Magplar fix eta?

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

@ZOS_GinaBruno @zos_richlambert. Puncturing sweeps and radiant oppression have been broken for some time now. What's going on.

lazerlaz

Broken? How?

JDC1985

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert any plans on fixing this ? Its been 4 or 5 updates and this is still broken my magplar was my main dsp now I'm lucky to pull 45k in a trail while on my magsorc or nb etc I can do 55k-60k on 70% of bosses. Thats a huge difference and should have been fixed months ago. Can we get something on it at least?

Taleof2Cities

Can you give a bit of detail why instead of just saying it’s “broken”?

Puncture is a sword & board skill ... not a Templar skill.

Cadbury

I assume OP meant puncturing sweeps?

itsfatbass

Folks, search the forums. There's MANY posts detailing the testing and specifics of what is not being calculated correctly on the modifiers for radiant oppression and puncturing sweeps. They are both BROKEN.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Puncturing Sweeps and Radiant Oppression broken?

Yeah, right, still two of the most powerful abilities in the game.

As a Magplar who has NEVER used Puncturing Sweeps or Radiant Oppression this sounds very much like a L2P issue to me.

All The Best

itsfatbass

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Puncturing Sweeps and Radiant Oppression broken?

Yeah, right, still two of the most powerful abilities in the game.

As a Magplar who has NEVER used Puncturing Sweeps or Radiant Oppression this sounds very much like a L2P issue to me.

All The Best

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/369577/magicka-templar#latest

One link of many with a simple search in which you will find the details specific to what is broken. L2P has nothing to do with this, these abilities modifier calculations became broken after morrowind update and have remained this way since.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Can you give a bit of detail why instead of just saying it’s “broken”?

Puncture is a sword & board skill ... not a Templar skill.

Puncturing sweeps

Bbsample197

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Puncturing Sweeps and Radiant Oppression broken?

Yeah, right, still two of the most powerful abilities in the game.

As a Magplar who has NEVER used Puncturing Sweeps or Radiant Oppression this sounds very much like a L2P issue to me.

All The Best

most powerful? we have to unslot puncturing sweep and oppression to make up for its dps losses, i dont know whats the meaning of powerful to you, but those skills arent to be labeled as "most powerful"

Zagnut123Zagnut123

JDC1985 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert any plans on fixing this ? Its been 4 or 5 updates and this is still broken my magplar was my main dsp now I'm lucky to pull 45k in a trail while on my magsorc or nb etc I can do 55k-60k on 70% of bosses. Thats a huge difference and should have been fixed months ago. Can we get something on it at least?

u get 60k on a magsor? seems pretty high to me unkess u have some super awesome build.

id like also like my magplar to be unbroken please.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Puncturing Sweeps and Radiant Oppression broken?

Yeah, right, still two of the most powerful abilities in the game.

As a Magplar who has NEVER used Puncturing Sweeps or Radiant Oppression this sounds very much like a L2P issue to me.

All The Best

are u pve or pvp? uf in pve you will get subpar number without radiant opression. i don't think you know what your talking about.

WillhelmBlack

They changed the scaling. So they're not Gods in PvP. They can already live forever, they shouldn't be able to smite everything in one Sweep too. It's poor balancing basically but don't expect a 'fix'.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Puncturing Sweeps and Radiant Oppression broken?

Yeah, right, still two of the most powerful abilities in the game.

As a Magplar who has NEVER used Puncturing Sweeps or Radiant Oppression this sounds very much like a L2P issue to me.

All The Best

L2p... lol it's broken. Oh and you still need radiant. The simple fact that you don't use one of the 2 shows a l2p issue with yourself. Take your 25k magplar out of my thread lol

Gulnagel

How would a potential fix look like?

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

are u pve or pvp? uf in pve you will get subpar number without radiant opression. i don't think you know what your talking about.

I never PvP.

And what does "sub par" mean? More than 2% off some notional "perfect score"?

Sub-Par for me means... ...wait for it... ...this is just a game after all... ...not having fun.

I can have tons of Fun and never need to worry about a "perfect BiS gear set up, and rotation".

If you can't the issue is NOT with the game.

And THAT is what I mean about L2P - you all need to "learn to play for fun" and not to "play for numbers".

All The Best

Parrot1986

This below in “ “ was taken from @ZOS_Wrobel from PTS 16 thread for templars at least shows they are looking into it but as norm no further updates 26th Sept.

Both skills have been impacted by the damage modifiers over several patches. Impale for NBs was the same but got a fix/buff in HOTR and now outperforms Jesus Beam significantly.

“Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the damage from Radiant Destruction and Biting Jabs appears to be incorrect. We’re digging into this, and will let you all if we need additional information.”

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

Gulnagel wrote: »

How would a potential fix look like?

To fix the damage modifer to better scale with the damage output originally intended. This is a bug due to the fact that it doesn't work as intended. It wasn't in a patch notes, it was not hotfixed. It's a bug. The abilities are not working as intended.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Parrot1986 wrote: »

This below in “ “ was taken from @ZOS_Wrobel from PTS 16 thread for templars at least shows they are looking into it but as norm no further updates 26th Sept.

Both skills have been impacted by the damage modifiers over several patches. Impale for NBs was the same but got a fix/buff in HOTR and now outperforms Jesus Beam significantly.

“Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the damage from Radiant Destruction and Biting Jabs appears to be incorrect. We’re digging into this, and will let you all if we need additional information.”

Well, as they apparently haven't for "additional information" the ONLY logical conclusion is that they don't think its broken.

All The Best

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

Parrot1986 wrote: »

This below in “ “ was taken from @ZOS_Wrobel from PTS 16 thread for templars at least shows they are looking into it but as norm no further updates 26th Sept.

Both skills have been impacted by the damage modifiers over several patches. Impale for NBs was the same but got a fix/buff in HOTR and now outperforms Jesus Beam significantly.

“Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the damage from Radiant Destruction and Biting Jabs appears to be incorrect. We’re digging into this, and will let you all if we need additional information.”

Thank you for this ♡

Zagnut123Zagnut123

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

are u pve or pvp? uf in pve you will get subpar number without radiant opression. i don't think you know what your talking about.

I never PvP.

And what does "sub par" mean? More than 2% off some notional "perfect score"?

Sub-Par for me means... ...wait for it... ...this is just a game after all... ...not having fun.

I can have tons of Fun and never need to worry about a "perfect BiS gear set up, and rotation".

If you can't the issue is NOT with the game.

And THAT is what I mean about L2P - you all need to "learn to play for fun" and not to "play for numbers".

All The Best

l2p is a term usually used by those the min max and care about there overall dps. if you dont care then thats whatever. but for people that do care having those skills work as intended matters alot. magplars have been effectively dead dps wise pre morrowind but if you enjoy what your doing thats all that matters, but min maxing matters to us.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

are u pve or pvp? uf in pve you will get subpar number without radiant opression. i don't think you know what your talking about.

I never PvP.

And what does "sub par" mean? More than 2% off some notional "perfect score"?

Sub-Par for me means... ...wait for it... ...this is just a game after all... ...not having fun.

I can have tons of Fun and never need to worry about a "perfect BiS gear set up, and rotation".

If you can't the issue is NOT with the game.

And THAT is what I mean about L2P - you all need to "learn to play for fun" and not to "play for numbers".

All The Best

also playing for numbers is my "fun"

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

are u pve or pvp? uf in pve you will get subpar number without radiant opression. i don't think you know what your talking about.

I never PvP.

And what does "sub par" mean? More than 2% off some notional "perfect score"?

Sub-Par for me means... ...wait for it... ...this is just a game after all... ...not having fun.

I can have tons of Fun and never need to worry about a "perfect BiS gear set up, and rotation".

If you can't the issue is NOT with the game.

And THAT is what I mean about L2P - you all need to "learn to play for fun" and not to "play for numbers".

All The Best

Well for some people "Like myself" have fun by completing difficult content and dishing out big numbers.

Parrot1986

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

This below in “ “ was taken from @ZOS_Wrobel from PTS 16 thread for templars at least shows they are looking into it but as norm no further updates 26th Sept.

Both skills have been impacted by the damage modifiers over several patches. Impale for NBs was the same but got a fix/buff in HOTR and now outperforms Jesus Beam significantly.

“Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the damage from Radiant Destruction and Biting Jabs appears to be incorrect. We’re digging into this, and will let you all if we need additional information.”

Well, as they apparently haven't for "additional information" the ONLY logical conclusion is that they don't think its broken.

All The Best

Alternative logical conclusions - they don’t need additional information because they can isolate the issue themselves, or they are working on something for the next DLC PTS or its ZoS and sometimes communication and following up on things isn’t their strongest point.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

are u pve or pvp? uf in pve you will get subpar number without radiant opression. i don't think you know what your talking about.

I never PvP.

And what does "sub par" mean? More than 2% off some notional "perfect score"?

Sub-Par for me means... ...wait for it... ...this is just a game after all... ...not having fun.

I can have tons of Fun and never need to worry about a "perfect BiS gear set up, and rotation".

If you can't the issue is NOT with the game.

And THAT is what I mean about L2P - you all need to "learn to play for fun" and not to "play for numbers".

All The Best

Well for some people "Like myself" have fun by completing difficult content and dishing out big numbers.

I enjoy completing difficult content too, but I won't allow myself to be forced to rely on one or two allegedly broken skill to do that.

If I can't do it with those skills, I'll work damned hard to find a workaround.

I've never liked how PS or RO look - their animations are some of the worst in the game, so I decided I'd just not use them - because "liking how I look" is also part of my "fun". So I work out ways to make my build viable, admittedly for "my play style, without them.

As DPS/Healer on my Magplar I have never once had complaints about my performance - except when first doing content new to me and I was still in the "learning phase", once I learn how a fight works I am good.

All The Best

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

are u pve or pvp? uf in pve you will get subpar number without radiant opression. i don't think you know what your talking about.

I never PvP.

And what does "sub par" mean? More than 2% off some notional "perfect score"?

Sub-Par for me means... ...wait for it... ...this is just a game after all... ...not having fun.

I can have tons of Fun and never need to worry about a "perfect BiS gear set up, and rotation".

If you can't the issue is NOT with the game.

And THAT is what I mean about L2P - you all need to "learn to play for fun" and not to "play for numbers".

All The Best

Well for some people "Like myself" have fun by completing difficult content and dishing out big numbers.

I enjoy completing difficult content too, but I won't allow myself to be forced to rely on one or two allegedly broken skill to do that.

If I can't do it with those skills, I'll work damned hard to find a workaround.

I've never liked how PS or RO look - their animations are some of the worst in the game, so I decided I'd just not use them - because "liking how I look" is also part of my "fun". So I work out ways to make my build viable, admittedly for "my play style, without them.

As DPS/Healer on my Magplar I have never once had complaints about my performance - except when first doing content new to me and I was still in the "learning phase", once I learn how a fight works I am good.

All The Best

I want my execute to damage the way it is intended. Not to be that guy but you're beating a dead horse here. I do not care about your point of view about said situation. The conversation is about 2 magplar abilities not scaling the way they should. Period.

Jade1986

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

Jade1986 wrote: »

The best thing ive seen all day

Jade1986

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

The best thing ive seen all day

Asardes

The scaling of some skills like puncturing sweeps and radiant oppression became additive with CP and other bonuses instead of multiplicative, but the % bonuses were not adjusted to compensate for that. As a result the damage of those abilities was greatly reduced. They are now not even worth slotting. For example:
- puncturing sweeps does less damage over its entire duration than HA into force pulse, costs more magicka, the channel is longer and the ability is melee, meaning you'll take more damage channeling it. If you have degeneration ticking (that gives also major sorcery) you'll even get more heals from channeling heavy attacks.
- radiant oppression is only doing about 500 more damage per tick at 100% magicka compared to 20% magicka, so there's not much difference between that and radiant glory which also heals; both are a DPS loss in execute phase.
So it's clearly a balancing issue, not a "L2P issue". If you don't know the details please stop making 'wise' remarques.

Fodore

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

are u pve or pvp? uf in pve you will get subpar number without radiant opression. i don't think you know what your talking about.

I never PvP.

And what does "sub par" mean? More than 2% off some notional "perfect score"?

Sub-Par for me means... ...wait for it... ...this is just a game after all... ...not having fun.

I can have tons of Fun and never need to worry about a "perfect BiS gear set up, and rotation".

If you can't the issue is NOT with the game.

And THAT is what I mean about L2P - you all need to "learn to play for fun" and not to "play for numbers".

All The Best

Yes but you need to be aware that getting those numbers and getting bis gear is fun for some people, fun is subjective. I find it very fun to ride horses but you may not.

Was a nice try at covering your tracks though I'll give you that.