Alpha-Lupi wrote: »Something just occurred to me, If players are only going to be able to use their respective armor skills by wearing 5 pieces of that armor...
But thinking about that one heavy armor set: Warriors Fury. If it's effects only trigger on taking critical damage, doesn't that mean it is somewhat useless?!?!?
Think about it, NPC's can't land critical hits on players because it is not in their coding, & the only place that even remotely lands critical hits are other enemy players in duels & cyrodiil, & because the Battlespirit passive reduces all damage taken by 50%, it just means that warriors fury only gets you 375 weapon damage on the 25th stack instead of 750. (since battle spirit halves all incoming damage from all sources in PVP activities.)
because of the Damage reduction from battlespirit, warriors fury is literally useless!
(set cracked wide open.)
A Suggestion/Better idea: Make it so that Warriors Fury can trigger upon taking damage instead of upon taking critical damage & it might be more viable for Heavy Armor players since Wrath was removed & replaced with Revitalise. (that & the weapon damage granted by the set is not as effective in duels & cyrodiilic activity.)
Problem Solved (Temporarily. When one Problem Falls, Another shall rise to take its place.)
Alpha-Lupi wrote: »Something just occurred to me, If players are only going to be able to use their respective armor skills by wearing 5 pieces of that armor...
But thinking about that one heavy armor set: Warriors Fury. If it's effects only trigger on taking critical damage, doesn't that mean it is somewhat useless?!?!?
Think about it, NPC's can't land critical hits on players because it is not in their coding, & the only place that even remotely lands critical hits are other enemy players in duels & cyrodiil, & because the Battlespirit passive reduces all damage taken by 50%, it just means that warriors fury only gets you 375 weapon damage on the 25th stack instead of 750. (since battle spirit halves all incoming damage from all sources in PVP activities.)
because of the Damage reduction from battlespirit, warriors fury is literally useless!
(set cracked wide open.)
A Suggestion/Better idea: Make it so that Warriors Fury can trigger upon taking damage instead of upon taking critical damage & it might be more viable for Heavy Armor players since Wrath was removed & replaced with Revitalise. (that & the weapon damage granted by the set is not as effective in duels & cyrodiilic activity.)
Problem Solved (Temporarily. When one Problem Falls, Another shall rise to take its place.)
Wrong on all accords (except that part that NPC dont crit). Fury is the best damge set in the game for PVP. Battle Spirit is not reducing weapon/spell damage, just overall damage.
I feel as if the wrath removal and shuffle are barely going to scratch it.
I feel like full heavy 30k health stam sorcs will still be able to one shot me 23k health stamplar in medium....
Ragnarock41 wrote: »''oh no, people get weapon damage in heavy armor''
Clever alchemist exists for how many years now?
And those 30k hp stamsorcs usually run clever alchemist. Its what stamsorc dreams, burst on demand.
Fury is a set that is absolutely garbage on a 1v1.
The wind up time on it is long, which makes it also *** for battlegrounds.
So it is literally a 1vX set. Its only good when you're badly, severely outnumbered.
Most people don't even try this set themselves. Go give it a shot to see if its anywhere close to how versatile alchemist is.
And seventh legion is a disgusting set, because It has no cooldown.Its the proc sets problem all over again.
But, this can be solved very easily.
Something like 8 sec uptime 10-12 second cooldown will put the set in line, and will get rid of the problematic heal spam from it aswell.
everyones problem with this set is how it procs again and again because it has no cooldown.
That being said you might think this set gives insane DPS, but people forget infused weapon enchant gives me 450 WD on demand for 5 seconds, and It has basically no cooldown. Its literally the same numbers I get from seventh legion, but everyone complains about seventh legion while a *** enchant is giving me the same bonus.
IF that enchant is not a problem, than seventh legion's weapon damage shouldn't be a problem aswell.
And about medium armor, remove all of those ''broken'' heavy armor sets, We simply wont use medium, ever.
medium itself is literally made for nightblades.
The armor has passives that are useful only for nightblades, It has stealth bonuses, come on, If you're not a nightblade Its literally useless.
We don't use heavy builds because Its so strong.
We use heavy because medium armor is not an option for us.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »''oh no, people get weapon damage in heavy armor''
Clever alchemist exists for how many years now?
And those 30k hp stamsorcs usually run clever alchemist. Its what stamsorc dreams, burst on demand.
Fury is a set that is absolutely garbage on a 1v1.
The wind up time on it is long, which makes it also *** for battlegrounds.
So it is literally a 1vX set. Its only good when you're badly, severely outnumbered.
Most people don't even try this set themselves. Go give it a shot to see if its anywhere close to how versatile alchemist is.
And seventh legion is a disgusting set, because It has no cooldown.Its the proc sets problem all over again.
But, this can be solved very easily.
Something like 8 sec uptime 10-12 second cooldown will put the set in line, and will get rid of the problematic heal spam from it aswell.
everyones problem with this set is how it procs again and again because it has no cooldown.
That being said you might think this set gives insane DPS, but people forget infused weapon enchant gives me 450 WD on demand for 5 seconds, and It has basically no cooldown. Its literally the same numbers I get from seventh legion, but everyone complains about seventh legion while a *** enchant is giving me the same bonus.
IF that enchant is not a problem, than seventh legion's weapon damage shouldn't be a problem aswell.
And about medium armor, remove all of those ''broken'' heavy armor sets, We simply wont use medium, ever.
medium itself is literally made for nightblades.
The armor has passives that are useful only for nightblades, It has stealth bonuses, come on, If you're not a nightblade Its literally useless.
We don't use heavy builds because Its so strong.
We use heavy because medium armor is not an option for us.
Fury is fully charged in less than 20 seconds 1v1. Just stop
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »''oh no, people get weapon damage in heavy armor''
Clever alchemist exists for how many years now?
And those 30k hp stamsorcs usually run clever alchemist. Its what stamsorc dreams, burst on demand.
Fury is a set that is absolutely garbage on a 1v1.
The wind up time on it is long, which makes it also *** for battlegrounds.
So it is literally a 1vX set. Its only good when you're badly, severely outnumbered.
Most people don't even try this set themselves. Go give it a shot to see if its anywhere close to how versatile alchemist is.
And seventh legion is a disgusting set, because It has no cooldown.Its the proc sets problem all over again.
But, this can be solved very easily.
Something like 8 sec uptime 10-12 second cooldown will put the set in line, and will get rid of the problematic heal spam from it aswell.
everyones problem with this set is how it procs again and again because it has no cooldown.
That being said you might think this set gives insane DPS, but people forget infused weapon enchant gives me 450 WD on demand for 5 seconds, and It has basically no cooldown. Its literally the same numbers I get from seventh legion, but everyone complains about seventh legion while a *** enchant is giving me the same bonus.
IF that enchant is not a problem, than seventh legion's weapon damage shouldn't be a problem aswell.
And about medium armor, remove all of those ''broken'' heavy armor sets, We simply wont use medium, ever.
medium itself is literally made for nightblades.
The armor has passives that are useful only for nightblades, It has stealth bonuses, come on, If you're not a nightblade Its literally useless.
We don't use heavy builds because Its so strong.
We use heavy because medium armor is not an option for us.
Fury is fully charged in less than 20 seconds 1v1. Just stop
As I said, fury is garbage on 1v1.
Don't believe me? Go give it a shot.
I compared fury to every other set in its category and I can honestly say Its a gimmick set against potato zerglings that do crits without any real pressure.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »'
The armor has passives that are useful only for nightblades, It has stealth bonuses, come on, If you're not a nightblade Its literally useless.
GeorgeBlack wrote: »Welcome to Eso. In which when a BiS is outperforming the developers will not address the BiS, but something else irrelevant to it.
It's called blanket nerfs
Alpha-Lupi wrote: »You do know the wrath passive from heavy Armor is being removed & replaced with a new passive in clockwork city right?
If you don't believe me, you can always refer to PTS patch V3.2.4 as @ZOS_GinaBruno said otherwise.
no one will use medium armor until medium armor sets are better for dps than heavy armor sets
dunno why zos doesn't seem to be able to grasp this
arkansas_ESO wrote: »You could nerf sets like Seventh and Fury and they'd just craft Hunding's or Clever in heavy, the issue isn't that heavy has far better sets but that medium is unappealing due to bad passives+block is a stronger and more consistent defense than dodge roll.
xiZeroPointix wrote: »Medium armor needs help. Heavy armor should have damage stats..medium armor should have the wrath passive and a little more resistances. I dont like it when people want armor sets nerfed because they dont know how tobsurvive..L2P..medium armor passives are why people wear heavy..medium does not have enough resistances or damage.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Go ahead, make yourself believe the lie that when you nerf fury and seventh all is gonna be fine lol.
''oh look guys I have 2 weapon damage proc sets and I can almost hit 5k weapon damage''
Yeah.. You can get much more reliable dueling builds with sets like ravager.. alchemist etc..
You can even go alchemist+seventh legion and have a much more scary dueling build.
And unlike fury builds you have NO COUNTERPLAY vs alchemist. Its burst on demand, burst anytime you want.
You don't need to eat 25 *** CRITS to make alchemist work.
Anyways, 4k+ weapon damage setups are totally possible without any WD proc sets.
This is my stats with my no longer used oldschool no procs Dk build.
(yes I know It lacks impen. I nonger use it because battle roar no longer scales with your resources, so no point getting max stamina really.)
Front bar (keep in mind vMA no longer gives you weapon damage and no wrath so this would be a lot higher in old patch)
So I can get to 4k WD without any weapon damage sets , without wrath, without the vMA bonus.
My point is people use these sets over max stat sets because Dk no longer has any synergy with stamina, since the morrowind nerfs all the scaling this class have is completely gutted.
I would gladly trade all the WD sets in this game to get my old battle roar back.
Sadly thats not the case anymore. So, yeah.. better get used to it.
PS: With all being said, I Do believe nerfing Fury to give less WD without any compensations will ruin the set for 1vX(Which was its main purpose) and make it garbage tier just like black rose. You guys remember what black rose became after your QQ posts right?
It can be reworked to charge quicker, but give less weapon damage, but people will just use other sets instead, so in the end you will end up ruining another playstyle for essentially, nothing.