Class change

TheShadowScout

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

for now, its not even on their minds last we heard...

Do you happen to have the source for that? I ask cuz I never found it and last time I asked i almost got crucified lmao

Its been quite a while - over a year in fact, on an "ESO Live" installment if I remember correctly, or in some comment during the forum discussions after it... I -think- I recall it having been in early 2016... but I doubt I could track down the original source. I do remember that it was a statement on the sidelines, concerning more change tokens in wake of the announcement of namechange & racechange... they said they were still thinking about alliance change, but did not intend to ever make class change available.

But as i said, this info is old... though so far, I for one just have heard nothing else on the matter since, thgus I consider it still their official policy.

Narvuntien

Just start another character... i am not sure how people get so attached to a character. I like making new characters.

Even if they are the same race you can just jump on a boat and start a different alliances storyline.

Banana

I can see the sorcerer population suddenly increasing

Barbaran

the answer is in the crowns store.
make tour class ***, guess you gotta buy a new slot to make another toon.
oh, you need to level a new toon? better buy some exp. scrolls from the crown store.
oh dam, your new toons horse is really slow and you easily get knocked off with low riding stamina, better buy yourself some lessons from the crown store unless you dont mind waiting 120 days to level your speed and stam.

Slick_007

Dimmit wrote: »

I strongly believe that such solution would help bring more players into the game, generates some cash and with the limits will not have the potential negative effects. ZOS, please!

i dont get how you can think this token would bring new players to the game. hey look guys, that eso game that we didnt want to play, you can change class if you PAY MONEY. we should play it!

vote no to tokens!

Dimmit

Slick_007 wrote: »

Dimmit wrote: »

I strongly believe that such solution would help bring more players into the game, generates some cash and with the limits will not have the potential negative effects. ZOS, please!

i dont get how you can think this token would bring new players to the game. hey look guys, that eso game that we didnt want to play, you can change class if you PAY MONEY. we should play it!

vote no to tokens!

I meant to say "bring some players back to the game"

Alaztor91

Either this or account wide achievements needs to happen, the people who request this are probably NOT lazy players that can't be bothered to lvl another toon to 50. They are probably players who:

- Only play 1 character and are tired of how ZOS constantly changes core aspects of their class or leaves some of their skills/mechanics bugged for months.

- Play more than 1 character but have one ''main'', who probably has all the motifs/recipes/achievements/research,etc and they don't want all that time and effort gone to waste by playing another character.

A class change in this case would be appreciated by them, and I don't see how it would suddenly be P2W. People who chase the FOTM probably have all classes in both stam and mag versions lvled up anyway. Leveling up to 50 is not the problem here, the problem is all the other stuff that comes after.

If for example a player only plays a magsorc and has been playing it for years because he likes all the lightning/shock related stuff, and then suddenly ZOS decides to change every lightning related stuff from sorc to something else or if they really like pets and ZOS decides to scrap pets and replace them with another mechanic, would you tell that player to just suck it up and accept the changes/reroll an alt? He would probably quit the game if the class he played for years suddenly ends up being like nothing it was when he started.(there is precedent of this when ZOS changed some of the DK morphs from fire to poison for example)

However with class change or account wide achievements he MIGHT end up trying another class in the PTS and like the way it plays now and end up not quitting because he will not lose all the progress he has made over the years.

kargen27

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Either this or account wide achievements needs to happen, the people who request this are probably NOT lazy players that can't be bothered to lvl another toon to 50. They are probably players who:

- Only play 1 character and are tired of how ZOS constantly changes core aspects of their class or leaves some of their skills/mechanics bugged for months.

- Play more than 1 character but have one ''main'', who probably has all the motifs/recipes/achievements/research,etc and they don't want all that time and effort gone to waste by playing another character.

A class change in this case would be appreciated by them, and I don't see how it would suddenly be P2W. People who chase the FOTM probably have all classes in both stam and mag versions lvled up anyway. Leveling up to 50 is not the problem here, the problem is all the other stuff that comes after.

If for example a player only plays a magsorc and has been playing it for years because he likes all the lightning/shock related stuff, and then suddenly ZOS decides to change every lightning related stuff from sorc to something else or if they really like pets and ZOS decides to scrap pets and replace them with another mechanic, would you tell that player to just suck it up and accept the changes/reroll an alt? He would probably quit the game if the class he played for years suddenly ends up being like nothing it was when he started.(there is precedent of this when ZOS changed some of the DK morphs from fire to poison for example)

However with class change or account wide achievements he MIGHT end up trying another class in the PTS and like the way it plays now and end up not quitting because he will not lose all the progress he has made over the years.

Motifs recipes and all that fun stuff would not go to waste. Ya need food just jump on the character that can make the food. Easy enough.
This issue really doesn't affect me one way or the other. I have at least one of each class both stam and magicka. I don't think many players would use a class change simply to chase the latest greatest. With a class change the class skills are going to have to be leveled so it wouldn't be an instant switch and good to go. It would save people having to level the guild skill lines though and those can take a while.
I am against account wide achievements but class change I really wouldn't care if it were put in the game. I doubt it is going to happen though because MMOs survive on repeated content and having to start a new character plays into that.

Huyen

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Someone can answer me what are the reasons zos don't give us a token to change class?
My main toom is a dk... and with the direction that game is going I'm pretty about to quit instead of playing another character.... I've spent so much time in it that I don't want to trow it away when they turn my class into Garbage....

At some point I got the same with my Nightblade, but I just suck it up.

kaiage

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Someone can answer me what are the reasons zos don't give us a token to change class?
My main toom is a dk... and with the direction that game is going I'm pretty about to quit instead of playing another character.... I've spent so much time in it that I don't want to trow it away when they turn my class into Garbage....

It would water the game down. Don't dilute my immersion. Or else. #raisesFist

Leandor

There is no reason not to do it, and I have 14 chars at max level with 200+ skillpoints each. The P2W argument is moot as long as they don't offer BiS equipment for money, as no class is ever FOTM without the according equipment.

I also don't see faction change tokens as a major issue since sooner or later most players have chars in multiple factions anyways. As long as the current AP balance is zeroed on a faction change (only leaderboard AP, not banked AP), people will lose out on a mid-campaign change.

rafaelcsmaia

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Either this or account wide achievements needs to happen, the people who request this are probably NOT lazy players that can't be bothered to lvl another toon to 50. They are probably players who:

- Only play 1 character and are tired of how ZOS constantly changes core aspects of their class or leaves some of their skills/mechanics bugged for months.

- Play more than 1 character but have one ''main'', who probably has all the motifs/recipes/achievements/research,etc and they don't want all that time and effort gone to waste by playing another character.

A class change in this case would be appreciated by them, and I don't see how it would suddenly be P2W. People who chase the FOTM probably have all classes in both stam and mag versions lvled up anyway. Leveling up to 50 is not the problem here, the problem is all the other stuff that comes after.

If for example a player only plays a magsorc and has been playing it for years because he likes all the lightning/shock related stuff, and then suddenly ZOS decides to change every lightning related stuff from sorc to something else or if they really like pets and ZOS decides to scrap pets and replace them with another mechanic, would you tell that player to just suck it up and accept the changes/reroll an alt? He would probably quit the game if the class he played for years suddenly ends up being like nothing it was when he started.(there is precedent of this when ZOS changed some of the DK morphs from fire to poison for example)

However with class change or account wide achievements he MIGHT end up trying another class in the PTS and like the way it plays now and end up not quitting because he will not lose all the progress he has made over the years.

Well said, when you have over 20k achievement points it really does matter when you play an alt, i wont get almost 100 played days again, this is not giving new life to the game, this is crazy

QuebraRegra

Phage wrote: »

The main reason they don't offer class tokens is because it would bring the game too close to the Pay-to-win border. People with money would change their characters to the Flavor-of-the-Month class on a whim, and would be able to keep up with the meta much easier than a person who couldn't or wouldn't buy tokens.

They don't offer alliance tokens for a similar reason. People would use tokens to change alliances midway through a campaign and flock to the winning side. PvP is already unbalanced enough.

That being said, I think they could at least do alliance tokens, with a caveat. You could buy the token, but you can't use it on a character in an active campaign - only after the campaign is ended. Seems fair to me.

stop flipping the meta around constantly calling it "balance"

rafaelcsmaia

Phage wrote: »

The main reason they don't offer class tokens is because it would bring the game too close to the Pay-to-win border. People with money would change their characters to the Flavor-of-the-Month class on a whim, and would be able to keep up with the meta much easier than a person who couldn't or wouldn't buy tokens.

They don't offer alliance tokens for a similar reason. People would use tokens to change alliances midway through a campaign and flock to the winning side. PvP is already unbalanced enough.

That being said, I think they could at least do alliance tokens, with a caveat. You could buy the token, but you can't use it on a character in an active campaign - only after the campaign is ended. Seems fair to me.

I'm quite sure the ones that main a mDK now are in rejoice with the next patch changes. I for one would like to change to a stamDK so i can use it as tank in pve and melee in pvp, since zos turned my main (Sorc) into a pet carnival in tandem with heavy attack spam, nothing even close to a "mage" type of class.

All arguments fail when people leave the game patch after patch when their main toon is destroyed, there won't be fotm or balance needs when cyro and pve leaderboards have 10 ppl max on them.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

All this talk about peoples main characters and all the progress they have made. This game doesnt need class change; it needs account wide achievements (and perhaps a few other things) so people dont feel forced into playing one character!

rafaelcsmaia

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

All this talk about peoples main characters and all the progress they have made. This game doesnt need class change; it needs account wide achievements (and perhaps a few other things) so people dont feel forced into playing one character!

Makes more sense tbh, but this i think would be much harder than coding another plugin on the change race token to enable the class change too, while resetting skill points.

Also lots of people would complain about lvl 37 flawless conquerors or dromathra destroyers lol

Oreyn_Bearclaw

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

All this talk about peoples main characters and all the progress they have made. This game doesnt need class change; it needs account wide achievements (and perhaps a few other things) so people dont feel forced into playing one character!

Makes more sense tbh, but this i think would be much harder than coding another plugin on the change race token to enable the class change too, while resetting skill points.

Also lots of people would complain about lvl 37 flawless conquerors or dromathra destroyers lol

Pretty sure you could figure out a way to keep titles bound to characters, but honestly, who cares at this point? It's not like we dont have level 37s running around with VMOL and VHOF skins.

rafaelcsmaia

Well I for one don't mind the titles, but some may get upset. However im yet to see a ZOS staff reply in a thread like this, it's like we are talking about friggin voldemort or something lol

Vesper_BR

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Well I for one don't mind the titles, but some may get upset. However im yet to see a ZOS staff reply in a thread like this, it's like we are talking about friggin voldemort or something lol

lol

youre BR?

rafaelcsmaia

Vesper_BR wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Well I for one don't mind the titles, but some may get upset. However im yet to see a ZOS staff reply in a thread like this, it's like we are talking about friggin voldemort or something lol

lol

youre BR?

Yep

Stamden

Zenimax, either add class change or fix DKs. If neither of these things happen, I (and many others) are simply not going to play your game and certainly not spend money on it.

Im_MegaDeath

I didnt read anything past like the first 4 post but I think if they added this feature it would make playing the game more than once have no purpose. would also make having extra slots have no purpose. would kill off all of those who do pledges for undaunted on alts killing off pop in the group Q ect you cant be short sighted with a business.

there for no you wont get that feature :P not unless they think the game is dead and want quick money

Im_MegaDeath

Or they could add it to the game and charge a *** ton for it. would kinda balance its self out

xaraan

I assume it's because they allow us to make so many different characters.

ccfeeling

Dk, best tank class ever

Insandros

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Someone can answer me what are the reasons zos don't give us a token to change class?
My main toom is a dk... and with the direction that game is going I'm pretty about to quit instead of playing another character.... I've spent so much time in it that I don't want to trow it away when they turn my class into Garbage....

So not only you goggled meta to copy someones build, you'll be able to always change class not only not working you own *** but also not working lvl it? I mean come on, deserve your things a little bit.

rafaelcsmaia

Insandros wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Someone can answer me what are the reasons zos don't give us a token to change class?
My main toom is a dk... and with the direction that game is going I'm pretty about to quit instead of playing another character.... I've spent so much time in it that I don't want to trow it away when they turn my class into Garbage....

So not only you goggled meta to copy someones build, you'll be able to always change class not only not working you own *** but also not working lvl it? I mean come on, deserve your things a little bit.

Very insightful, now tell me what am I supposed to do after more than one of my builds got nerfed to oblivion? Make another character? What about my 24k achievement points? Emperor? Flawless conqueror? One may say this is what keep the game going, I call bull ***

Sevalaricgirl

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

Someone can answer me what are the reasons zos don't give us a token to change class?
My main toom is a dk... and with the direction that game is going I'm pretty about to quit instead of playing another character.... I've spent so much time in it that I don't want to trow it away when they turn my class into Garbage....

So not only you goggled meta to copy someones build, you'll be able to always change class not only not working you own *** but also not working lvl it? I mean come on, deserve your things a little bit.

Very insightful, now tell me what am I supposed to do after more than one of my builds got nerfed to oblivion? Make another character? What about my 24k achievement points? Emperor? Flawless conqueror? One may say this is what keep the game going, I call bull ***

The devs do NOT know how to balance the game. This has been known for a very long time. All they do is continue to nerf classes. Maybe DK now, templar then, sorc before, nightblade into the ground. Instead of buffing they nerf. Whomever is working out the numbers is not doing a good job of it.

Vostorn

Instead of class change, if too many people are against it (which I don't understand why because player look FOTM class already have each class at level 50 with tons of skillpoints), I'm up for a transfer of

• collected skyshards
• mount skills
• crafting styles and research
• quest completion
• achievements progress

Skill lines and level would match those of the targeted character. To prevent players with tons of skillpoints to go in non 50 campaign, there can be a limit to allow it only towards level 50 characters.

Silver_Strider

Only reason I want class change tokens is because I can't stand Templar or Sorc but I have their horses maxed and that would be a massive waste to just erase them.