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How Can NB Cloak While Being Soul Assaulted?

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So I’ve seen this happening a few times in recent weeks. A handful of times when I was using Soul Assualt and again today when a fellow team member was using it. The NB is actively being soul assaulted and they cloak out of it. Soul assualt is suppose to prevent cloak? Now I understand you can purge some effect of SA, but does this work while you’re being soul assaulted? Anytime I’ve tried to cloak while being soul assaulted it straight up doesn’t work. So I’m asking from both sides of the fence, to learn to use and deal with it more effectively.

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  • Vapirko
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    BohnT wrote: »
    1. Shame on you for using soul assault
    2. you can cloak after 2 seconds just like the tooltip says.

    Yeah thanks mate, but you didn't understand/answer my question. The NB cloaked during soul assault, not after. I have no shame for using soul assault lol, although Ive since switched to ice comet. Was just crutching on it while learning magtemp or backbar it for those pesky unkillable tanks.
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    @Vapirko , @BohnT is correct

    Re-read the tolltip.

    Soul Assault is 3.5 seconds, you can't cloak for 2, so part way thru you can.

    It doesn't say for 2 seconds AFTER soul assault ENDS as you are assuming
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  • lazerlaz
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    Shame on you for wanting it all and upset about a weak counter lol.

    Yes you can cloak it.

    Hold block, hit vigor, spam cloak, drink a tri pot. . That is the prescription.
  • Derra
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    You can avoid a good part of soulassaults dmg that way aswell - it has a short windup animation and 3.4s channeltime.
    The windup animation is considered part fo soulassaulting aswell which means it´s part of the 2s cloak prevention making cloak the best counter to it in the game as you can cancel it at about 40% of total dmg done.
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  • ak_pvp
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    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)
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  • Ragnaroek93
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)

    Maybe cloak does suppress dots because nightlbades need a way to counter dot/bleed builds?
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    nerf cloak now, make it health based and a kamikaze job!

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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)

    Maybe cloak does suppress dots because nightlbades need a way to counter dot/bleed builds?

    If it didn't, it would literally be one of the worst abilities in game
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  • Vapirko
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Vapirko wrote: »
    BohnT wrote: »
    1. Shame on you for using soul assault
    2. you can cloak after 2 seconds just like the tooltip says.

    Yeah thanks mate, but you didn't understand/answer my question. The NB cloaked during soul assault, not after. I have no shame for using soul assault lol, although Ive since switched to ice comet. Was just crutching on it while learning magtemp or backbar it for those pesky unkillable tanks.

    Soul assault is a 3+ second channel and only prevents cloak the first 2 seconds

    Okayyy got it, I assumed it was as additional 2 seconds but then I guess it would say that. I guess since its a dot and dots continue in cloak it seemed odd and kind of counterintuitive since cloack is not a purge or maybe they count it as a los break? Additionally I always felt that trying to cloak during SA I was immediately pulled out again but I guess my timing was off.
    Azurya wrote: »
    nerf cloak now, make it health based and a kamikaze job!

    Kill all NB!

    lol nowhere do I say nerf NBs, I regularly play one.
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)

    Maybe cloak does suppress dots because nightlbades need a way to counter dot/bleed builds?

    Healing? Dots are the least scary thing in PvP due to purges and low dmg. Sorcs, DKs or wardens can't reliably keep them off either. Its unnecessary with what it provides.
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)

    Maybe cloak does suppress dots because nightlbades need a way to counter dot/bleed builds?

    If it didn't, it would literally be one of the worst abilities in game

    ???

    No. It wouldn't. Invisibility, becoming untargetable, and stopping direct+channeled damage. Whilst being able to cast inside it. Also protection or guaranteed critical. Far from useless.

    This isn't a nerf NB comment either. They are by far the best balanced class. I'd even make cloak a little more flexible. (Have it take 2 stationary GBAoEs like caltrops etc to break) It just doesn't make sense completely ignoring them whilst in it.

    Does it pause the DoT timer so it has to tick unless purged. Cause if not that is even more unfair.
    Edited by ak_pvp on October 30, 2017 9:27AM
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  • Jake1576
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    Anyone know if you are a nb and you mark another nb and can still see them when they use cloak will soul assault still damage them when they try to cloak away never tried it JW lol
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Dots are the least scary thing in PvP due to purges and low dmg.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA i´m dying. Lethal lol dot.

    I hope this was a joke?
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    Derra wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Dots are the least scary thing in PvP due to purges and low dmg.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA i´m dying. Lethal lol dot.

    I hope this was a joke?

    ?

    When do you hear: "Oh no darn that viper dot really got me." "Oh no. I got dotted to death." "Not the stamNB dot ganker noooo." That stamwardens dot combo just wiped the whole group.

    Sure the niche stamsorc build is cute. But if you are 1vXing, and/or there is a templar. Say bye to dots. Also earthgore. Or cloak. The dots which you spent time applying go byebye.
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Dots are the least scary thing in PvP due to purges and low dmg.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA i´m dying. Lethal lol dot.

    I hope this was a joke?

    ?

    When do you hear: "Oh no darn that viper dot really got me." "Oh no. I got dotted to death." "Not the stamNB dot ganker noooo." That stamwardens dot combo just wiped the whole group.

    Sure the niche stamsorc build is cute. But if you are 1vXing, and/or there is a templar. Say bye to dots. Also earthgore. Or cloak. The dots which you spent time applying go byebye.

    DoTs (and other undodgeable dmg) are what kills medium armor builds. There is only so much Vigor can outheal (and it isn't much, especially on stam NB with zero +healing modifiers).
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  • Derra
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    DDuke wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Dots are the least scary thing in PvP due to purges and low dmg.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA i´m dying. Lethal lol dot.

    I hope this was a joke?

    ?

    When do you hear: "Oh no darn that viper dot really got me." "Oh no. I got dotted to death." "Not the stamNB dot ganker noooo." That stamwardens dot combo just wiped the whole group.

    Sure the niche stamsorc build is cute. But if you are 1vXing, and/or there is a templar. Say bye to dots. Also earthgore. Or cloak. The dots which you spent time applying go byebye.

    DoTs (and other undodgeable dmg) are what kills medium armor builds. There is only so much Vigor can outheal (and it isn't much, especially on stam NB with zero +healing modifiers).

    Imo dots are what kills everything in duels. Especially for stam builds.
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  • DDuke
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    Derra wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Dots are the least scary thing in PvP due to purges and low dmg.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA i´m dying. Lethal lol dot.

    I hope this was a joke?

    ?

    When do you hear: "Oh no darn that viper dot really got me." "Oh no. I got dotted to death." "Not the stamNB dot ganker noooo." That stamwardens dot combo just wiped the whole group.

    Sure the niche stamsorc build is cute. But if you are 1vXing, and/or there is a templar. Say bye to dots. Also earthgore. Or cloak. The dots which you spent time applying go byebye.

    DoTs (and other undodgeable dmg) are what kills medium armor builds. There is only so much Vigor can outheal (and it isn't much, especially on stam NB with zero +healing modifiers).

    Imo dots are what kills everything in duels. Especially for stam builds.

    Well, you can atleast hope to survive against them with dmg shields or heavy armor mitigation (bleeds being an exception tho) - on medium it's just a ticking clock though even with insane amounts of weapon dmg (for big vigor ticks) & 7 impen.


    But I won't bother complaining much about them as long as I can instagib people with a cloak combo on my stamblade, I'll just refrain from dueling S&B magicka DKs.
    Edited by DDuke on October 30, 2017 1:02PM
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    Beardimus wrote: »
    @Vapirko , @BohnT is correct

    Re-read the tolltip.

    Soul Assault is 3.5 seconds, you can't cloak for 2, so part way thru you can.

    It doesn't say for 2 seconds AFTER soul assault ENDS as you are assuming

    tooltip says"enemies affected by this ability," so technically there should be a running 2 sec reveal for the whole channel but wouldn't be the first time ZO$ created confusing ability lol
    Edited by Zaldan on October 30, 2017 1:07PM
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  • Vapirko
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    Zaldan wrote: »
    Beardimus wrote: »
    @Vapirko , @BohnT is correct

    Re-read the tolltip.

    Soul Assault is 3.5 seconds, you can't cloak for 2, so part way thru you can.

    It doesn't say for 2 seconds AFTER soul assault ENDS as you are assuming

    tooltip says"enemies affected by this ability," so technically there should be a running 2 sec reveal for the whole channel but wouldn't be the first time ZO$ created confusing ability lol

    thanks, this is how it sounded to me
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)

    Maybe cloak does suppress dots because nightlbades need a way to counter dot/bleed builds?

    It suppresses DoTs because DoT ticks would pull your from stealth if not, that's the only reason I can see
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)

    Maybe cloak does suppress dots because nightlbades need a way to counter dot/bleed builds?

    It suppresses DoTs because DoT ticks would pull your from stealth if not, that's the only reason I can see

    This. This is why I said it would be stupid if it didn't suppress the dots
    Edited by Waffennacht on October 30, 2017 7:47PM
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  • Jake1576
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    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Anyone know if you are a nb and you mark another nb and can still see them when they use cloak will soul assault still damage them when they try to cloak away never tried it JW lol

    This does anyone know lol
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    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Anyone know if you are a nb and you mark another nb and can still see them when they use cloak will soul assault still damage them when they try to cloak away never tried it JW lol

    This does anyone know lol

    You'll continue to soul Assault them I assume, no different than a detect pot
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  • Jake1576
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    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Anyone know if you are a nb and you mark another nb and can still see them when they use cloak will soul assault still damage them when they try to cloak away never tried it JW lol

    This does anyone know lol

    You'll continue to soul Assault them I assume, no different than a detect pot

    Thanks
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    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Anyone know if you are a nb and you mark another nb and can still see them when they use cloak will soul assault still damage them when they try to cloak away never tried it JW lol

    This does anyone know lol

    You'll continue to soul Assault them I assume, no different than a detect pot
    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Anyone know if you are a nb and you mark another nb and can still see them when they use cloak will soul assault still damage them when they try to cloak away never tried it JW lol

    This does anyone know lol

    You'll continue to soul Assault them I assume, no different than a detect pot
    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Jake1576 wrote: »
    Anyone know if you are a nb and you mark another nb and can still see them when they use cloak will soul assault still damage them when they try to cloak away never tried it JW lol

    This does anyone know lol

    You'll continue to soul Assault them I assume, no different than a detect pot

    Yeah. But i think (idk, it seemed to me a few times) that an invis pot will break LOS just enough to break soul assault even if marked. Not positive on that

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  • ak_pvp
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)

    Maybe cloak does suppress dots because nightlbades need a way to counter dot/bleed builds?

    It suppresses DoTs because DoT ticks would pull your from stealth if not, that's the only reason I can see
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    More importantly. Why does it suppress on target dots? If you can heal in it, you should take on target dot damage in it. (Without being revealed.)

    Maybe cloak does suppress dots because nightlbades need a way to counter dot/bleed builds?

    It suppresses DoTs because DoT ticks would pull your from stealth if not, that's the only reason I can see

    This. This is why I said it would be stupid if it didn't suppress the dots

    I said it shouldn't reveal you though. It should be that hard to change. Sort of like how oblivion gets through shields without breaking them. But then again, its cloak we are talking about. Which is buggy even to this day.
    Edited by ak_pvp on October 31, 2017 8:27AM
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    raasdal wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Dots are the least scary thing in PvP due to purges and low dmg.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA i´m dying. Lethal lol dot.

    I hope this was a joke?

    ?

    When do you hear: "Oh no darn that viper dot really got me." "Oh no. I got dotted to death." "Not the stamNB dot ganker noooo." That stamwardens dot combo just wiped the whole group.

    Sure the niche stamsorc build is cute. But if you are 1vXing, and/or there is a templar. Say bye to dots. Also earthgore. Or cloak. The dots which you spent time applying go byebye.

    Not saying DoT's are OP or anything.

    But the answer to your question is; Because people are clueless and think that you can use the original "Deathrecap" to determine what ACTUALLY caused you to die.

    No one is saying "Oh no darn that viper dot really got me.", because they do not FEEL that it killed them. It is the same with all DoT's in the game, and the way they work on your mind. Try go fight a Magicka DK. His largest damage output is Burning Embers. No Discussion. But stil, no one will ever say "oh no, that Embers DoT got me". But in fact that Embers Burn DID get you. Because that DoT, along with one or two others maybe, was the only reason that you were at 40% health, when you got Fossilized and dual-whipped for the rest of your health. But in this case, people will blaim Fossilize and Whip. Because those were the things that, to the receivers eyes and feelings, were the skills that killed him. But in fact, he got killed by the DoTs.

    Duels are a little different. Duels you have one focus, and one incomming damage. You can keep dots up without much threat of them being purged by a healer. (Unless you are dueling templar then gg.)

    I main mdk, and have played against many. The dots themselves don't really hurt especially if you are playing meta v meta in heavy. DOTs tick for like 2/300 each. The reason they are used more is for skoria, healing or a passive buff. The only class that can really get me with their dots are stamsorcs.

    Which brings me to my second part. They aren't awful for pressure in 1v1s but unsustainable in higher fights due to everyone and their mother purging/suppressing. Which is why I say they shouldn't be suppressed.
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  • Ragnaroek93
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    raasdal wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    ak_pvp wrote: »
    Dots are the least scary thing in PvP due to purges and low dmg.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA i´m dying. Lethal lol dot.

    I hope this was a joke?

    ?

    When do you hear: "Oh no darn that viper dot really got me." "Oh no. I got dotted to death." "Not the stamNB dot ganker noooo." That stamwardens dot combo just wiped the whole group.

    Sure the niche stamsorc build is cute. But if you are 1vXing, and/or there is a templar. Say bye to dots. Also earthgore. Or cloak. The dots which you spent time applying go byebye.

    Not saying DoT's are OP or anything.

    But the answer to your question is; Because people are clueless and think that you can use the original "Deathrecap" to determine what ACTUALLY caused you to die.

    No one is saying "Oh no darn that viper dot really got me.", because they do not FEEL that it killed them. It is the same with all DoT's in the game, and the way they work on your mind. Try go fight a Magicka DK. His largest damage output is Burning Embers. No Discussion. But stil, no one will ever say "oh no, that Embers DoT got me". But in fact that Embers Burn DID get you. Because that DoT, along with one or two others maybe, was the only reason that you were at 40% health, when you got Fossilized and dual-whipped for the rest of your health. But in this case, people will blaim Fossilize and Whip. Because those were the things that, to the receivers eyes and feelings, were the skills that killed him. But in fact, he got killed by the DoTs.

    Duels are a little different. Duels you have one focus, and one incomming damage. You can keep dots up without much threat of them being purged by a healer. (Unless you are dueling templar then gg.)

    I main mdk, and have played against many. The dots themselves don't really hurt especially if you are playing meta v meta in heavy. DOTs tick for like 2/300 each. The reason they are used more is for skoria, healing or a passive buff. The only class that can really get me with their dots are stamsorcs.

    Which brings me to my second part. They aren't awful for pressure in 1v1s but unsustainable in higher fights due to everyone and their mother purging/suppressing. Which is why I say they shouldn't be suppressed.

    So you basically want templars and nightblades get trashed in duels because you are unable to break cloak (with a mag dk lol...)?
    Every post I see from you is like nerf sorcs, nerf nightblades or buff magdk, it's getting boring because you downplay the strength of magdks in such a ridiculous way that it's not even funny anymore (for example rating shields stronger than block + healing synergie with sword an board or rating mag dk sustain as the worst sustain in the game).

    Edit: Would have never thought that I would defend cloak mechanic one day >.<
    Edited by Ragnaroek93 on October 31, 2017 9:52AM
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