Magicka Warden DPS. How to get the most out of it?

Flameheart

Magicka Warden DPS. How to get the most out of it?

Convert to stamina or get any other magicka or stamina DD regardless which class.

WrathOfInnos

@AverageJo3Gam3r Sure I can list my rotation, no guarantee that it is the best possible though. I use a 12 second rotation, where I alternate between netch and ele drain since they both last minimum 24s.

Ele Drain or Netch, Swap,
Fissure, Fletcher, Clench, Fissure, Swap,
Unstable Wall, Winter's Revenge, Swap,
Fissure, Heavy Attack, Fissure, Swap,
Unstable Wall

Light attack before every skill (except when heavy attacking).

Use ultimate whenever it is ready. If you do not need to use ele drain, then use the bear ultimate where I have it in the rotation, the bear will be ready every 24s.

If you are in a group where ele drain is provided, and pets are not ideal, use the destruction ultimate. This will not be ready every other rotation, so I recommend filling the ele drain spot with frost cloak (to protect the group, and avoid clipping a deep fissure and wasting it).

I will agree with @Vaoh that there is a good amount of DPS lost if you have to break the rotation to cast shields, this is why I often run the unconventional monster helm Iceheart, for near 100% uptime on shields that do not require a global cooldown. For fights where everyone is stacked close, Iceheart puts out a respectable amount of damage too, very close to Grothdarr with the increased frost damage. It's possible that wearing 2X 5 piece sets would give slightly more DPS on a dummy, but I think not having to cast shields makes up the difference in dungeons and trials.

AverageJo3Gam3r

@WrathOfInnos thanks! I may run slightly different bar setups because of what vMA staffs have dropped for me. Probably run wall on my front bar. This gives me a lot to work with though. Thanks!

O_LYKOS

vpy wrote: »

I asked the same question to my guildie.
He responded something like this

"It takes one or two days of dolmen grinding or better via Skyreach to get any class to 50 and so instead of wasting time/energy yelling/cribbing/whinging at the wall...er...ZOS..just reroll a Mag Sorc.

Probs solved"

Maybe they enjoy playing warden and want to improve dps...hence the thread.

rossk25

I am currently playing a Magden with a Bosmer (He is magicka now that I am leveling him up and eventually will go stam). However, (racial choice aside) I find the magden takes a lot longer to kill enemies than what my other classes did.

One issue I have with magdens is that you need to really focus on using destro staff skills to get good spammable abilities and decent DPS. The only thing I love about my magden atm, is that I am using a combo of Ice fortress with budding seeds and leeching vines for huge dmg mitigation. This allows me to be very survivable, with most enemy attacks doing little dmg.

Also, their animations and delay in activating abilities does make it little harder to DPS.

Its seems to me that magdens are more aimed at being good healers or off tanks rather than DPS.

Cant wait to see what the stamden is going to be like, but it looks promising.

Alcast

I did quite a few tests on pts. Its possible to get good dps on magwarden, but I am sstill quite unsure on the rotation, on those parses here I only reapply on cooldown with dot tracker:

DPS Test video: https://youtu.be/P4OOumI7V84
Build: https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-warden-build-pve/

All parses completely self buffed, on PTS Clockwork city

6Mio Dummy without Bear


6Mio Dummy with Bear


3Mio Dummy with Bear

oMrRust

I had a feeling magicka wardens would do quite well for dps PVE wise.
as for PVP, I have my magicka warden running x5 necro / x5 shacklebreaker / x1 kena.

Vaoh

Alcast wrote: »

I did quite a few tests on pts. Its possible to get good dps on magwarden, but I am sstill quite unsure on the rotation, on those parses here I only reapply on cooldown with dot tracker:

DPS Test video: https://youtu.be/P4OOumI7V84
Build: https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-warden-build-pve/

All parses completely self buffed, on PTS Clockwork city

6Mio Dummy without Bear


6Mio Dummy with Bear


3Mio Dummy with Bear

I saw the vid you put out where you performed these parses @Alcast

Well done on them. Although you pulled nice numbers on the target skeleton, you and I both know a Warden can’t utilize that DPS in a trial though

Applying everything perfectly on cooldown without a true rotation is cool on a target skele, but casting skills with no rotation is a disaster for everyone except maybe a handful of PC players in trial scenarios (impossible on consoles with low FPS). You also gain so many powerful buffs/debuffs, use a bear, don’t use Deep Fissure, etc for these parses which increase a controlled solo target parse by so much. Maybe I’m just too picky because I only like seeing parses of people slotting what they would in an actual trial

I just don’t want anyone to skim over this thread and see those numbers, then tell themselves Magicka Warden is finally great in PvE and say they don’t need any buffs. I’ve pushed for Magicka Warden to get buffed since they were on PTS and if parses like these are seen it won’t matter how you got them. That’ll be enough for Mag Warden to be considered “good” like Mag NBs or Sorcs, which is far from the truth at this point in time. People already want them nerfed because of PvP....

ArchMikem

I get 12k on my Frost Mage......

If youre already getting 33k i have no idea what more help you can get.

Alcast

Vaoh wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

I did quite a few tests on pts. Its possible to get good dps on magwarden, but I am sstill quite unsure on the rotation, on those parses here I only reapply on cooldown with dot tracker:

DPS Test video: https://youtu.be/P4OOumI7V84
Build: https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-warden-build-pve/

All parses completely self buffed, on PTS Clockwork city

6Mio Dummy without Bear


6Mio Dummy with Bear


3Mio Dummy with Bear

I saw the vid you put out where you performed these parses @Alcast

Well done on them. Although you pulled nice numbers on the target skeleton, you and I both know a Warden can’t utilize that DPS in a trial though

Applying everything perfectly on cooldown without a true rotation is cool on a target skele, but casting skills with no rotation is a disaster for everyone except maybe a handful of PC players in trial scenarios (impossible on consoles with low FPS). You also gain so many powerful buffs/debuffs, use a bear, don’t use Deep Fissure, etc for these parses which increase a controlled solo target parse by so much. Maybe I’m just too picky because I only like seeing parses of people slotting what they would in an actual trial

I just don’t want anyone to skim over this thread and see those numbers, then tell themselves Magicka Warden is finally great in PvE and say they don’t need any buffs. I’ve pushed for Magicka Warden to get buffed since they were on PTS and if parses like these are seen it won’t matter how you got them. That’ll be enough for Mag Warden to be considered “good” like Mag NBs or Sorcs, which is far from the truth at this point in time. People already want them nerfed because of PvP....

Well, I think the mainproblem is nobody really tried yet because most people just go play what they used to. Plus most people prolly prefer the old classes over the Warden class. I mean for me its the same, I do not necessarily want to play a birdspamming, hippytree class >.>

I think tho with Asylum Staff on Backbar this could work. We know we have:
Winters Revenge 12s
Flies 10s
Blockade 8s

So you could try Blockade > Force Pulse > Flies > Force Pulse > Winters Revenge > Force Pulse.

Something like that, but have to do further testing when I have some more time.

WrathOfInnos

@Alcast Those are some good numbers. I had already come to the conclusion that dropping cliff racer was best for warden DPS, but I am shocked that removing deep fissure is a DPS increase. Well done discovering this.

I think it makes the point better than anything else in this thread, magicka warden can do decent DPS, as long as you minimize use of class skills. They have 2 ok DoTs, one single target and one AoE (as do most classes) but the class spammable and the intended frontal cone nuke are terrible for PVE. That and the fact that it depends so much on the bear for decent numbers, which works poorly is so many scenarios, are why nobody wants to play mag warden DPS.