Tired of Inventory Micromanagement

elijafire

Stop making half the crap in the game BoE reduce drop rates of all sets by 95%. Problem solved. Sell all the stuff you "may" use "someday" then just buy it back when you finally decide to pull the trigger.

Tandor

Perhaps the Crown Store should sell a new assistant, by way of a Pawnbroker. All those suffering from YNKWTMCIH Syndrome (that's You Never Know When That Might Come In Handy) can sell their unneeded items to him and buy them back later if and when they do need them, on the basis that he (or she, no cause to discriminate) will always hold onto them.

Defilted

I have ESO+ and I am always trying to figure out which set items to toss. I wish I could keep them all. I would love to be able to collect all the sets so i can use them when I want.

Armor dummies so I can hang them in my house would be welcomed as well.

Also buying more space in game or in the crown store would be fine by me.

Osteos

Leloush wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

The more inventory they give you the more you will hoard.

Thank you, captain. I'll continue: the more you will hoard, the more you play this game.

Nah the more complaining you will do on the forums. We just had our bank space doubled in June, if you have already filled it up there really isn't any point in ZOS giving more space. You don't know how to manage it as is, giving you more is pointless. You'll be right back in the same position.

megnin

ChimeraDeux wrote: »

I would like to be able to craft mannequins, that i could store my armour and weapon sets on. That way I could go to my house and choose what to wear. This would free up my inventory and i would have an actual use for my house.

^^^^ THIS! So much, THIS! ^^^^

Sell the mannequins like the practice dummies. Let the gear show on them just like it does on your character. I'd buy 20 of them!

LiquidPony

Osteos wrote: »

Leloush wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

The more inventory they give you the more you will hoard.

Thank you, captain. I'll continue: the more you will hoard, the more you play this game.

Nah the more complaining you will do on the forums. We just had our bank space doubled in June, if you have already filled it up there really isn't any point in ZOS giving more space. You don't know how to manage it as is, giving you more is pointless. You'll be right back in the same position.

I manage my inventory just fine, thank-you-very-much.

I don't get why it's always "your problem is that you are a big dumb-dumb, obviously, because I do not have this problem," rather than "oh, you've got a problem, and you're probably a moderately intelligent and rational player who has tried to resolve it and failed, so maybe this is a real issue."

There is a lot of gear in the game. Most of it is bound. The meta changes every couple months. Inventory management is a pain for a wide variety of players, as evidenced by this thread. In my case, and the same goes for most people I know, the pain of inventory management is trying to keep gear on hand (on multiple toons) to be able to help optimize a group no matter how it is composed. Doubly an issue on toons that I also run in vMA, vDSA and PvP (and then of course there's stuff for Cyrodiil and stuff for IC and stuff for BGs), since those require very different setups.

Housing "gear mannequins" or some similar feature would resolve the vast majority of my inventory issues because gear (and not "save it for a rainy day" gear but rather "I need this for some specific piece of content that I run regularly" gear) takes up the vast majority of my bag and bank space.

DMuehlhausen

Leloush wrote: »

Im very tired. Why you develepoers cant just make a chest in da house where i can collect all my gear?

Why i should everytime decide which set i should throw in a trash?

This micromanagement makes me pissed off. I cant relax playing this game. I cant collect everything i loot. I should switch my characters and remember where i hold a piece of set.

Stop it. ZOS. Make houses what they should be.

You don't need everything you loot? Even if you have 14 characters there are only several gear sets that are needed...with the craft bag you should be fine...

Stop complaining about a problem you're creating by thinking you need every last thing that drops. No game gives you that much storage. Even if they say gave us 1000 chests in the smallest house with 100k slots in each. People would still find a way to fill it up then complain there isn't enough storage space.

Why can't have I have each pile of wood as a single stack..THIS IS BS ZOS FIX YOUR GAME!!!! give me a break

LiquidPony

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Leloush wrote: »

Im very tired. Why you develepoers cant just make a chest in da house where i can collect all my gear?

Why i should everytime decide which set i should throw in a trash?

This micromanagement makes me pissed off. I cant relax playing this game. I cant collect everything i loot. I should switch my characters and remember where i hold a piece of set.

Stop it. ZOS. Make houses what they should be.

You don't need everything you loot? Even if you have 14 characters there are only several gear sets that are needed...with the craft bag you should be fine...

Stop complaining about a problem you're creating by thinking you need every last thing that drops. No game gives you that much storage. Even if they say gave us 1000 chests in the smallest house with 100k slots in each. People would still find a way to fill it up then complain there isn't enough storage space.

Why can't have I have each pile of wood as a single stack..THIS IS BS ZOS FIX YOUR GAME!!!! give me a break

There are only several gear sets that are needed?

Maybe if you are a potato.

If you raid with a stamDK you might need to swap between Sunderflame/NMG/Morag Tong/Powerful Assault/Hunding's Rage/TFS/VO/Briarheart depending on group comp and what everyone else is running. You'll want totally different gear for PvP. Probably want daggers for Maelstrom and dagger/axe for Trials, maybe in some different traits (e.g., might run Infused/Sharp in vMA and Infused/Precise in raids).

I don't want to have to keep 7 or 8 full sets of gear on my characters but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

Merlin13KAGL

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Easy solution...make unlimited housing storage an ESO Plus perk. This way, they can draw in new subscribers for those who really care(there are plenty of people who do and will sell each and every piece they aren't currently using) and give players what they want. Simply put...unlimited housing storage and limited player bags if ESO Plus.

Unlimited storage should never happen. There are limits to what is reasonable based on performance.

Even performance in Fallout and TES single player games tanks if you throw all your stuff in a container or keep it in inventory with unlimited carry weight. And that is just your personal junk, not an index of everyone's stored items. Sure, they will use a more optimized design and more powerful hardware for ESO, but even that reaches its limit. Both retrieval of item lists and scrolling through container contents can become a major problem without limits on storage in an individual container.

More stacking can help, but gear can only be stacked so much with differences in charge for weapons and damage for gear & siege (assuming we looking at predominantly max level gear). And stacking gear adds a problem. Right now, stacking is based on a static list of items and does not consider the state of the item. I believe Fallout games will stack weapons or armor with the same states, but I don't believe stacking has any of that yet in ESO. Consider all the dimensions that can make gear different in ESO: level, style, enchantment (which has its own dimensions), trait, set, piece, dye, bound/unbound, quality, charge/degradation. That is a lot of compare when auto-stacking. If you decide to have a lookup table for every combination to speed up auto-stacking, you end up with an absurdly large lookup table that is broken if you ever change the scale for charges or gear degradation.

I do agree though with the claim that ZOS purposefully makes inventory a mess to encourage subs.

@DaveMoeDee the overhead wouldn't be great at all if designed well.

If each item (generic 'item' object/structure) could have a number field indicating the total stack allowed, from 0-200. The only time this would get checked is when an item goes into inventory. With the character, you're talking a scan of 200 items, max. With the bank, 240. The routine would simply check first for matching item ID. If a match was found, it would then check the secondary qualifiers.

All items are already in memory, at that point, so the scan would take very little time. This would remedy the unlimited storage issue by having each housing container hold a limited number of items.

Plenty of ways to split the difference efficiently and effectively.

Merlin13KAGL

Leloush wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

The more inventory they give you the more you will hoard.

Thank you, captain. I'll continue: the more you will hoard, the more you play this game.

Perhaps another 'paper doll' UI implemented that would show, across all characters, which pieces and how many you had of a particular set.

You shouldn't have to use three different addons and a Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Ring to tell when a set you're after is finally complete... 'Duped' items could then just automatically get marked for decon, with decon list working similarly to how vendors' buy back tab works. Effectively unlimited for decon purposes, but after an items falls off the bottom of the list, there is no un-marking possible?

Rohaus

I would actually care about housing if i could store stuff in a house... as it stands right now... I have YET to do anything with housing... I did visit a friends free apartment to see how he decorated it and got a good laugh with all the stuff he had in there considering how small it is.

Grabmoore

Osteos wrote: »

The more inventory they give you the more you will hoard.

...but I already have every monster helm and shoulder in any trait and weight (except for earthgore), all vMA/dsa weapons I need, all stam PvE sets(except morag tong), all mag Dps sets, all heal sets and a couple of PvP sets and weapons. I don't need to hoard more, I just want to space to actually play the game ...

FakeFox

Isn't deciding what's worth keeping and what not part of the fun in loot based games? At least for me it is.

tunepunk

FakeFox wrote: »

Isn't deciding what's worth keeping and what not part of the fun in loot based games? At least for me it is.

Completely agree. I don't get why people have to hoard stuff? I never had any problem with bank space. I pretty much deconstruct or sell everything to vendor that I don't want or need.

The only things I save is a couple of set items that fit my characters build/playstyle.

kringled_1

I don't have an issue with BOE items. I have access to a guild bank with a mostly inactive guild where I can stash interesting but not priority sets. If one of the other few players who is active grabs a set and puts it to use, even better. It's dungeon BOP items that are problematic. There are some sets that I can decide will never be useful to me and junk right away. Top sets are a clear keep. But there's a lot of sets somewhere in between, at least by eyeballing the bonuses. The problem is, I can't really test a lot of them properly as I don't have enough pieces (most often jewelry or weapons) to try them as I would like to use them. Some are also fit for characters I haven't fully leveled yet, so testing is also hard for those ones even if I have enough pieces.

CapnPhoton

I've never met an MMO with unlimited storage. Every game I have played makes you work at expanding it. It is a different scenario than a single player game, where the save information is on your local machine. Because it is all server side, thousands of players have their stashes on a server somewhere. They have no choice but to limit it. Even with a single player game, having too much stuff has been known to corrupt game saves.

DMuehlhausen

LiquidPony wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Leloush wrote: »

Im very tired. Why you develepoers cant just make a chest in da house where i can collect all my gear?

Why i should everytime decide which set i should throw in a trash?

This micromanagement makes me pissed off. I cant relax playing this game. I cant collect everything i loot. I should switch my characters and remember where i hold a piece of set.

Stop it. ZOS. Make houses what they should be.

You don't need everything you loot? Even if you have 14 characters there are only several gear sets that are needed...with the craft bag you should be fine...

Stop complaining about a problem you're creating by thinking you need every last thing that drops. No game gives you that much storage. Even if they say gave us 1000 chests in the smallest house with 100k slots in each. People would still find a way to fill it up then complain there isn't enough storage space.

Why can't have I have each pile of wood as a single stack..THIS IS BS ZOS FIX YOUR GAME!!!! give me a break

There are only several gear sets that are needed?

Maybe if you are a potato.

If you raid with a stamDK you might need to swap between Sunderflame/NMG/Morag Tong/Powerful Assault/Hunding's Rage/TFS/VO/Briarheart depending on group comp and what everyone else is running. You'll want totally different gear for PvP. Probably want daggers for Maelstrom and dagger/axe for Trials, maybe in some different traits (e.g., might run Infused/Sharp in vMA and Infused/Precise in raids).

I don't want to have to keep 7 or 8 full sets of gear on my characters but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

No the question is do you need all those sets to complete all the content? I'm guessing the answer is no. Does maybe switching sets, or a piece or there make things a little easier or more effecient? I'm sure it does, but your confusing what is needed and what is wanted.

LiquidPony

FakeFox wrote: »

Isn't deciding what's worth keeping and what not part of the fun in loot based games? At least for me it is.

Not for me, not at all. It's the opposite of fun.

For me loot is a means to an end, it's not the end game.

tunepunk wrote:

Completely agree. I don't get why people have to hoard stuff? I never had any problem with bank space. I pretty much deconstruct or sell everything to vendor that I don't want or need.

The only things I save is a couple of set items that fit my characters build/playstyle.

Keeping stuff you actually use isn't "hoarding."

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Leloush wrote: »

Im very tired. Why you develepoers cant just make a chest in da house where i can collect all my gear?

Why i should everytime decide which set i should throw in a trash?

This micromanagement makes me pissed off. I cant relax playing this game. I cant collect everything i loot. I should switch my characters and remember where i hold a piece of set.

Stop it. ZOS. Make houses what they should be.

You don't need everything you loot? Even if you have 14 characters there are only several gear sets that are needed...with the craft bag you should be fine...

Stop complaining about a problem you're creating by thinking you need every last thing that drops. No game gives you that much storage. Even if they say gave us 1000 chests in the smallest house with 100k slots in each. People would still find a way to fill it up then complain there isn't enough storage space.

Why can't have I have each pile of wood as a single stack..THIS IS BS ZOS FIX YOUR GAME!!!! give me a break

There are only several gear sets that are needed?

Maybe if you are a potato.

If you raid with a stamDK you might need to swap between Sunderflame/NMG/Morag Tong/Powerful Assault/Hunding's Rage/TFS/VO/Briarheart depending on group comp and what everyone else is running. You'll want totally different gear for PvP. Probably want daggers for Maelstrom and dagger/axe for Trials, maybe in some different traits (e.g., might run Infused/Sharp in vMA and Infused/Precise in raids).

I don't want to have to keep 7 or 8 full sets of gear on my characters but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

No the question is do you need all those sets to complete all the content? I'm guessing the answer is no. Does maybe switching sets, or a piece or there make things a little easier or more effecient? I'm sure it does, but your confusing what is needed and what is wanted.

And again, some people just don't seem capable of understanding the key point here: different people play the game in different ways. I don't care about "completing" content. Just about anything in this game can be completed with a full group of people running the Broom & Bucket. I care about scores. The way inventory works right now is a real PITA for people who care about optimizing builds and groups.

This is like me going into the never-ending load screen complaint threads and, in the haughtiest, douchiest tone I can muster saying: "But you don't need to play PvP. Go do something else and stop complaining. I have not had any load screen problems." Of course, I'd guess you've probably also said something similar to that.

Word of the day: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empathy

RexyCat

MrGarlic wrote: »

I have 11 characters and quite frankly, 480 bank slots is not enough space to collect gear for them plus store items for sale that I can't get on my guild traders as the limit for items for sale is 30 at a time. (Most of my characters have their own inventories maxed to 200)

Bank space should be infinite or at least significantly higher than 480. The micromanagement required at the moment is annoying and I am at times, forced to deconstruct or delete items that I would otherwise have liked to have kept.

Also, a text search box on the bank and personal inventory should be an intrinsic part of the game, not requiring an addon.

The interface in this game really could do with some tender loving care to make the game look contemporary and not like something from 1995.

IMHO

I agree with you on that and it isn't only gear. My thing is to do writs and collect treasure maps. If you have two of the same map you can't store then in bank which is very annoying. I bought both NPC for handling bank and vendor things while being out to explore the world. Why can't they make those item stack?

Moving around maps on different PC isn't fun and take a lot of time. I don't need to kill 500 bosses a day or other player in PvP, but enjoy treasure hunting and collecting mats from survey maps. Don't think I am the only one who likes to this in this game.

Personofsecrets

Leloush wrote: »

Im very tired. Why you develepoers cant just make a chest in da house where i can collect all my gear?

Why i should everytime decide which set i should throw in a trash?

This micromanagement makes me pissed off. I cant relax playing this game. I cant collect everything i loot. I should switch my characters and remember where i hold a piece of set.

Stop it. ZOS. Make houses what they should be.

@ZOS_RichLambert

Can you work on this more. Inventory management continues to be one of the worst aspects of this game.

We can't collect much furniture because it clogs up the bank.

We can't collect much gear for the same reason.

If we do those above things, then we get stuck unable to level alts because they are mules and get inventory locked unless we spend 2 hours undoing the inventory knots.

Defilted

Inventory manager 5000 is one of my favorite mini games.

Leloush

Expand your inventory with new dungeon week!

ol_BANK_lo

Leloush wrote: »

Im very tired. Why you develepoers cant just make a chest in da house where i can collect all my gear?

Why i should everytime decide which set i should throw in a trash?

This micromanagement makes me pissed off. I cant relax playing this game. I cant collect everything i loot. I should switch my characters and remember where i hold a piece of set.

Stop it. ZOS. Make houses what they should be.

Although many of the posts on here are quite whiny, I get what you are saying. I never remember what gear is where. PC has the ability to see look something up, and it will show all the pieces with that name and which character they are on. The addition of double bank spaces for Plus players was hugely helpful. ZOS kept coming out with the new armor and monster sets to try, and every character was full, along with my bank. Well, my bank is now almost full again, and all of my toons have max bank space, and are fairly full. I'm sure i could widdle it down, but it is annoying to keep re-logging and moving stuff around to see what you have.

When double bank space first came out, my plan was to move everything I wasn't using on a character to the bank, so it was all centrally located. It worked for awhile, but tough to maintain as it fills up again. A search tool would be nice for console. That would help. So would even more bank space. I don't actually understand the bank limits other than they want you to make choices.

As I collect new gear, I don't want to dispose of the old gear. Never know if that Twice Born Star will come back. And if you are an end game person, you may want to have multiple traits of the same weapon, or multiple enchants, for specific situations. So, yes, searchable database and much larger bank space would really help.