Help me with my Stam Warden Build

Jjitsuboy98

So i have been a long time DK player and after hearing how powerful the Warden is I grinded one up but am having a few problems and would like some advice.

My race is Argonian
Max CP

So right now I'm just running what I ran on my Stam DK. 5 seventh legion and 5 werewolf hide with 2 blood spawn.

1HS bar is Ice fortress, Vigor, shimmering, spores, and either falcon or netch.

2 H bar is Sub assault , forward momentum, stampede, executioner, and dizzy swing.
Trees and dawn breaker for ultimate.

I am solo player and duel some so that is the main goal.

My main issues are sustain stats are around 25 k health and 30 k stamina. 1100 Stam recovery.

So the damage seems a bit low and I'm really questioning were wolf hide as a set. The sustain is a little low as I am used to igneous and battle roar. What is the main method of doing burst because dizzy swing sucks and I hate it. I know a sub assault combo with something is awesome. Is cliff racer good? Also when outnumbered what is your main defense. On Stam DK I ran three block cost reductions but it seems that warden isn't able to block as good.

Suggestions on sets, play style, and skill setups are appreciated .

Adenoma

I would run 5x alchemist back bar, 5x 7th Legion on jewels and body. 2x malubeth. Asylum battle axe. Ditch the gap closer so that you can run green lotus. Ditch netch for bird of prey. Pop an immovable pot on your S&B bar, then you have 15s of absurd damage and immovability.

Lexxypwns

This build works open world, I run it a lot. You probably need to heavy attack more. Dizzy is mediocre but it’s a pug-slayer. If you’ve got room to fit reverb back bar you can run dive instead.

You can run dw+SnB for more damage and use Dive+reverb as part of your burst with sub+DB but then you need to run medium with shuffle.

You can run 2h+dw but you lose out on block and you can back bar 2h with SnB front bar

Jjitsuboy98

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This build works open world, I run it a lot. You probably need to heavy attack more. Dizzy is mediocre but it’s a pug-slayer. If you’ve got room to fit reverb back bar you can run dive instead.

You can run dw+SnB for more damage and use Dive+reverb as part of your burst with sub+DB but then you need to run medium with shuffle.

You can run 2h+dw but you lose out on block and you can back bar 2h with SnB front bar

What are your jewlery enchantments

Jjitsuboy98

Adenoma wrote: »

I would run 5x alchemist back bar, 5x 7th Legion on jewels and body. 2x malubeth. Asylum battle axe. Ditch the gap closer so that you can run green lotus. Ditch netch for bird of prey. Pop an immovable pot on your S&B bar, then you have 15s of absurd damage and immovability.

As an argonian that would leave my stamina pool at what 26 27 k?

Adenoma

You're relying on weapon damage, not max stam. When I proc glyph, alchemist, and Legion I'm around 5.5k weapon damage without continuous attack.

Jjitsuboy98

Adenoma wrote: »

You're relying on weapon damage, not max stam. When I proc glyph, alchemist, and Legion I'm around 5.5k weapon damage without continuous attack.

Interesting seems powerful

Jjitsuboy98

Adenoma wrote: »

You're relying on weapon damage, not max stam. When I proc glyph, alchemist, and Legion I'm around 5.5k weapon damage without continuous attack.

When outnumbered do you rely on major expedition to kite or rely on block?

Adenoma

Porque no los dos?

Jjitsuboy98

I think getting the shield ultimate will help alot

Lexxypwns

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This build works open world, I run it a lot. You probably need to heavy attack more. Dizzy is mediocre but it’s a pug-slayer. If you’ve got room to fit reverb back bar you can run dive instead.

You can run dw+SnB for more damage and use Dive+reverb as part of your burst with sub+DB but then you need to run medium with shuffle.

You can run 2h+dw but you lose out on block and you can back bar 2h with SnB front bar

What are your jewlery enchantments

1x damage 1x regen 1x shield play or 2x damage 1x regen. I use the shield play in BGs where you can afford to sacrifice a bit of damage and healing and being able to block more is extra helpful for contesting objectives imo.

With alch+7th as @Adenoma is suggesting you get insane burst damage and you can get more regen by using Lava foot soup which gives max stam and stam regen. This means you get an extra damage glyph or a shield play enchant in place of a regen glyph

Thogard

Drop WWH and add clever alchemist.

But that is a pvp build not a duel build. Dizzy swing isnt that great 1v1

Jjitsuboy98

Thogard wrote: »

Drop WWH and add clever alchemist.

But that is a pvp build not a duel build. Dizzy swing isnt that great 1v1

Okay. I'll try that. What would u recommend in a duel. Ransack? Heroic slash? Paired with reverb?

Jjitsuboy98

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This build works open world, I run it a lot. You probably need to heavy attack more. Dizzy is mediocre but it’s a pug-slayer. If you’ve got room to fit reverb back bar you can run dive instead.

You can run dw+SnB for more damage and use Dive+reverb as part of your burst with sub+DB but then you need to run medium with shuffle.

You can run 2h+dw but you lose out on block and you can back bar 2h with SnB front bar

What are your jewlery enchantments

1x damage 1x regen 1x shield play or 2x damage 1x regen. I use the shield play in BGs where you can afford to sacrifice a bit of damage and healing and being able to block more is extra helpful for contesting objectives imo.

With alch+7th as @Adenoma is suggesting you get insane burst damage and you can get more regen by using Lava foot soup which gives max stam and stam regen. This means you get an extra damage glyph or a shield play enchant in place of a regen glyph

I'll have to make it. But I will try that .

Jjitsuboy98

Temporarily trying out fury and seventh noticed with three block cost reductions my weapon damage in an earlier fight was almost 4 k

Lexxypwns

Your spammable in a duel is dive and your cc is reverb

Jjitsuboy98

Made alchemist. Running it with seventh and blood spawn.

Thogard

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Your spammable in a duel is dive and your cc is reverb

Sigh.

I drop dizzy for bird and sshimmerinv shield for reverb when i duel. Playing Warden makes me feel so unoriginal lol

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Made alchemist. Running it with seventh and blood spawn.

Welcome to the club... if you are redguard and VMA 2h then you have same gear, skills, and race as me lol.

Tfw im not a special snowflake

AverageJo3Gam3r

Right after morrowind dropped I leveled a warden and played it a bit. I ran shackle, bone pirate, and troll king, DW+1HS. Burst combo was sub+dive+DW heavy attack. Can time to hit all at the same time. Steel tornado is your pseudo execute.

Jjitsuboy98

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Right after morrowind dropped I leveled a warden and played it a bit. I ran shackle, bone pirate, and troll king, DW+1HS. Burst combo was sub+dive+DW heavy attack. Can time to hit all at the same time. Steel tornado is your pseudo execute.

How good would shackle and bone pirate be compared to seventh and alchemist? Damage wise? Still having a bit of sustain issues.

Jjitsuboy98

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Your spammable in a duel is dive and your cc is reverb

Sigh.

I drop dizzy for bird and sshimmerinv shield for reverb when i duel. Playing Warden makes me feel so unoriginal lol

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Made alchemist. Running it with seventh and blood spawn.

Welcome to the club... if you are redguard and VMA 2h then you have same gear, skills, and race as me lol.

Tfw im not a special snowflake

How much better do u like warden than Stam do? I still need practice but right now I still like Stam DK better just because my healing and sustain are still better. I guess u trace burst for dots. I'm still l2p warden tho. Ima try dive and reverb because dizzy is making me angry. To much damn lag

SirDopey

Since clockwork city came out I've been running 5 bone pirate, 3 Agility and 2 Earthgore, all weapon damage glyphs. Vma 2hander front bar and VMA sword and board back bar. Smiting on front bar, Trees on back. Orc

I use cutting dive to wear away at enemy resources by making them have to either permablock, shield or kite. Then use a charge, sub assault, executioner combo to do the real damage.

If I'm getting overwelmed or low on resources switch to back bar and use heroic slash to get stam back quickly. I'm very mindful of my earthgore procs - ensuring I don't pop trees too soon or too long since it went off, giving we good uptime of big heals between the two.

Even though I'm now in 5 medium I feel just as tanky as I did on my pre clockwork, build but with a lot more damage now.

I've considered subbing the agility + VMA weapons for brass fortress but haven't tried it yet.

Jjitsuboy98

SirDopey wrote: »

Since clockwork city came out I've been running 5 bone pirate, 3 Agility and 2 Earthgore, all weapon damage glyphs. Vma 2hander front bar and VMA sword and board back bar. Smiting on front bar, Trees on back. Orc

I use cutting dive to wear away at enemy resources by making them have to either permablock, shield or kite. Then use a charge, sub assault, executioner combo to do the real damage.

If I'm getting overwelmed or low on resources switch to back bar and use heroic slash to get stam back quickly. I'm very mindful of my earthgore procs - ensuring I don't pop trees too soon or too long since it went off, giving we good uptime of big heals between the two.

Even though I'm now in 5 medium I feel just as tanky as I did on my pre clockwork, build but with a lot more damage now.

I've considered subbing the agility + VMA weapons for brass fortress but haven't tried it yet.

Equipped bone pirate and shackle tonight and my tooltip were high as when im I'm fully priced with seventh and alchemist

Adenoma

With 5x medium?

Lexxypwns

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Since clockwork city came out I've been running 5 bone pirate, 3 Agility and 2 Earthgore, all weapon damage glyphs. Vma 2hander front bar and VMA sword and board back bar. Smiting on front bar, Trees on back. Orc

I use cutting dive to wear away at enemy resources by making them have to either permablock, shield or kite. Then use a charge, sub assault, executioner combo to do the real damage.

If I'm getting overwelmed or low on resources switch to back bar and use heroic slash to get stam back quickly. I'm very mindful of my earthgore procs - ensuring I don't pop trees too soon or too long since it went off, giving we good uptime of big heals between the two.

Even though I'm now in 5 medium I feel just as tanky as I did on my pre clockwork, build but with a lot more damage now.

I've considered subbing the agility + VMA weapons for brass fortress but haven't tried it yet.

Equipped bone pirate and shackle tonight and my tooltip were high as when im I'm fully priced with seventh and alchemist

But that 7th legion heal tho...

Jjitsuboy98

Adenoma wrote: »

With 5x medium? Five heavy 2 medium

Jjitsuboy98

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Since clockwork city came out I've been running 5 bone pirate, 3 Agility and 2 Earthgore, all weapon damage glyphs. Vma 2hander front bar and VMA sword and board back bar. Smiting on front bar, Trees on back. Orc

I use cutting dive to wear away at enemy resources by making them have to either permablock, shield or kite. Then use a charge, sub assault, executioner combo to do the real damage.

If I'm getting overwelmed or low on resources switch to back bar and use heroic slash to get stam back quickly. I'm very mindful of my earthgore procs - ensuring I don't pop trees too soon or too long since it went off, giving we good uptime of big heals between the two.

Even though I'm now in 5 medium I feel just as tanky as I did on my pre clockwork, build but with a lot more damage now.

I've considered subbing the agility + VMA weapons for brass fortress but haven't tried it yet.

Equipped bone pirate and shackle tonight and my tooltip were high as when im I'm fully priced with seventh and alchemist

But that 7th legion heal tho...

I haven't really payrd attention to the heal. How significant is it. I like the extra health on the clever seventh build 32 k health

Thogard

check out my vids in this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383734/build-vid-stam-dk-bg-small-scale-pvp-build-the-narcissist-cwc-rdy/

Jjitsuboy98

Thogard wrote: »

check out my vids in this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383734/build-vid-stam-dk-bg-small-scale-pvp-build-the-narcissist-cwc-rdy/

I'll watch this when i get home.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Your spammable in a duel is dive and your cc is reverb

Sigh.

I drop dizzy for bird and sshimmerinv shield for reverb when i duel. Playing Warden makes me feel so unoriginal lol

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Made alchemist. Running it with seventh and blood spawn.

Welcome to the club... if you are redguard and VMA 2h then you have same gear, skills, and race as me lol.

Tfw im not a special snowflake

How much better do u like warden than Stam do? I still need practice but right now I still like Stam DK better just because my healing and sustain are still better. I guess u trace burst for dots. I'm still l2p warden tho. Ima try dive and reverb because dizzy is making me angry. To much damn lag

As someone with a Stam Warden and Stam DK, I like both a lot. The problem for Stam DK comes from his lack of good stam tool kits from his Class tree, so he relies on Werewolf Hide/other Ult gain options for Sustain. He's also not great with sustained damage either.

Stam Warden can do both--have good sustain in both resources and damage.

I went out with a group of 3 Saturday. 1 Temp healer, 2 Stam Wardens and both our DB going off together, we came very close to taking out the emperor's 10 man group. We would just weave in and out of groups just the 3 of us, kiting and focusing targets while huge zergs were all around us. Was pretty amazing to fight in that chaos.

Once I get better I'll probably remove Stampede for Lotus on my 2H bar.

Lexxypwns

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Since clockwork city came out I've been running 5 bone pirate, 3 Agility and 2 Earthgore, all weapon damage glyphs. Vma 2hander front bar and VMA sword and board back bar. Smiting on front bar, Trees on back. Orc

I use cutting dive to wear away at enemy resources by making them have to either permablock, shield or kite. Then use a charge, sub assault, executioner combo to do the real damage.

If I'm getting overwelmed or low on resources switch to back bar and use heroic slash to get stam back quickly. I'm very mindful of my earthgore procs - ensuring I don't pop trees too soon or too long since it went off, giving we good uptime of big heals between the two.

Even though I'm now in 5 medium I feel just as tanky as I did on my pre clockwork, build but with a lot more damage now.

I've considered subbing the agility + VMA weapons for brass fortress but haven't tried it yet.

Equipped bone pirate and shackle tonight and my tooltip were high as when im I'm fully priced with seventh and alchemist

But that 7th legion heal tho...

I haven't really payrd attention to the heal. How significant is it. I like the extra health on the clever seventh build 32 k health

In a 3 minute duel the other day on my stam DK, 7th outhealed rally. It’ll proc more with more opponents as well since there’s no cooldown.

It’s really broken OP, pair it with either malu or troll for max cheese.

The 1vX meta is definitely 7th+Malu+X where X is whatever extra you want to add to the already complete warden kit