Crown crates = stopped recommending ESO to friends
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✭Don't tell me let me guess....more whining over crown crates?
Jeeze talk about babies having tantrums.1 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.
Please explain how this is a gravy train...... The Gravy Train metaphore is used when someone is leeching off someone else or some thing....not when people who have means decide to spend their money as they choose.
It's is just a really ignorant and bitter statement, and it really reflects poorly on you to keep playing a game that you have nothing but disdain for.
Also keep dreaming because loot boxes are never going away, you can shout that it's coming all you want, but the more rational of us who understand how laws like this works knows you are full of hot air.Edited by Balamoor on November 25, 2017 4:41PM1 -
nolangrady✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.
I don't think you understand the term gravy train.5 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭nolangrady wrote: »This won't be a popular opinion and I could care less but what's with so many people being so concerned about optional in-game purchases? Do you campaign to end gambling where it is legal? Do you post on mobile game forums about their predatory practices? Nothing is forced upon you to purchase and unlike a lot of games the Crown Store is barely in your face.
What I believe this comes down to is a relatively large group of folks that plague "free to play" games. These individuals want to enjoy all aspects of the game for free. They want the craft bag free because it's not fair that most adults that play this game chooses to spend their hard earned money on a subscription. They want DLC access for free because it isn't fair they cannot use a particular item set. Free to play and buy to play games are plagued with gamers that do not want to contribute to the game financially but want to reap the same rewards. I understand some folks can't afford the $15 a month but why should the game be neutered because you spent $400 on a gaming console you cannot afford to play this game on?
The video game welfare mentality is worse than offering optional crown crates. This subset of gamers is why most free to play and optional subscription games have such toxic communities (toxicity directed towards the game and the folks that spend their money on it) in my opinion.
Again, this won't be a popular topic based on the dozens of recent posts about loot crates being the spawn of Satan and subscribers being elitists. Focus should be placed on how ZoS fails to deliver on fixing bugs and performance issues not on how I choose to spend my money.
Now let the ragefest begin....
You sir or Madam win this thread with a crit on your rational roll.
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✭✭Crown crates really hurt the game.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
GM of IMPERIUM since 2015.2 -
dmar613✭✭✭Blah blah, everyone's talking out the side of their mouth!4th Grand Overlord For DC Xbox One. 123,486 pvp kills Crip from the Sexy Time Slayers aka Leaps of Dreamz1 -
sekou_trayvond✭✭✭✭✭Dear lord. Was there an incident whereby Zenimax put a gun at people's heads and FORCED them to buy digital tchotchkes?
Yeah, didn't think so.
To borrow from John Oliver, how is this still a thing?2 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭sekou_trayvond wrote: »Dear lord. Was there an incident whereby Zenimax put a gun at people's heads and FORCED them to buy digital tchotchkes?
Yeah, didn't think so.
To borrow from John Oliver, how is this still a thing?
It's a thing because we have a certain segment of the internet that has a welfare game mentality...in which everything must be free and if you support anything that involves monitization you are evil.
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ChaosWotan✭✭✭✭✭When reading how several in this thread criticize the OP one might be tempted to conclude that they have not read the original post:
"Btw, in earlier threads I have defended the crown crates, and I used to be a "whale" myself in the CS, because I was naive enough to think that more money to ESO would result in better DLCs, but after seeing that 1) quarterly DLCs are too small, 2) the greedy ones have now introduced "extremely rare" apex mounts, not available through gem transactions, and 3) Cyrodiil still lacks new content since 2014, even an ESO addict like me must admit that the game isn't worth it."
It's not the crown crates alone which is the reason I don't recommend ESO as an rpg game anymore. It is the combination of insane prices in the CS and small DLCs with short storylines that can be finished in a week or less.
I never recommend any game unless it's really good, but have now stopped doing it in case of ESO, because of two reasons: 1) getting the coolest items can cost you up to a thousand dollars annually, and 2) 40-50 hours of new storyline content each year makes ESO like all the other games out there that you forget after having finished it in 1-4 weeks.
Paying up to a thousand dollars annually would have been worth it if the quarterly DLCs were long enough to play ESO regularly through the year, but once you have come to a point where you need new DLCs to continue the game, it doesn't make sense to invest much money in a game that you play 40-50 hours a year from then on.
ESO has become too much store, and too little roleplaying based on storylines and achievements, and too little grand scale pvp that made ESO outstanding the first years, until IC ruined the amazing Cyrodiil community we had earlier. So if anybody asks me if I can recommend an rpg game today, I would recommend them to wait until the next great mmo arrives, unless they are rich or just casual players. Partly based on the assumption that ESO will not upgrade the game engine to make it competitive the next five years.
But if ESO starts to create larger DLCs it will be right back on top, and that is why I have not given up on the game, but will just play other games until I have four new DLCs that will make it possible to spend 3-5 weeks on ESO again.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ChaosWotan wrote: »When reading how several in this thread criticize the OP one might be tempted to conclude that they have not read the original post:
"Btw, in earlier threads I have defended the crown crates, and I used to be a "whale" myself in the CS, because I was naive enough to think that more money to ESO would result in better DLCs, but after seeing that 1) quarterly DLCs are too small, 2) the greedy ones have now introduced "extremely rare" apex mounts, not available through gem transactions, and 3) Cyrodiil still lacks new content since 2014, even an ESO addict like me must admit that the game isn't worth it."
It's not the crown crates alone which is the reason I don't recommend ESO as an rpg game anymore. It is the combination of insane prices in the CS and small DLCs with short storylines that can be finished in a week or less.
I never recommend any game unless it's really good, but have now stopped doing it in case of ESO, because of two reasons: 1) getting the coolest items can cost you up to a thousand dollars annually
No, I read and understand it just fine. You spend thousands of dollars to apparently get some mount, and instead of taking personal responsibility for your spending habits you want to blame the company. Acting like they forced you to spend your money because you needed that mount so bad you didn't have the self control to tell yourself no.
And your very subjective opinion that the content they release being not worth how much you spend on the game is just that....a subjective opinion.
I understand fully. You have no spending self control and you blame anything but yourself. Who in thier right mind would spend thousands of dollars trying to get a mount? That's 100% on you...
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Motherball✭✭✭✭I honestly dont like most of the crown crate/store items. But why would I recommend that other people not support my favorite game? Then I have to do it and Im hella stingy. I think this game needs more rich stupid lazy people to try it out, personally.Edited by Motherball on November 25, 2017 6:07PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.
Stretched that a bit. Some people in two countries have come out recently to make statements that they think this should be looked into. Neither country has actively started looking into it, so far as I can see. A politician in Belgium and one (or was it two) in Hawaii.
These things operate in a legal grey area.
If it actually goes to court, that grey area is over, and like any smokescreen, it evaporates. Do not expect this to go away, politicans will jump on the train as soon as they see it as a way to get more public vote.1 -
PlautisCarvain✭✭✭✭Why would you stop recommending the game because you lost a couple of dollars in YOUR addiction to crown creates? Just tell them that crown crates don't worth it, the game itself really does.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sekou_trayvond wrote: »Dear lord. Was there an incident whereby Zenimax put a gun at people's heads and FORCED them to buy digital tchotchkes?
Yeah, didn't think so.
To borrow from John Oliver, how is this still a thing?
It's a thing because we have a certain segment of the internet that has a welfare game mentality...in which everything must be free and if you support anything that involves monitization you are evil.
...That isn't even remotely it.
I'd like to buy most of the stuff on the crown store, and would be happy to, if I didn't have to gamble for it, and it was priced reasonibly. Stop strawmanning and baiting the opposition please.
I wanna support the game, but I dont wanna gamble. What about this is so hard for you? What conditioning have you forced yourself through to equate these two?Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 25, 2017 6:28PM1 -
ChaosWotan✭✭✭✭✭Funny, many of you are actually defending that the coolest mounts are behind an up to 200 dollar paywall... You must be trolling, right?
I don't care about the money. Can pay twice as much if ESO creates large DLCs and give large scale pvp a serious upgrade, as I have mentioned in earlier threads a long time ago.
But ESO now is just another high-quality game among many competitors. It doesn't stand out anymore. But that can change. In the beginning, ESO didn't get the best reviews, but things improved after a year. Now they need to improve again. A little salt under their noses may wake them up, hopefully.2 -
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✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.
Stretched that a bit. Some people in two countries have come out recently to make statements that they think this should be looked into. Neither country has actively started looking into it, so far as I can see. A politician in Belgium and one (or was it two) in Hawaii.
These things operate in a legal grey area.
If it actually goes to court, that grey area is over, and like any smokescreen, it evaporates. Do not expect this to go away, politicans will jump on the train as soon as they see it as a way to get more public vote.
Oh, I don't expect it to go away. I expect there will be core folk who stick with it. What I do expect is that the politicians will wobble off to the next thing that they think will make a lovely sound-bite.
IF it goes to court, it will be one hellacious protracted battle. Consider the mess that might occur. Different countries, states etc. with different "takes" on it. Winners will be the attorneys...
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Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.
Stretched that a bit. Some people in two countries have come out recently to make statements that they think this should be looked into. Neither country has actively started looking into it, so far as I can see. A politician in Belgium and one (or was it two) in Hawaii.
These things operate in a legal grey area.
If it actually goes to court, that grey area is over, and like any smokescreen, it evaporates. Do not expect this to go away, politicans will jump on the train as soon as they see it as a way to get more public vote.
Oh, I don't expect it to go away. I expect there will be core folk who stick with it. What I do expect is that the politicians will wobble off to the next thing that they think will make a lovely sound-bite.
IF it goes to court, it will be one hellacious protracted battle. Consider the mess that might occur. Different countries, states etc. with different "takes" on it. Winners will be the attorneys...
Right that is what basically I was told....a time line of five and up to ten years given appeals processes.
As far as ESO goes even if the unlikley does happen it will be years if not a decade, and by then who cares?1 -
Mancombe_Nosehair✭✭✭✭✭You can buy a horse for 10k gold for goodness sake. I got a free one with the 4 dlc pack I got with the base game. You get one with Morrowind now also, for a limited period.
I wish people here would stop making out that you need to buy one with crowns to have one. The difference is the type of mounts available in the Crown store. Some people like the different mounts and styles etc (not my thing), but at the end of the day, you don't have to spend crowns to play the game in a full way.
Whilst I don't like the crown crates, at the end of the day, someone underage is not going to be able to buy lots of them without a credit or debit card, which they won't have without stealing from their parents. The game is 18+ anyway (I appreciate that there will be underage people here regardless).
Some people here really need to stop being drama queens and keyboard warriors. You aren't impressing anyone.4 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭luton0watford4 wrote: »You can buy a horse for 10k gold for goodness sake. I got a free one with the 4 dlc pack I got with the base game. You get one with Morrowind now also, for a limited period.
I wish people here would stop making out that you need to buy one with crowns to have one. The difference is the type of mounts available in the Crown store. Some people like the different mounts and styles etc (not my thing), but at the end of the day, you don't have to spend crowns to play the game in a full way.
Whilst I don't like the crown crates, at the end of the day, someone underage is not going to be able to buy lots of them without a credit or debit card, which they won't have without stealing from their parents. The game is 18+ anyway (I appreciate that there will be underage people here regardless).
Some people here really need to stop being drama queens and keyboard warriors. You aren't impressing anyone.
If you notice the moment the thread was moved those types immediately stopped posting. They are no longer the center of attention...so.
It just further proves all this nonsense is more about mock outrage than legitimate gripes.Edited by Balamoor on November 25, 2017 8:12PM3 -
Slyjinxy✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.
Boohoo, grow up. Again the crates do nothing to harm the game except by children like you who think they're standing on some sort of "principle". "Looking into" could mean anything. They probably said that to shut up a few whiny gamers. Most gamers don't care about nor buy loot crates.
What about Magic cards and the like? Should the government get involved in actual loot crates you get in the mail? Where would it stop? Do you really want those idiots involved in gaming?
One last thing. I'd be willing to bet come Tuesday you'll be gobbling up the free crates. That makes you a massive hypocrite.Edited by Slyjinxy on November 25, 2017 8:31PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.
Boohoo, grow up. Again the crates do nothing to harm the game except by children like you who think they're standing on some sort of "principle". "Looking into" could mean anything. They probably said that to shut up a few whiny gamers. Most gamers don't care about nor buy loot crates.
What about Magic cards and the like? Should the government get involved in actual loot crates you get in the mail? Where would it stop? Do you really want those idiots involved in gaming?
One last thing. I'd be willing to bet come Tuesday you'll be gobbling up the free crates. That makes you a massive hypocrite.
Yeah they do.
Take a look at Shadow of War vs Shadow of Mordor. See how fights are protracted, and see how the emphasis is put on these really tough orcs that you need on your side in order to snowball. See how they do much to stop you from attacking in order to keep you from not needing them.
...As for...magic cards? Loot crates in the mail? Those services have nothing to do with this, the hell are you on about?
As for the free crates....not really? I despise the practices and refuse to spend money on it, the 'free' part does nothing to violate that. Besides, it's just more consumables for me to pawn off, s'not like it's that great.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 25, 2017 9:08PM0 -
ChaosWotan✭✭✭✭✭lutonowatford4
Drama queen for pointing out that a game with the coolest items behind a 200 dollars paywall and small DLCs is not recommendable? Reality check: a ridiculous and desperate business strategy, and the persons defending it, deserves a good laughter, and they get it, in the real world, outside of the current ESO bubble.
Balamoor
No point debating with fanboys - or trolls?
Got flack when defending the crown crates last spring, from those who hate them, and now get flack when criticizing crown crates, from the opposite camp. Love that
But, sorry, the introduction of "extremely rare" apex mounts, combined with small DLCs, is good enough reason to change side in this debate.
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✭ChaosWotan wrote: »Funny, many of you are actually defending that the coolest mounts are behind an up to 200 dollar paywall...I don't care about the money.
lemme get this right. you dont like how much you have to spend, but dont care about the money. so whats it about?
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✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The whining about crown crates has become totally ridiculous.
1) They don't give anyone a game play advantage
2) They are 100% optional
3) Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money?
4) To discourage people from playing because of something so inconsequential and again OPTIONAL is childish
I have never spent a single dime on crates, they don't interest me. The only time I even think about them is when people start these stupid threads.
It is most certainly not something that detracts from the game in any way.
And yet, through all this apology, two countries are still looking at taking the legislative axe to them, following -outrage- over a issue persistant for years.
The gravy train is over, apologist.
Stretched that a bit. Some people in two countries have come out recently to make statements that they think this should be looked into. Neither country has actively started looking into it, so far as I can see. A politician in Belgium and one (or was it two) in Hawaii.
France and Australia have both started to investigate as well. Last time the UK's government got poked about it, they said it was currently legal, but that could change (though this was before BF2.)2 -
Urza1234✭✭✭✭I can understand where you are coming from.
It is unfortunate but the simple truth is that ESO has to make up for loss in profit from required subscription.
WoW can put out tons of content because of the consistent income from required subscription. Each update on their own brings a whole lot of content to the table. Each expansion literally changes (for the most part) what is going on in all the zones.
When ESO had required subscription they were able to bring Craglorn to the game.
But now ESO has to make money in other ways. This means most cosmetics are going to be in the Crown store. This means that they have to monetize other things.
I do not support loot boxes because that is pretty much wasting $$ on random stuff with results you can't know.
BUT these Lootboxes are Not tied to character/game progression. (like Battlefront II) Meaning that the only incentive is that they are cooler things in the game. That being said there should be parental controls on accounts that have underage players on them. This way to prevent kids from making transactions without parents knowing.
Personally I do not care for alot of the apex mount rewards, I think they look silly.
You have no *** clue whether ESO is profitable, or not, or by how much. Zenimax Media Inc. and subsidiaries are privately owned and dont release their financials.
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