Earthgore - The Zerg Set

Mazbt

When going through group comps before raid and the group lead is like...type EG to check how many we got then there is a problem with the set lol. needs to be toned down at least a little.

asneakybanana

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Mazbt wrote: »

When going through group comps before raid and the group lead is like...type EG to check how many we got then there is a problem with the set lol. needs to be toned down at least a little.

Yea it's just silly how effective it is. It's way too good at covering players' mistakes. If players want to stand in a stationary destro then let them die, don't give them a set that almost encourages them to stand in ground damage so eg procs and negates whatever is there. It's my firm belief that ultimates should only be able to be directly countered with ultimates. This is why you can't reflect meteor anymore. Should take a negate to remove a ground ultimate and nothing else.

DHale

I love you to death and have great respect for you but please just stop. Your guild was rocking at least 8 players with Earthgore last night. I was made to farm earthgore because your team runs Earthgore. No other reason. I watched our pugs push into you on the bridge for over 30 minutes until raid started and we fought you 5 times and the sheer number of Earthgore procs were ridiculous.

asneakybanana

DHale wrote: »

I love you to death and have great respect for you but please just stop. Your guild was rocking at least 8 players with Earthgore last night. I was made to farm earthgore because your team runs Earthgore. No other reason. I watched our pugs push into you on the bridge for over 30 minutes until raid started and we fought you 5 times and the sheer number of Earthgore procs were ridiculous.

We had 12 people in group last night and I think maybe 3 eg tops. We had 3 healers in group and 2 of them had 2 5 piece sets and master resto. The other healer had trans and he might have been wearing it idk, I think 1 of our Stam sorcs was wearing it, could have been both idk. Then we had 4 nbs running grothdarr as their monster set, a mag sorc DPS in spinners and vd so no room for eg and then 2 support sorcs that I don't think were wearing it but idk what they wear anymore. In a usual raid where we have 16 players we have 6 earthgore tops. 3 healers in it, support warden and 2 Stam support in it. My question to you is, how many in your group had eg last night?

Also just because people use a set doesn't mean it isn't bad for the game. Why would we intentionally gimp our builds and run something that isn't best in slot.

Nihilos

There's an AD guild, you probably know the one, Sneaky, that crutches so hard on earthgore that they might as well be Walter Jr. from Breaking Bad

Capsaica

Earthgore is most certainly overpowered and over-performing in PvP, especially in coordinated raids. Seeing as how the set is neither bugged nor linked to any exploit, raid leads would be (foolishly) ignoring an obvious advantage to their group if they did not push the set on their group members. Honestly though, it isn't really an advantage anymore, it is a disadvantage (for most groups) if you don't have it. Running the set puts you back on a level playing field.

I would like to see the set adjusted to make it less stupid. The play against negates and other ground-placed abilities is interesting and it is nice on some level to have a proc heal that ridiculous. I love wearing it when healing in PvE so that it can save someone if I am distracted or being lazy. But really, that is NOT a good reason to keep the set as is.

Perhaps something like this: Reduce the size of the AoE heal. Change the negate effect, but don't remove it. Make it so that the AoE of the heal is a negate field. All negative ground-placed effects are non-functional only while the AoE heal lasts. No negating of negates, just a small negate field for a few seconds. This would probably (unfortunately) encourage more of those pesky tank builds, but it would force groups to use EG in a more tactical manner if they actually want to benefit fully from the set. Nerf the heal a bit too. The heal is crazy good in PvP, not to even mention PvE. If people use it in PvE on an actual healer spec, they don't need the heal to be that big.

Something like that might maintain the usefulness of the set in PvE, while changing it in PvP to a decent choice of set among other decent set choices.

I look forward to the set's eventual nerf and the ability to return to allowing myself the ability to be a bit more creative in the choice of gear that I wear to PvP. Until then, you will see the earthgore continuing to rain down and will see such silliness like two raid groups just standing in each others' damage and their EG blood rain.

asneakybanana

Any comment on the balance of this set @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_Wrobel really hope we don't have to wait for the update after CWC for a change.

OdinForge

Earthgore is an especially *** set to deal with when outnumbered as a solo player. It's bad enough that a solo players are virtually helpless to stop greater numbers from getting a res off.

But now earthgore procs will literally hold the hands of groups and protect them from the multitude of mistakes they'll typically make while zerging someone down.

I'm not suggesting that ZOS make balance changes in the interest of making it easier to 1vX, they should just avoid these dumb design choices in the first place. Things that enable bad groups players to perform at artificially higher levels of skill.

Waffennacht

Drastically reduce cool down and make it self only. Make it solo friendly so I can abuse it

Drummerx04

I was running recently with some of my old VE friends in a group of 9ish against. We ran into a large yellow group about twice our size that literally would not push us until both earthgore and all ultimates were ready to counter our ONE bomb blade. Any time I tried to burst one of their 30k HP players (which was all of them), I would immediately have all damage undone by an earthgore proc. To top it off, they were running snare/immobilize poisons just to be that extra level of cheese.

Earthgore is a stupid and brokenly powerful set. Anyone who thinks that balance is a 2 piece set that can completely negate ground effects and ultimates and burst heal all allies in an area back to full health almost instantly... is delusional.

Waffennacht

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I was running recently with some of my old VE friends in a group of 9ish against. We ran into a large yellow group about twice our size that literally would not push us until both earthgore and all ultimates were ready to counter our ONE bomb blade. Any time I tried to burst one of their 30k HP players (which was all of them), I would immediately have all damage undone by an earthgore proc. To top it off, they were running snare/immobilize poisons just to be that extra level of cheese.

Earthgore is a stupid and brokenly powerful set. Anyone who thinks that balance is a 2 piece set that can completely negate ground effects and ultimates and burst heal all allies in an area back to full health almost instantly... is delusional.

I thought it was one player only, now I read it as single target, but AoE heal pb effect.

Maybe make the heal just a single target heal? Wouldn't that make it playable and not OP?

Drummerx04

Waffennacht wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I was running recently with some of my old VE friends in a group of 9ish against. We ran into a large yellow group about twice our size that literally would not push us until both earthgore and all ultimates were ready to counter our ONE bomb blade. Any time I tried to burst one of their 30k HP players (which was all of them), I would immediately have all damage undone by an earthgore proc. To top it off, they were running snare/immobilize poisons just to be that extra level of cheese.

Earthgore is a stupid and brokenly powerful set. Anyone who thinks that balance is a 2 piece set that can completely negate ground effects and ultimates and burst heal all allies in an area back to full health almost instantly... is delusional.

I thought it was one player only, now I read it as single target, but AoE heal pb effect.

Maybe make the heal just a single target heal? Wouldn't that make it playable and not OP?

That would make it more balanced for sure. A couple other people in this thread suggested making Earthgore either heal or negate ultimates and whatnot, but both is just too powerful, and to make things better the heal from earthgore might actually be uncapped allowing it to be the only AoE heal that can affect more than 6 allies at a time. This may just be the Earthgore hate making me paranoid though.

Earthgore is also an example of a mixed signal from ZOS. They say things like, "healing, and tankiness is out of control in PvP, so we want to nerf trees, and remove the damage mitigation from remembrance, doubled the cost of block in a given unit of time, etc" and then they release Earthgore which massively increases healing burst potential in PvP... ZOS make up your mind.

Waffennacht

Gotta be honest, now that I know exactly how this set works, I'm like, how the #$&+ did you release this?

I mean VD was created for the sole purpose of promoting people to spread out, this is like, "joking!! "

HoloYoitsu

Waffennacht wrote: »

Gotta be honest, now that I know exactly how this set works, I'm like, how the #$&+ did you release this?

I mean VD was created for the sole purpose of promoting people to spread out, this is like, "joking!! "

It's almost as if the dev team doesn't have a consistent well defined design policy...

Mihael

Things like this make me wonder if these people even step foot in cyro at all. Like it's their job to properly balance this game

IlCanis_LupuslI

Waffennacht wrote: »

Gotta be honest, now that I know exactly how this set works, I'm like, how the #$&+ did you release this?

I mean VD was created for the sole purpose of promoting people to spread out, this is like, "joking!! "

Vd was made to promote spreading out and yet the only time I encounter it is wan getting zerged down and the 1 guy next to me proccing it on me. Usually when i see 5 people charging me I don't bother fighting I ts pointless with all the cheese around I make a hasty retreat.

emma666

This set needs a huge nerf in PvP asap, heals are strong as it is and theres no need for a huge heal proc on low health enemies.

Rainingblood

OdinForge wrote: »

Earthgore is an especially *** set to deal with when outnumbered as a solo player. It's bad enough that a solo players are virtually helpless to stop greater numbers from getting a res off.

But now earthgore procs will literally hold the hands of groups and protect them from the multitude of mistakes they'll typically make while zerging someone down.

I'm not suggesting that ZOS make balance changes in the interest of making it easier to 1vX, they should just avoid these dumb design choices in the first place. Things that enable bad groups players to perform at artificially higher levels of skill.

Design choices seem to be decided by what Wrobel thinks would look cool, or not look cool.

Glory

Necro for video evidence of how bad this set is.

It really needs a change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV-nWXkud2E&feature=youtu.be