Is it possible to nerf vMA based on ping?

ellettsrwb17_ESO

I can understand people playing in America can easily stroll through vMA on very low ping however for those of us who are forced to play on high ping it is literally impossible to beat.

Is it even possible to try and balance so that everyone has a chance of beating vMA? either that or make it possible to get the weapons another way, cause it kinda sucks that these weapons are gated behind a low ping requirement.

Tigeracer

I feel your pain, mate. Being from Australia, my average ping is between 249 and 320, with spikes over 800 when the action heats up.
Despite this grievance, I think it makes us better players in the end. I personally haven’t completed vMA yet (still up to stage 8), but I don’t want the handicap.

Judas Helviaryn

As an American who started this game with satellite internet, vMA is -extremely- doable with 300-800 ping. No joke, no lie, 800 was my low, and it was exceptionally playable.

Now, 1400-2000?
Absolutely not.

ellettsrwb17_ESO

Yea I play from West Australia, my ping averages around 300-400 which makes it hard but that isn't just the issue though, as playing on American servers the ping constantly spikes. When it spikes you basically just die, no way to recover as things will one shot as you are unable to avoid it.

Also Judas, the fact you think playing on 800 ping is extremely doable makes me think you have never actually played on 800 ping. You cannot even bar swap effectively on 800 ping, you will constantly lag out and it just simply wont swap bars, completely screwing your rotation.

Even if vMA stayed the same, there should be a way to be able to obtain the weapons for people who simply cannot beat vMA for reasons out of their control.

Milvan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjevpxw-qQ0


This is a brazilian player doing maelstrom with +200 ping.

Your argument is invalid.

HatchetHaro

Sounds like an L2P issue.

Scrap that; that is an L2P issue.

ellettsrwb17_ESO

You're joking right? There is a huge difference between Australia and Brazil. Australia is still 1.5 - 2x the ping of Brazil and constantly spikes because we are on the other side of the world. I wouldn't really mind if I could sit on 200 ping with no ping spikes.

Runefang

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Milvan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjevpxw-qQ0


This is a brazilian player doing maelstrom with +200 ping.

Your argument is invalid.

Have you ever dodge rolled a one-shot mechanic and on your screen you were clear from the red for well over a second. Then you were dead?

Happens a lot to Aussies.

Judas Helviaryn

ellettsrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Yea I play from West Australia, my ping averages around 300-400 which makes it hard but that isn't just the issue though, as playing on American servers the ping constantly spikes. When it spikes you basically just die, no way to recover as things will one shot as you are unable to avoid it.

Also Judas, the fact you think playing on 800 ping is extremely doable makes me think you have never actually played on 800 ping. You cannot even bar swap effectively on 800 ping, you will constantly lag out and it just simply wont swap bars, completely screwing your rotation.

Even if vMA stayed the same, there should be a way to be able to obtain the weapons for people who simply cannot beat vMA for reasons out of their control.

Well you're wrong on the barswapping. You can indeed do it just like anything else, granted you're not experiencing extreme jitter. Wish I could say I had time recorded with Hughesnet, but they had a nice ol' 15GB monthly data cap, and I had no reason to suspect I would be required to prove my tenure with their "wonderful" service online.

800 ping is exceptionally playable, even competitive so long as you build around your weaknesses, such as crowd control and break-free mechanics, but you have to have the mindset first.

Know why I stuck with ESO through it? It was all I could play online. Nothing else played nice with sattie.

Now again, I was never at 800 during the last year before finally getting cable in this area, I was averaging 1400-2k, all the way up to 3-4k in Cyrodiil.

I'm saying this for your sake, not mine. You can DO vMA. Stop looking for a handicap, build around your issues, and get to it.

EDIT: I actually found an old video from when I was playing around with both Bandicam and FRAPS. The resolution is god awful, because I was trying to reduce the size of the file as much as possible for transfer.

This was on a typically bad day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CFSCNYHNPY&feature=youtu.be

DoTHurts

Definitely makes it hard, ping of low 400's today on vMA. Got nMA sorted, started vet and can't get passed 3rd round of 1st arena at the moment. No room for mistakes with a good ping, 1 bung bar swap and it's good night.

Morgul667

The ping truly affects your playing experience, denying that is not really realistic

This being said, I live in Asia and have a ping between 300 and 500 ms with spikes at 999+. I can do VMA (dont have my flawless yet but this is cause I mainly PVP).

Stage 9 will be a true pain with your ping. The fight is not very hard but it does not allow for any mistake.... so the first times you will die a lot from you and your ping. But in time you'll learn to deal with it.

When I travel to europe, I find vma and vet content quite easier compared to what it is from asia.
Easier to manage survival and higher DPS (in Asia, when the red circle appears on your screen, you're already taking damage, happens quite often)

In the end the ping makes you a better player. You have to be reactive to survive but the learning curve is stiff.

ccfeeling

Lol , they won't understand .

Krayzie

I've had countless flawless runs ruined because of terrible lag on Xbox NA

monktoasty

If the problem doesn't effect them it can't possibly be true.

Bhaal5

Think not just vma, nerf whole game based on ping for the whole game (imagine cyrodiil and trials with issue, people could play in their own timezone)
Give us aussies and kiwis an fighting chance

Tannus15

Runefang wrote: »

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Milvan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjevpxw-qQ0


This is a brazilian player doing maelstrom with +200 ping.

Your argument is invalid.

Have you ever dodge rolled a one-shot mechanic and on your screen you were clear from the red for well over a second. Then you were dead?

Happens a lot to Aussies.

Hahaha, the latency at the bottom is white. I never see that. Like, ever.

I mean, I've completed vMA on multiple characters, it's very doable on 300ish ping, but I do find that 400+ things become very broken. Time lost in bar swapping is just insane. But maybe that's just because I'm used to 300 ping and not 400 ping.

ForsakenSin

i have to agree AUS ping is high... my ping is 200 -300 sometimes 400 and there its sooo dammmmm hard to finish VMSA .. you don't understand how HOW many time you put shield on and it didn't worl, you block and it dose not work .. or everything just fezzes everything just stops and your are running around and then boom dead...

or you bar swap bar swap bar swap BAR SWAP nothing ... dead ....

poison stage BAHAHAHAHAHAH ohh my god... you get poison you have full health and shield you enter the cleansing pool you die BAHAHAHA .... the last boss is about to enrage the lighting guy dose not put up a shield you die ..

that's the time you just turn it off there is nothing you can do to finish it

ellettsrwb17_ESO

Yea the difference between nMA and vMA is just absurd lol. One is like a solo delve and the other is like a vet trial.

If my ping could stay at a constant 300 I would be ok with that, hard but you get used to the timing and can effectively calculate time between each skill/bar swap. The problem is once you get to 400+ the timing often gets thrown out by spikes and rubber banding which just makes it pure luck based over skill/mechanic based.

I have already stated I don't mind if they keep vMA the way it is so long as they provide an alternate way to get the weapons.

Mirelurk

Wish they'd give us an Oceanic server so we could get rid of the ping [snip].

[Edited to remove inappropriate content/hate speech]

MrGarlic

The biggest issue I have with high ping (Kiwi here) is having to be methodical with key presses to ensure a skill has initiated. (Especially shields or bar swap. The result of failure being death and a wasted soul gem and added frustration.)

This has the net effect of slowing down attacks which of course, leads to lower DPS.

Light attack weaving, while possible, is very difficult to get right, is much slower and won't lead to much higher DPS such as low ping would allow.

High ping DOES make end-game content that much harder. Not impossible, but much tougher and less forgiving.

Some ZOS programming love for high ping users would be very welcome. I am not sure how this could be achieved though. I doubt it could and be fair to everyone.

I accept that I will never be an 'end game user' and grace any leaderboards.

Slick_007

ellettsrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Also Judas, the fact you think playing on 800 ping is extremely doable makes me think you have never actually played on 800 ping. You cannot even bar swap effectively on 800 ping, you will constantly lag out and it just simply wont swap bars, completely screwing your rotation.
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trying to school someone on the internet and then making claims like 'you will constantly lag out' with 800 ping? Someone doesnt understand how the internet works. if you had a constant 800 ping you wouldnt lag out. it wont be as responsive as it could be, but it would not lag out. not in this game.

if they did it with satellite internet, its doable for you. because satellite internet really sux for latency and speed. though speed has improved dramatically

Beastnas

While I feel your pain, there's simply no fair way to implement something like this. It's already a problem in certain shooters where people intentionally limit their bandwidth and warp around to gain an advantage.

GrigorijMalahevich

haha gitgud

Ainikki

Tannus15 wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

I'm

Milvan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjevpxw-qQ0


This is a brazilian player doing maelstrom with +200 ping.

Your argument is invalid.

Have you ever dodge rolled a one-shot mechanic and on your screen you were clear from the red for well over a second. Then you were dead?

Happens a lot to Aussies.

Hahaha, the latency at the bottom is white. I never see that. Like, ever.

I mean, I've completed vMA on multiple characters, it's very doable on 300ish ping, but I do find that 400+ things become very broken. Time lost in bar swapping is just insane. But maybe that's just because I'm used to 300 ping and not 400 ping.

Welcome in my World on Console^^
Long Loadingscreens, DC's, Lag, Barswap issues, light Attack issues and so on

Zagnut123Zagnut123

ellettsrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I can understand people playing in America can easily stroll through vMA on very low ping however for those of us who are forced to play on high ping it is literally impossible to beat.

Is it even possible to try and balance so that everyone has a chance of beating vMA? either that or make it possible to get the weapons another way, cause it kinda sucks that these weapons are gated behind a low ping requirement.

I play with alot of aussies that are very proficient at it. In fact son of the best raiders on the NA server are Aussie. It going to be harder then American ping but not by much honestly. As long as your not having constant spike then you should be ok if you are the your isp is bad.

Jaimeh

I play on NA from EU and have 220+ latency with very frequent 700 spikes, and the later stages of vMA become really tricky because weapon swapping fails 1/3 of the time, liquid lightning refuses to go off, I'm caught in hard casting frag animation, although I've gotten the proc sound, etc., but despite all that it is doable, definitely more frustrating, but still doable.

Milvan

Mirelurk wrote: »

Wish they'd give us an Oceanic server so we could get rid of the ping [snip].

[Edited to remove inappropriate content/hate speech]

Mirelurk wrote: »

Wish they'd give us an Oceanic server so we could get rid of the ping [snip].

[Edited to remove inappropriate content/hate speech]

I'm sorry, but we, latin americans, should be top priority. Our internet is much worse than Austria's. BTW, there is already one japanese server.

Tigeracer

@Milvan there are no kangaroos in Austria.

GlorphNoldorin

I think it is possible to complete vma at higher pings (400+) I have a ping of 330+ from west australia. I have done it on multiple toons but it soon gets very hard if you are using anything but a sorc. But flawless I would think you would really need the stars to align and to be honest it is a miserable place at those pings. I would really like to see a video of someone get flawless with a ping of 350+....please someone? Best i got was a single death on round 5 at ~340-360 ping

Alexandrious

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Sounds like an L2P issue.

Scrap that; that is an L2P issue.

I agree. L2P issue. Move along folks.

All The Kek

Alexandrious

MrGarlic wrote: »

The biggest issue I have with high ping (Kiwi here) is having to be methodical with key presses to ensure a skill has initiated. (Especially shields or bar swap. The result of failure being death and a wasted soul gem and added frustration.)

This has the net effect of slowing down attacks which of course, leads to lower DPS.

Light attack weaving, while possible, is very difficult to get right, is much slower and won't lead to much higher DPS such as low ping would allow.

High ping DOES make end-game content that much harder. Not impossible, but much tougher and less forgiving.

Some ZOS programming love for high ping users would be very welcome. I am not sure how this could be achieved though. I doubt it could and be fair to everyone.

I accept that I will never be an 'end game user' and grace any leaderboards.

I have 60 to 90 ping and 3000 soul gems using a magSorc pet build. Will I be ok?

All The Kek