd have to sacrifice Rally for Forward Momentum, which in turn means you'd have to sacrifice Blood Spawn for Troll King (which doesn't offer ANY offensive advantages).

I believe in terms of stats, my true weapon damage would be around 4.7k. Add on the 10% from Exploiter CP passive and the 75% stronger Heavy Attacks against Off-Balance targets, the burst is huge. 24k health, 2.6K recovery and 37.5k stamina as well. I could push more damage easily just by swapping some of my tri-stat enchants to max stamina. And I could drop my recovery to 2.4k and still be fine sustain-wise. Its actually what I do in BGs since you get a lot of kills in quick succession and therefore you benefit from both the Executionner passive and the 30% extra stamina recovery very often.

But you did say that I was sacrificing damage in order to get my resistances into Heavy Armor range, which is false. Blood Spawn gives you the best of both worlds, I wouldn't trade that set for anything else.

fred4

I am curious whether the people arguing here primarily play in CP, no CP, or a mixture. I play light armor magblade. I have used Fortified Brass for greater resistances on occasion. In CP I basically only find that useful for solo IC boss farming, though not really necessary. As a magblade I prefer sets that give me more magicka / shield size, in CP, and I find the added resistances from Fortified Brass subjectively quite useless. In no CP, however, I have found a Fortified Brass / Amber Plasm light armor setup rather good. My instinct, therefore, is that some of the diferences in opinion here could be down to people playing in CP and no CP respectively, with BG being the 3rd option, of course.

I do realise that light armor is different due to the use of shields. On the other hand I have tried Impregnable and found that rather useful, as a defensive set in CP, desprite shields being uncrittable. You hang on to your life much better if/when your shields fail and people try to either burst or execute you.

Brutusmax1mus

Its not heavy armor passives imo. It's the rediculous weapon damage a couple sets provide, that EVERYONE is wearing now, in conjunction with the sharpened nerf.

Betsararie

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Considering medium armor is unplayable you have no choice. Anyone who is still saying medium armor stamblade is viable in PvP is wrong. Flat out wrong it's garbage. Medium armor stamblade is the easiest to kill class in PvP by far, not even close. Staying alive is not possible, it has nothing to do with skill, your only option is dying but you may get some kills along the way if you find bad players.

There is nothing worse you can do for yourself than run medium armor, which is unplayable.

The only viable way to play stamblade is to wear heavy. This is not debatable. Stamblade in heavy currently performs very well in the right hands.

The only conceivable way to run medium would be some combination of chudan, fortified brass etc, but you will be sacrificing a lot of damage just to get your resistances in the heavy armor range. You aren't sacrificing damage running heavy if you build correctly.

What a load of crap. Unless of course you willingly exaggerated every single point that you made to ridiculous proportions.

Just the fact that you mention Chudan makes me laugh. Why? Because it provides a Major Resistance buff that EVERY class has access to. What's even funnier, is that NBs get those buffs through a passive, which works based on the activation of Surprise Attack (your spammable damage ability), Mass Hysteria (your main CC), Shadow Image (your getaway) and Cloak. Safe to say that Major Resolve and Major Ward are up 100% of the time or very close to it, without any need for Chudan. No class needs to run Chudan, its a terrible set. And by the way, with Blood Spawn proc'ed (which is about 90% of the time when outnumbered), I have 27k resistances. That's just as much as you'd have in heavy armor. And it also helps your burst when outnumbered since it gives you 14 ultimate every time it procs, which means you get your Incap quicker, which means you have more quick kill opportunities.

If you can't play medium armor Stamblade, I get it. But claiming that its the absolute best? Hell no. Both playstyles have their benefits, but they are fundamentally different, therefore, there is no such thing as an absolute best. There is however the fact that one fits the class much better than the other.

And roll dodge is far from being the only defense. Medium armor builds can block too, you know. In fact, with 3k recovery, one would be a fool not to utilise it to your advantage and "tap-block" often. On top of that, you have Major Evasion, Shadow Image and of course Cloak. Now, obviously, Shadow Image and Cloak are bugged at the moment, but that's a different discussion.

And adding on to that: I play BGs every day, in medium armor without a gap closer. Its more than fine.

But if you would just run heavy, you'd find that it works even better.

You are so quick to jump the gun, I am referring only to 1 piece chudan which is useable for any build.

It may be viable on EU, but I can tell you that I do not take medium armor stamblades seriously. They are too squishy. I generally kill them extremely quickly.

After playing a medium stamblade with 3k recovery. 4.2k weapon damage 38k stam, I can tell you it is seriously awful.

I've run blood spawn, selene's, and tried different combinations all are sub optimal. There is a very good reason why heavy armor is the meta. Best to slot heavy, gives you more options for playstyle without sacrificing damage.

There are things you can do in medium that you can't in heavy (and vice versa obviously). For example playing without a gap closer (on a NB specifically). You need to reingage a fight quickly after Cloaking and recovering, and medium allows for that with the increased sprint movement speed and the snare removal. And boy, the combos you can pull off with both Relentless and Executionner on the front bar... Just beautiful really. On a heavy armor build, you'd have to sacrifice Rally for Forward Momentum, which in turn means you'd have to sacrifice Blood Spawn for Troll King (which doesn't offer ANY offensive advantages).

I believe in terms of stats, my true weapon damage would be around 4.7k. Add on the 10% from Exploiter CP passive and the 75% stronger Heavy Attacks against Off-Balance targets, the burst is huge. 24k health, 2.6K recovery and 37.5k stamina as well. I could push more damage easily just by swapping some of my tri-stat enchants to max stamina. And I could drop my recovery to 2.4k and still be fine sustain-wise. Its actually what I do in BGs since you get a lot of kills in quick succession and therefore you benefit from both the Executionner passive and the 30% extra stamina recovery very often.

But you did say that I was sacrificing damage in order to get my resistances into Heavy Armor range, which is false. Blood Spawn gives you the best of both worlds, I wouldn't trade that set for anything else.

Well if you're really good, you can still take a dump on everyone while wearing medium. I definitely have seen that, though again you have seen my feelings on it. Perfectly fine to run it if you outclass your competition.

I will forego saying anything about you directly, but if it works for you there may not be a need to switch? I'm sure you can make that determination on your own, meanwhile I will still be viewing medium stamblades as the most easily killed class in the game- By far.

umagon

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

I would like to take my nightblade into pvp. I need suggestions for some gear.

Was thinking dual weild for front bar and s&b for back. Since nb have gap closer etc. Heavy armor seems more needed than before.

Redguard.
Stam.

Suggestions?

I have ran a 7/7 heavy stam redgaurd nb tank for years. If you are looking to go the more tank route I would suggest looking into the damage reduction sets and pairing them with offensive sets if you are looking for balance. If you want to go full on fortress you can stack defensive sets but you have to bring some utility, otherwise people will just ignore you.

I also run s/b dw (s/b front dw back) and you might want to consider looking at the blood craze, low slash and reverb bash combo. You place a number of debuffs, crowd control, and status effects on the target in about 2-3 secs. And If you pair it with poisons and with the befoul cp you can take control of one on one encounters quickly.

Because you lack healing the other classes have you might want to consider using soul siphon. In heavy it’s healing is absurd, but sometimes veil of blades is more useful in group situations. I run soul siphon on the front and incap on the back normally.

doslekis

Blanco, you come into this thread saying that the medium armor stamblade is garbage, not viable, etc. But what you're forgetting is it is a play style that many many players use every day, and enjoy, and succeed with!

They may be the easiest to kill in the game, but they may also have some of the best burst aswell.

So before you go throwing around any more subjective percentage formulas that allow you to decide what playstyle is viable, maybe you should throw some bone pirate on and see if you can actually learn how to play in medium.

Medium is not bad. You are bad in medium.

Betsararie

doslekis wrote: »

Blanco, you come into this thread saying that the medium armor stamblade is garbage, not viable, etc. But what you're forgetting is it is a play style that many many players use every day, and enjoy, and succeed with!

They may be the easiest to kill in the game, but they may also have some of the best burst aswell.

So before you go throwing around any more subjective percentage formulas that allow you to decide what playstyle is viable, maybe you should throw some bone pirate on and see if you can actually learn how to play in medium.

Medium is not bad. You are bad in medium.

Ah, classic.

You see what you're doing here.... what you're doing is not accounting for the fact that Heavy is flat out better.

Sure, many players play medium stamblade. They also make up a good percentage of my kill counter kills.

I play mag sorc as my main though I play many classes, If you are a medium stam blade I will actually eat you for breakfast. I've become so good at killing the little buggers.... I've never seen anything die faster than a medium stamblade. Really they're even easier to kill than NPCs. Oh and your ganks never even make a dent in me. Why hold onto something that is dead (medium)? SLOT HEAVY. SERIOUSLY. What are you doing . You are handicapping yourself to a ridiculous extent. Heavy armor nightblades on the other hand are extremely powerful in the right hands.

I've already said good players can pull off medium..... But they will always be better in heavy, no exceptions. You might as well rummage through the trash can and rub some garbage on yourself before going into battle... would have a similar effect.

Just because some people can pull off medium due to a specific playstyle or them being skilled, does not mean you should run medium. You shouldn't because it is simply, and factually worse than heavy.

IlCanis_LupuslI

@Icy_Waffles
This is the setup i run, works for me very effective
https://youtu.be/WxwrkgT89XU

Publius_Scipio

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

@Icy_Waffles
This is the setup i run, works for me very effective
https://youtu.be/WxwrkgT89XU

Is that capture from Xbox One X? The game is rather quite visually striking in your video.

Izaki

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Its not heavy armor passives imo. It's the rediculous weapon damage a couple sets provide, that EVERYONE is wearing now, in conjunction with the sharpened nerf.

Yeah its literally just that. Most of the passives aren't that impressive and they most certainly aren't better than medium armor passives. Just extra 10% crit, sprint speed and cost reduction is already better than Health recovery, Constitution and that resistance passive.

Blanco wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Considering medium armor is unplayable you have no choice. Anyone who is still saying medium armor stamblade is viable in PvP is wrong. Flat out wrong it's garbage. Medium armor stamblade is the easiest to kill class in PvP by far, not even close. Staying alive is not possible, it has nothing to do with skill, your only option is dying but you may get some kills along the way if you find bad players.

There is nothing worse you can do for yourself than run medium armor, which is unplayable.

The only viable way to play stamblade is to wear heavy. This is not debatable. Stamblade in heavy currently performs very well in the right hands.

The only conceivable way to run medium would be some combination of chudan, fortified brass etc, but you will be sacrificing a lot of damage just to get your resistances in the heavy armor range. You aren't sacrificing damage running heavy if you build correctly.

What a load of crap. Unless of course you willingly exaggerated every single point that you made to ridiculous proportions.

Just the fact that you mention Chudan makes me laugh. Why? Because it provides a Major Resistance buff that EVERY class has access to. What's even funnier, is that NBs get those buffs through a passive, which works based on the activation of Surprise Attack (your spammable damage ability), Mass Hysteria (your main CC), Shadow Image (your getaway) and Cloak. Safe to say that Major Resolve and Major Ward are up 100% of the time or very close to it, without any need for Chudan. No class needs to run Chudan, its a terrible set. And by the way, with Blood Spawn proc'ed (which is about 90% of the time when outnumbered), I have 27k resistances. That's just as much as you'd have in heavy armor. And it also helps your burst when outnumbered since it gives you 14 ultimate every time it procs, which means you get your Incap quicker, which means you have more quick kill opportunities.

If you can't play medium armor Stamblade, I get it. But claiming that its the absolute best? Hell no. Both playstyles have their benefits, but they are fundamentally different, therefore, there is no such thing as an absolute best. There is however the fact that one fits the class much better than the other.

And roll dodge is far from being the only defense. Medium armor builds can block too, you know. In fact, with 3k recovery, one would be a fool not to utilise it to your advantage and "tap-block" often. On top of that, you have Major Evasion, Shadow Image and of course Cloak. Now, obviously, Shadow Image and Cloak are bugged at the moment, but that's a different discussion.

And adding on to that: I play BGs every day, in medium armor without a gap closer. Its more than fine.

But if you would just run heavy, you'd find that it works even better.

You are so quick to jump the gun, I am referring only to 1 piece chudan which is useable for any build.

It may be viable on EU, but I can tell you that I do not take medium armor stamblades seriously. They are too squishy. I generally kill them extremely quickly.

After playing a medium stamblade with 3k recovery. 4.2k weapon damage 38k stam, I can tell you it is seriously awful.

I've run blood spawn, selene's, and tried different combinations all are sub optimal. There is a very good reason why heavy armor is the meta. Best to slot heavy, gives you more options for playstyle without sacrificing damage.

There are things you can do in medium that you can't in heavy (and vice versa obviously). For example playing without a gap closer (on a NB specifically). You need to reingage a fight quickly after Cloaking and recovering, and medium allows for that with the increased sprint movement speed and the snare removal. And boy, the combos you can pull off with both Relentless and Executionner on the front bar... Just beautiful really. On a heavy armor build, you'd have to sacrifice Rally for Forward Momentum, which in turn means you'd have to sacrifice Blood Spawn for Troll King (which doesn't offer ANY offensive advantages).

I believe in terms of stats, my true weapon damage would be around 4.7k. Add on the 10% from Exploiter CP passive and the 75% stronger Heavy Attacks against Off-Balance targets, the burst is huge. 24k health, 2.6K recovery and 37.5k stamina as well. I could push more damage easily just by swapping some of my tri-stat enchants to max stamina. And I could drop my recovery to 2.4k and still be fine sustain-wise. Its actually what I do in BGs since you get a lot of kills in quick succession and therefore you benefit from both the Executionner passive and the 30% extra stamina recovery very often.

But you did say that I was sacrificing damage in order to get my resistances into Heavy Armor range, which is false. Blood Spawn gives you the best of both worlds, I wouldn't trade that set for anything else.

Well if you're really good, you can still take a dump on everyone while wearing medium. I definitely have seen that, though again you have seen my feelings on it. Perfectly fine to run it if you outclass your competition.

I will forego saying anything about you directly, but if it works for you there may not be a need to switch? I'm sure you can make that determination on your own, meanwhile I will still be viewing medium stamblades as the most easily killed class in the game- By far.

"Most easily killed class in the game".

First off, the class remains the same, its Stamina Nightblade, medium or heavy doesn't change that. So its more like "Most easily killed spec in the game".

Second, this is a strange statement since its so broad, it almost doesn't even make sense. In what context? There's way too much criteria to fill for you or anyone to be able to make a statement like that. Plus, if we're honest, everything is only as easy to beat as the player.
And frankly, a medium armor stamina DK is WAY easier to kill than a Stamblade. I'd say the same goes for stamina Sorc. And Stamplar. There are tons of specs that are easier to take down that a medium Stamblade.

So yeah. I can't agree or disagree with a statement that doesn't make much sense, so I'll just say: cool.

Izaki

Blanco wrote: »

doslekis wrote: »

Blanco, you come into this thread saying that the medium armor stamblade is garbage, not viable, etc. But what you're forgetting is it is a play style that many many players use every day, and enjoy, and succeed with!

They may be the easiest to kill in the game, but they may also have some of the best burst aswell.

So before you go throwing around any more subjective percentage formulas that allow you to decide what playstyle is viable, maybe you should throw some bone pirate on and see if you can actually learn how to play in medium.

Medium is not bad. You are bad in medium.

I've already said good players can pull off medium..... But they will always be better in heavy, no exceptions. You might as well rummage through the trash can and rub some garbage on yourself before going into battle... would have a similar effect.

"No exceptions". Another bold statement. Like I said before, I personally play without a gap closer, just because I want to have Relentless Focus and Executionner on the same bar in order to pull off fluid combos. You won't pull that off in heavy on a Stamblade as efficiently as in medium armor, I doubt you'd be able to pull that off at all in fact. So yeah.

Betsararie

You should just continue playing medium for all of your stam toons because I get the sense you think it's superior to heavy. Keep playing it !!

Izaki

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Heavy Armor Stamblade just feels wrong IMO. You don't have the innate tankiness of the other classes: no Major/Minor Healing Done/Received buffs, no Healing passives, no extra class heal, no extra resistances or blocking passives. But it can work since it has something other classes don't: Mirage/Double Take.

Frankly, you have a lot of options at this point. I'd still suggest sticking to the classic, 2H/Bow playstyle since that's what works best for Stamblades in general. All other setups just pale in comparison most of the time.

Now if you were to go down the 2H/Bow route this is what I would personally suggest:
5 Seventh Legion or 5 Armor of Truth or 5 Ravager, 3 Agility, 2 Bloodspawn, Asylum 2H, Master's Bow. All tri-stat enchants, 2 weapon damage 1 recovery on the jewelry, and you'd want the Lava foot-soup and Saltrice food (Max Stam and Stam Recovery).
As far as skills go:
2H bar: Executionner, Crit Rush, Surprise Attack, Mass Hysteria, Rally, Incap
Bow bar: Mirage, Shadow Image, Poison Injection, Vigor, Relentless Focus/Leeching Strikes, Soul Tether/Flawless DB/Ballista.
Playing without Cloak would be your best bet. The only downside of this build is the fact that you can't remove snares (which is also why Cloak will be useless most of the time).

The other option, and I've seen this work very well, is the DW/2H setup:
5 Seventh Legion or 5 Armor of Truth or 5 Ravager (body and weapons), 5 Bone Pirate (jewelry and body), 2 Troll King (both in Heavy). Same thing as the 2H/Bow setup in terms of enchantments, the only thing that changes is the food: use Dubious drink.
DW Bar: Ambush, Mass Hysteria, Vigor, Surprise Attack, Deadly Cloak, Incap
2H Bar: Mirage, Forward Momentum, Shadow Image, Shadowy Disguise, Leeching Strikes/Relentless Focus, Soul Tether/Flawless DB/Ballista
The main benefit of this is the fact that you retain the mobility due to Forward Momentum, which allows you to use Cloak, which in turn allows you to heal better (since all your Vigor ticks will crit while in Cloak). Another benefit is the fast Heavy Attacks. I'd recommend going for the Tactitian CP passive to get the most benefit out of that, since HAs do 75% more damage to Off-Balance targets on top of the 10% extra damage from the Exploiter CP passive.
The only downside is the lack of a burst heal.

You could do a similar thing as the DW/2H setup with a SnB/2H setup, just replace Deadly Cloak with Relentless Focus (and run Leeching on the back bar) OR replace it with Killer's Blade (and run Relentless on the back bar). Keep everything else the same.

With both the DW and the SnB setups, you'd want to run the Immovable, Expedition and Stam pots. With the 2H/Bow setup, you'd want to run Immovable, Weapon Crit and Stam pots (or just tri-stats, but I doubt you'll need them considering your magicka consumption isn't very high.

How do you feel about 5/5/1 setups with masters bow/vAS 2h? Something like Bone Pirate+7th?

@Lexxypwns

So I went onto the UESP Build Editor. All glyphs are the same: 7 tri-stats on the body, 1 recovery and 2 weapon damage on the jewelry. Nirnhoned 2H Double Ravage health poisons, Infused Bow Weapon Damage enchant. Warrior Mundus.
Same buffs for both:
- Major: Brutality, Savagery, Ward, Resolve, Endurance
- Minor: Berserk, Savagery, Endurance

Check this out:
Heavy Armor: 5 Seventh Legion, 5 Bone Pirate, Asylum Maul and Master's Bow
25970 Health
36060 Stamina
12430 Magicka
3625 Weapon Damage
2244 Stam Recovery
43% Crit Chance
22103 Spell and Physical Resistance

Medium Armor: 5 Bone Pirate, 3 Agility, 2 Blood Spawn, Asylum Maul and Master's Bow
24239 Health
38079 Stamina
12430 Magicka
3442 Weapon Damage
2701 Stam Recovery
50% Crit Chance
25213 Spell and Physical Resistance

I just don't see the point of using Heavy Armor in this case. Sure you lose 200 weapon damage, but you gain 2k stamina which is roughly the same in terms of damage output except it also helps with sustain. You have more resistances in the medium than in the heavy setup, you have more ultimate regen in the medium setup, you have more crit, more mobility, snare removal... Yeah, in this case medium is just the clear winner.

In battlegrounds, I personally drop the recovery glyph for a weapon damage one which brings me to 3632 weapon damage and 2419 stamina recovery. It means that I heavy attack more, but that's what I do anyway since I've got the Exploiter and Tactitian CP passives, which mean that my heavies hit like flying tanks (75% extra damage on HAs to Off-Balanced peeps).

And a setup that I'm trying out now, is with the Mag/Stam recovery drink. Drops my stamina and my health to 34.4k and 20.4k respectively, but I get 2.8k stam recovery and 1.3k magicka recovery which means that sustain is never an issue. Also allows me to keep the full WD on the jewelry. Maybe a bit too much magicka recovery though.

And a setup I'd like to try is with Shacklebreaker instead of Bone Pirate and using the Max Stam/Stam Recovery food. 37k stamina, 20.4k health, 14.9k magicka, 800 magicka recovery, 3.6k weapon damage.

The low health isn't really an issue 90% of the time. It only becomes one when I don't block or dodge something I should have.

Izaki

Blanco wrote: »

You should just continue playing medium for all of your stam toons because I get the sense you think it's superior to heavy. Keep playing it !!

I actually already do that because the only 2 stamina classes I play in PvP are Stamblade and Stamplar, both of which I use the exact same gear since I can't be bothered opening 1000000 Cyrodiil boxes trying to get Ravager or 7th Legion in the right traits. And GJ on the abrupt end to a more or less constructive conversation. Some people's attitude man

Betsararie

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

doslekis wrote: »

Blanco, you come into this thread saying that the medium armor stamblade is garbage, not viable, etc. But what you're forgetting is it is a play style that many many players use every day, and enjoy, and succeed with!

They may be the easiest to kill in the game, but they may also have some of the best burst aswell.

So before you go throwing around any more subjective percentage formulas that allow you to decide what playstyle is viable, maybe you should throw some bone pirate on and see if you can actually learn how to play in medium.

Medium is not bad. You are bad in medium.

I've already said good players can pull off medium..... But they will always be better in heavy, no exceptions. You might as well rummage through the trash can and rub some garbage on yourself before going into battle... would have a similar effect.

"No exceptions". Another bold statement. Like I said before, I personally play without a gap closer, just because I want to have Relentless Focus and Executionner on the same bar in order to pull off fluid combos. You won't pull that off in heavy on a Stamblade as efficiently as in medium armor, I doubt you'd be able to pull that off at all in fact. So yeah.

I find your comment incredibly insulting. You should really leave me alone.

Izaki

Blanco wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

doslekis wrote: »

Blanco, you come into this thread saying that the medium armor stamblade is garbage, not viable, etc. But what you're forgetting is it is a play style that many many players use every day, and enjoy, and succeed with!

They may be the easiest to kill in the game, but they may also have some of the best burst aswell.

So before you go throwing around any more subjective percentage formulas that allow you to decide what playstyle is viable, maybe you should throw some bone pirate on and see if you can actually learn how to play in medium.

Medium is not bad. You are bad in medium.

I've already said good players can pull off medium..... But they will always be better in heavy, no exceptions. You might as well rummage through the trash can and rub some garbage on yourself before going into battle... would have a similar effect.

"No exceptions". Another bold statement. Like I said before, I personally play without a gap closer, just because I want to have Relentless Focus and Executionner on the same bar in order to pull off fluid combos. You won't pull that off in heavy on a Stamblade as efficiently as in medium armor, I doubt you'd be able to pull that off at all in fact. So yeah.

I find your comment incredibly insulting. You should really leave me alone.

How was this insulting? I apologize, I certainly didn't mean that. Just to clarify, I was using "you" as a general term, not you specifically. This was just an example showing how the point you made didn't apply in all case.

Betsararie

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

doslekis wrote: »

Blanco, you come into this thread saying that the medium armor stamblade is garbage, not viable, etc. But what you're forgetting is it is a play style that many many players use every day, and enjoy, and succeed with!

They may be the easiest to kill in the game, but they may also have some of the best burst aswell.

So before you go throwing around any more subjective percentage formulas that allow you to decide what playstyle is viable, maybe you should throw some bone pirate on and see if you can actually learn how to play in medium.

Medium is not bad. You are bad in medium.

I've already said good players can pull off medium..... But they will always be better in heavy, no exceptions. You might as well rummage through the trash can and rub some garbage on yourself before going into battle... would have a similar effect.

"No exceptions". Another bold statement. Like I said before, I personally play without a gap closer, just because I want to have Relentless Focus and Executionner on the same bar in order to pull off fluid combos. You won't pull that off in heavy on a Stamblade as efficiently as in medium armor, I doubt you'd be able to pull that off at all in fact. So yeah.

I find your comment incredibly insulting. You should really leave me alone.

How was this insulting? I apologize, I certainly didn't mean that. Just to clarify, I was using "you" as a general term, not you specifically. This was just an example showing how the point you made didn't apply in all case.

I am way too triggered by you to continue this anymore.

Have a good day.

Betsararie

grannas211 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

doslekis wrote: »

Blanco, you come into this thread saying that the medium armor stamblade is garbage, not viable, etc. But what you're forgetting is it is a play style that many many players use every day, and enjoy, and succeed with!

They may be the easiest to kill in the game, but they may also have some of the best burst aswell.

So before you go throwing around any more subjective percentage formulas that allow you to decide what playstyle is viable, maybe you should throw some bone pirate on and see if you can actually learn how to play in medium.

Medium is not bad. You are bad in medium.

I've already said good players can pull off medium..... But they will always be better in heavy, no exceptions. You might as well rummage through the trash can and rub some garbage on yourself before going into battle... would have a similar effect.

"No exceptions". Another bold statement. Like I said before, I personally play without a gap closer, just because I want to have Relentless Focus and Executionner on the same bar in order to pull off fluid combos. You won't pull that off in heavy on a Stamblade as efficiently as in medium armor, I doubt you'd be able to pull that off at all in fact. So yeah.

I find your comment incredibly insulting. You should really leave me alone.

How was this insulting? I apologize, I certainly didn't mean that. Just to clarify, I was using "you" as a general term, not you specifically. This was just an example showing how the point you made didn't apply in all case.

I am way too triggered by you to continue this anymore.

Have a good day.

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Tommy_The_Gun

Well... I was using 5 pcs medium Hunding's Rage on my stamblade... Some time ago I switched to heavy... and oh my god... The difference is like night and day... Why ? Not because of the extra dmg mitigation - but because of armour passives.

- Medium armour gives you 12% extra wepon dmg & stamina recover & lower stamina abilities cost.
- Heavy armour gives you more health, health recovery, more healing and more resource management.

The problem with medium armour is Survivability. It offers better dodge chance... but seeing how 90% of skills used in PvP are AOE (that you can't dodge) or just skill that can't be dodged in general (like warden's Cliff Racer or sorc Haunting Curse) the only thing left for NB is a cloack - but then again - way too many thing that can counter that (dots, Magelight, Expert Hunter, poisons, Revealing Flare, Haunting Curse, any AOE... )
Medium could be good but only if in 1v1 scenario and with low ping / lag. How often that happens in cyro ?

In heavy armour you have excellent survivability compared to medium armour. And even if you lack those extra 12% dmg and some weapon crit - in medium armour you are way to squishy. To the point were this extra dmg & crit does not matter because you will die way to fast to even have a chance to see this extra dmg (that is unless you are lucky enough to fight/gank against new players who yet have no clue how to counter NB).

And here are some words form an NB player expert regarding heavy armour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOZawLrS9f4&t=1422s

As for the sets I am currently using:
- 5 pcs Seventh Legion
- 4-5 pcs Morag Tong
- 1 pcs Domihaus
- 1 pcs Molag Kena
Infused on big parts, Sturdy on shield, Impenetrable on small parts.

This is my temporary setup till I will find something better (but it works surprisingly well ).
I have a feeling that you can swap Morag Tong with something else here that might work better - like Spriggan's Thorns or Draugr Hulk.

My future plan is to try out Shacklebreaker + Draugr Hulk (both 5 pcs) + 1 pcs Domihaus. That way I should have way more stamina than I need + some extra magicka for cloak & fear - and possibly WW heals.

KingMagaw

I am a non cloak solo HA stamblade in NO CP PvP, works quite well and rotation is basic - learning the environments and escaping the zergs will be your best move LOL

x5 impen 7th legion on the body (though i play to change this soon)
x3 Jewels and Sword/Shield Werewolf hide. Sword infused weapon damage glyph
x1 vMA axe back bar with infused poison glyph (When you crit charge you apply 3 DOTS)
x2 Troll king heavy impen;

I use mark in open world to get those ganking fools and swallow soul if no gankers around. heroic slash, defensive posture, vigor and Mirage the speed buff one. Shield ult is life to escape being zerged down.
Crit charge, surprise attack, relentless focus, forward momentum and fear. Incap for major defile and spammable.

I play open world, escape zergs, 1vX using LoS. it is not an OP build but workls nicely even against experienced players are you debuff and self buff a lot with this setup.

Grimhallow

Blanco wrote: »

...your only option is dying but you may get some kills along the way if you find bad players...

...nothing worse you can do for yourself than run medium armor ... unplayable...

...This is not debatable...

...The only conceivable way to run medium would be some combination of chudan, fortified brass etc...

Lol.


#thisisdebatable

Blanco wrote: »

You see what you're doing here.... what you're doing is not accounting for the fact that Heavy is flat out better.

I've never seen anything die faster than a medium stamblade.

You see what you're doing here.... what you're doing is not accounting for LIGHT ARMOR STAMBLADE.

See the thing is I've never seen anything die faster than a potato, regardless of class and armor type.

Medium Armor is super viable, though both heavy and medium obviously excel in different areas.

Grimhallow

whoops double post

ankeor

So which is better? Blue or red?