Completely unbiased question about vigor.

MercTheMage

Does anyone use Echoing vigor over Resolving vigor, and now that you've most likely answered no, how do you feel about changing echoing to a magicka morph?

technohic

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

I don't see why not. I really thing this is the answer to the unused morphs of skills they keep trying to pass off. Even just unused abilities. Make them with an option for the other pool.

Amdar_Godkiller

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

Give the restro staff 2 stamina morphs and we can talk.

DocFrost72

Love it, can we get a stam version of wards now?

Smasherx74

How about we not lock abilities behind PVP..

I *** hate cyrodill, as a result I don't bother unlocking vigor or warhorn on any characteer besides my main. I'm not going to follow a zerg train around in 2fps. It's unplayable for me, and ZOS essentially is forcing me to play in that *** just to use the only Stamina heals that isn't class or weapon locked. They should of put Vigor on the bottom of Fighter Guild or Undaunted.

MercTheMage

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

It's not that I feel mag needs another heal, I just like the way vigor heals. It's great that you can cast it in anticipation of damage and receive a solid heal from a heal over time effect.

DeadlyRecluse

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

Echoing has some uses. It's a great ability for triggering Troll King on group members by a tank in PvP, for instance.

SirAndy

MercTheMage wrote: »

It's great that you can cast it in anticipation of damage and receive a solid heal from a heal over time effect.

It's the goto bulk heal for my Stamblade and being able to anticipate incoming damage and cast it accordingly so the HoT kicks in just at the right time makes it extremely useful.

MercTheMage

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Echoing has some uses. It's a great ability for triggering Troll King on group members by a tank in PvP, for instance.

Oooh, now see I do love troll king

Bowser

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

It's useful during Rakkhat's lunar phase. Tanks can help heal allies on the pads while healers are using the beam synergy.

MercTheMage

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

SirAndy wrote: »

MercTheMage wrote: »

It's great that you can cast it in anticipation of damage and receive a solid heal from a heal over time effect.

It's the goto bulk heal for my Stamblade and being able to anticipate incoming damage and cast it accordingly so the HoT kicks in just at the right time makes it extremely useful.

I know every templar that ever existed would probably wanna kill me for saying this, but I wouldnt mind if breath of life worked like that. Healed over 3 seconds or something.

technohic

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

MercTheMage wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

MercTheMage wrote: »

It's great that you can cast it in anticipation of damage and receive a solid heal from a heal over time effect.

It's the goto bulk heal for my Stamblade and being able to anticipate incoming damage and cast it accordingly so the HoT kicks in just at the right time makes it extremely useful.

I know every templar that ever existed would probably wanna kill me for saying this, but I wouldnt mind if breath of life worked like that. Healed over 3 seconds or something.

We have a perfectly worthless heal that they could easily make that already in Healing Ritual. Should be a channeled HOT if you ask me and should have a stam morph. (selfish stamplar request)

Elsterchen

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

Its a great way to not have people staring at my (stam-)plar ... just because i use jabs doesn't mean I am your healer !.

This morph at leasts lets me meet the expectations of those people clever enough to stay close.

DeadlyRecluse

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

MercTheMage wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Echoing has some uses. It's a great ability for triggering Troll King on group members by a tank in PvP, for instance.

Oooh, now see I do love troll king

It's worth noting that Echoing vigor has over 200% more area coverage with the heal (resolving covers about 70 square meters, echoing covers almost 180 square meters). So that makes it an amazing way to splash troll king procs everywhere--and the heal tick is low enough that it won't heal people out of the 50 percent mark (as can happen more easily with a heal-spec using troll king.)

Echoing is also a great way to proc Sentinel of Rkugamz and Bogdan, but those aren't used nearly as often in general.

MercTheMage

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

Bowser wrote: »

It's useful during Rakkhat's lunar phase. Tanks can help heal allies on the pads while healers are using the beam synergy.

This never occurred to me, I was thinking about the morphs from a dps perspective. Very insightful ^^

MercTheMage

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

technohic wrote: »

MercTheMage wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

MercTheMage wrote: »

It's great that you can cast it in anticipation of damage and receive a solid heal from a heal over time effect.

It's the goto bulk heal for my Stamblade and being able to anticipate incoming damage and cast it accordingly so the HoT kicks in just at the right time makes it extremely useful.

I know every templar that ever existed would probably wanna kill me for saying this, but I wouldnt mind if breath of life worked like that. Healed over 3 seconds or something.

We have a perfectly worthless heal that they could easily make that already in Healing Ritual. Should be a channeled HOT if you ask me and should have a stam morph. (selfish stamplar request)

This is another great idea, I detest healing ritual cause of that cast time

Danksta

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

I don't actually use it but it's nice for tanks in certain situations.

Shad0wfire99

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

I clicked the wrong thing, but I use Echoing (on a dps) in trials. Better for the group = better for you.

Sixty5

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

There are already a ton of magicka heals in the game, hell there is a whole weapon line dedicated to it.

Echoing Vigor is the morph you take if you are a tank. It used to be more important because of powerful assault, but even so, being able to tag the entire group provides a little more utility than only healing yourself.

Inarre

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

I dont use either morph but there was no other voting option. I think the game has more than enough magicka heals and it's useful to keep the few stamina heals we have open for use even if a morph is unpopular.

VaranisArano

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

So, according to the OP, magicka needs another heal over time and stamina needs one less heal over time? Why do people go to all the effort to PVP, even when they hate PVP, in order to get Vigor? Oh, right, because its the best option for non-warden stamina-based self-heals.

Yeah, magicka doesn't need another heal over time. Even if the morph is less used, that doesn't mean that stamina users should have to lose an stamina heals option.

Chantclaire

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

Give me some stam wards that scale with my max stam then we can talk. Until then, stay in your lane magicka users.

Waffennacht

iFord wrote: »

Give me some stam wards that scale with my max stam then we can talk. Until then, stay in your lane magicka users.

They tried that, way too OP.

I would love to see a heal in one of the weapon trees/undaunted/fighters

Aquanova

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

I suggested this almost 2 years ago back when dks Coagulating Blood was garbage. I also suggested that one the unstoppable morphs be made magicka........all I got response were crickets.

mildlylucid

Yes, I think this is a great idea.

A few people are using tanks as a reason it should stay as it is.

A change to magicka would probably benefit tanks as you then have extra stamina for blocking etc.

Banana

Echoing is great for a tank. Better group support

dday3six

Magicka has enough healing. Echoing has useful for Tanks. It’s been awhile, but I pretty sure it’s still a good with powerful assault.

Bowser

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

mildlylucid wrote: »

A change to magicka would probably benefit tanks as you then have extra stamina for blocking etc.

Nope. Tanks usually have a lot more stamina than magicka so the heal would be much weaker. It would be a waste of an already limited resource, especially when that magicka is needed for more important utilities.

Mureel

I dislike it full stop. I don't think there should be this strong a self heal UNLESS you are literally a healer. *shrugs* but it is nice, since we have it already. I just wish that we weren't making every role into every other role. I feel like we need more definition between and I feel like we shouldn't make roles obsolete/nearly obsolete.

bloodthirstyvampire

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

No its the only pure stam heal in the game that Isn't class bound its unique and should remain so

bloodthirstyvampire

No, I actually use echoing vigor for some weird reason that makes people stare at my in a funny way, but I've learned to live with it.

Mureel wrote: »

I dislike it full stop. I don't think there should be this strong a self heal UNLESS you are literally a healer. *shrugs* but it is nice, since we have it already. I just wish that we weren't making every role into every other role. I feel like we need more definition between and I feel like we shouldn't make roles obsolete/nearly obsolete.

If it was nerfed nobody would use it stamblades and vma without vigor lol or stamblades soloing dungeons without vigor no way