Character class change.

Delte

When the game was new I made a argonian mage which used a healing staff because I wanted to make a shaman type character. Now the Warden has been released I would like to switch this character to the Warden class so I do not loose his name.

I don't mind loosing progress on skills or blueprints Just a switch to another class with the character. The reason I ask this is because I do not wish to delete the character and make a new one up only to find someone having taken the name I have for him. Nor do I wish to remake him in the character generator because I would probably never get the same look again.

Other mmo's can do this so why not ESO?

ThePrinceOfBargains

Because they outright refuse to do so, like with the auction house. These are self-righteous developers that think they have integrity and the player’s best interest in mind. Never mind that they’re consistently proven incorrect about why these features wouldn’t work or aren’t a good idea. Never mind that they’re still so self-righteous somehow even after selling out with a loot crate system. They just repeat the same nonsense about balance, dubbed “flavor of the month” by people that actually buy into this crap, or evil masterminds controlling the market. They can’t add these things because the game will literally meltdown and everyone’s computers will implode.

Asardes

Only if it costs 5K+ crowns

rafaelcsmaia

It could cost anything, however its been like a year im posting over and over and no one from zos says a thing. Some people here will even be aggressive towards you for simply mentioning class change lol, calling you lazy or whatever

BloodWolfe

Delte wrote: »

When the game was new I made a argonian mage which used a healing staff because I wanted to make a shaman type character. Now the Warden has been released I would like to switch this character to the Warden class so I do not loose his name.

I don't mind loosing progress on skills or blueprints Just a switch to another class with the character. The reason I ask this is because I do not wish to delete the character and make a new one up only to find someone having taken the name I have for him. Nor do I wish to remake him in the character generator because I would probably never get the same look again.

Other mmo's can do this so why not ESO?

Most other MMO's do NOT offer a "class change" system. The Final Fantasy MMO's are 2 of the few that have a "job" type system allowing you to learn and switch to different jobs/classes. Pay for a name change then use that name on your new character.

Stop beating a dead horse, class changes will NEVER happen!

Want a new class, make a new character!

dodgehopper_ESO

I don't see what's wrong with it. I personally wish they'd let us make more characters than we can already.

exeeter702

Delte wrote: »

When the game was new I made a argonian mage which used a healing staff because I wanted to make a shaman type character. Now the Warden has been released I would like to switch this character to the Warden class so I do not loose his name.

I don't mind loosing progress on skills or blueprints Just a switch to another class with the character. The reason I ask this is because I do not wish to delete the character and make a new one up only to find someone having taken the name I have for him. Nor do I wish to remake him in the character generator because I would probably never get the same look again.

Other mmo's can do this so why not ESO?

Well the issue here is name saving and account wide achievements. Outside of that, you have options... but it will cost you, and most would consider a waste of money but since yoi seem to have a strong stance on your characters name and look and dont mind restarting......

1-buy a name change for your current argonian. This will open up the name you want for your new character.

2-buy an appearance change token. Use it on your current argonian and it will take you to the character creator. From here you can see exactly where all the sliders and settings you used on the character so you can take note of the settings when making your new characrer.

As for actually asking for a class change. Not going to happen nor should or ever happen. No mmo worth a *** has ever allowed a player completely change their class from one to another. No, ff11 and ff14 do not count as you still have to level any new job from scratch in those games.

There is an inherent level of commitment in leveling the class you chose. And in time like most good mmos implement in some way via different sub systems, leveling alts or additional characters becomes easier and more expedient, the more seasoned and resourceful you become in game. As it should be. But an outright class change token is frankly a ridiculous and entitled request.

Chronicburn

People want this, zos can make $$ off of it, nobody gets hurt. It makes total sense. Therefore it will never happen. But you will get more nerfs.

Tandor

The reason it hasn't happened is because most players don't want it, ZOS don't want it (presumably, otherwise they'd have had a class change token in the Crown Store by now - and I mean that as a matter of fact and not critically or sarcastically), and most other MMOs don't have it either.

WrathOfInnos

I used to be opposed to this, but now I think it would be fine if handled correctly. I think you should have to level all the class skills and skill lines, xp in a sorcerer skill line should not get transferred over to a warden skill line. Things like quest completion, and leveling guild skills and alliance skills, as well as sky shards and lorebooks would carry over, and I think grinding these is the main reason people ask for class change.

Delte

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I used to be opposed to this, but now I think it would be fine if handled correctly. I think you should have to level all the class skills and skill lines, xp in a sorcerer skill line should not get transferred over to a warden skill line. Things like quest completion, and leveling guild skills and alliance skills, as well as sky shards and lorebooks would carry over, and I think grinding these is the main reason people ask for class change.

As stated I wouldn't mind in loosing all progress on all skills. Its just the danger of loosing the character name.

Slick_007

TheMaster wrote: »

Because they outright refuse to do so, like with the auction house. These are self-righteous developers that think they have integrity and the player’s best interest in mind. Never mind that they’re consistently proven incorrect about why these features wouldn’t work or aren’t a good idea. Never mind that they’re still so self-righteous somehow even after selling out with a loot crate system. They just repeat the same nonsense about balance, dubbed “flavor of the month” by people that actually buy into this crap, or evil masterminds controlling the market. They can’t add these things because the game will literally meltdown and everyone’s computers will implode.

wow just wow! look at the abuse. why do you play this game when you hate them so much?
the features arent a good idea maybe because it is against the vision that they, the creators, have for their product. its not self righteous, lack of integrity or any other term you wanna accuse them of. its their right, as the makers of this product, to say no they dont want to do it. If you dont like it, gimme your gear on the way out. either way, why dont you stop abusing them while continuing to use their product.

Banana

The sorcerer population would suddenly go through the roof. Maybe they would get a nerf after that.

SydneyGrey

Tandor wrote: »

The reason it hasn't happened is because most players don't want it...

According to this poll, there are more people who want it than don't, at least by a little bit.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/352117/would-you-want-a-class-re-choose-token-option-in-the-game/p1

I've heard it won't happen because it would be too difficult to do, though.

Imza

I regularly re-use character names when I re-roll my character if I don't like it.

use a name change token and then instantly create a new character and give it the name you just changed from....

ThePrinceOfBargains

Slick_007 wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Because they outright refuse to do so, like with the auction house. These are self-righteous developers that think they have integrity and the player’s best interest in mind. Never mind that they’re consistently proven incorrect about why these features wouldn’t work or aren’t a good idea. Never mind that they’re still so self-righteous somehow even after selling out with a loot crate system. They just repeat the same nonsense about balance, dubbed “flavor of the month” by people that actually buy into this crap, or evil masterminds controlling the market. They can’t add these things because the game will literally meltdown and everyone’s computers will implode.

wow just wow! look at the abuse. why do you play this game when you hate them so much?
the features arent a good idea maybe because it is against the vision that they, the creators, have for their product. its not self righteous, lack of integrity or any other term you wanna accuse them of. its their right, as the makers of this product, to say no they dont want to do it. If you dont like it, gimme your gear on the way out. either way, why dont you stop abusing them while continuing to use their product.

Lmao, wtf? Abuse? Criticizing their atrociously misguided design choices is abuse? Everything I said is true. They lost whatever integrity they had when they introduced crown crates and started branding certain DLCs as “expansions” to weasel out of the ESO Plus deal. I wouldn’t be playing the game if I didn’t like playing it. This does not require me to respect the people making it or agree with every awful decision they make. It also doesn’t require me to think this is one of the greatest games of all time. It’s not even close. “But hey, it’s Elder Scrolls” and “it’s good for an MMO” are about the best I can say about it. And no, I won’t stop criticizing them while using their product. I reserve the right, as a paying customer, to criticize the game at any point for any reason.

Slick_007

TheMaster wrote: »

I reserve the right, as a paying customer, to criticize the game at any point for any reason.

you drink your own kool aid dont you? i suggest you go back and read the drivel you posted earlier and tell me where you are criticising the game and not the developers.
calling developers self righteous and lacking integrity is not criticising their product. You are just being a rude jerk and are doing nothing to help your argument by the way you abuse the devs.

This ability sux = criticising the game
the devs are self righteous, lacking in integrity because they wont implement what i want, when i want = criticising the people who made decisions you didnt like, in their own product. For which they are entitled to do as the creator of the product. They reserve the right to ignore you. The way you act, i'll bet they do.

Generally people who have issues like you find a new product to abuse. I wish you would.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

@TheMaster :

TheMaster wrote: »

Because they outright refuse to do so, like with the auction house. These are self-righteous developers that think they have integrity and the player’s best interest in mind. Never mind that they’re consistently proven incorrect about why these features wouldn’t work or aren’t a good idea. Never mind that they’re still so self-righteous somehow even after selling out with a loot crate system. They just repeat the same nonsense about balance, dubbed “flavor of the month” by people that actually buy into this crap, or evil masterminds controlling the market. They can’t add these things because the game will literally meltdown and everyone’s computers will implode.

Haha "self-righteous"? Your post is tantamount to that of a small child having a tantrum, holding his breath in the toy aisle. I owe you a debt of gratitude for giving me such a laugh first thing in the morning! It is their game, they can do as they please. I also enjoyed your assertion that "Never mind that they’re consistently proven incorrect about why these features wouldn’t work or aren’t a good idea." Such "factual" accusations are impossible to argue with! I still enjoy the hell out of this game and I don't mind the loot crates at all. Have bought a few myself.
As an altoholic I certainly sympathize with OP's dilemma but as stated above there are a couple ways around it.
Oh, and be sure to add me to your friends list. I suspect I would enjoy your rants.

ThePrinceOfBargains

Slick_007 wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

I reserve the right, as a paying customer, to criticize the game at any point for any reason.

you drink your own kool aid dont you? i suggest you go back and read the drivel you posted earlier and tell me where you are criticising the game and not the developers.
calling developers self righteous and lacking integrity is not criticising their product. You are just being a rude jerk and are doing nothing to help your argument by the way you abuse the devs.

I also reserve the right to criticize the people making the game. Everyone has that right. Seriously, stop white knighting them like they need or want you to defend them. In fact, they want you not to defend them, as it pointlessly derails the topic. If the developers do something that I and many others perceive as shady, I am allowed to criticize them for it. What don’t you understand about that simple concept?

Slick_007 wrote: »

the devs are self righteous, lacking in integrity because they wont implement what i want, when i want-

rafaelcsmaia

@Delte see what i mean? Most posts end up in a crazy rage war and ppl arguing, its like discussing politics or gender stuff, thats why we cant have good things lol

Riejael

Delte wrote: »

Other mmo's can do this so why not ESO?

Everquest
Everquest 2
World of Warcraft
Final Fantasy XI*
Final Fantasy XIV*
Star Trek Online
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Rift*
Defiance
Neverwinter

*Only the two final fantasies have class change, but you cannot change the class you started with to something else, only add to it. Rift allows you to swap trees, but the base class is fixed.

Those are a list of just some the more popular MMOs and NONE of them allow for a paid class change. So which MMOs are you talking about? I can only think of Planetside 2 (which allows class change on the fly), and DDO which is damn near a deletion of the character when you do it.

But you know what? I'm not going to disagree. Allow class change. Put a 5000-7500 crown price on it. Let the whales pour some support into the game.

TheShadowScout

The only thing about class change is that the powers that be have decided not to do it.

Which would have been fine... until they added the warden class. Now some people are vexed, feeling cheated when they have characters they played since lanuch and suddenly the warden would have made a much better sense for their character concept.
Yeah, I have two of that sort myself.

At this point, the only possible option is making new wardens woth the old concept and name, while renaming the old characters to something else to free up the character name, and pray the idea works out. (It is somewhat easier if you had been undecisive about the names back then, and had two options... then you can use the second option for the new character, like I did). And possibly refit the old character with a racechange and a different backstory. Or just use them as mules instead. Or whatever.

Now, its always possible that at some point he powers that be will change their minds. That they will add a class change token that allows one to change their characters class, automatically refunds their spent skill points, and requires them to remax and remorph all the class skills... since those would now be new class skills... and price that at 5000 crowns, to keep the FotM chasers from switching too willy-nilly. Its possible - they could do it if they so choose. But I would not suggest holding your breath...

Slick_007

TheShadowScout wrote: »

The only thing about class change is that the powers that be have decided not to do it.

Which would have been fine... until they added the warden class. Now some people are vexed, feeling cheated when they have characters they played since lanuch and suddenly the warden would have made a much better sense for their character concept.
Yeah, I have two of that sort myself.

i feel cheated. i mean, i got oblivion and then they went and made skyrim. i feel so cheated man. its so unfair.

how the hell can people feel cheated by warden being released? go get a freakin warden if you want one. its available to EVERYONE. how exactly did ZOS cheat these clowns?

Riejael

Slick_007 wrote: »

i feel cheated. i mean, i got oblivion and then they went and made skyrim. i feel so cheated man. its so unfair.

how the hell can people feel cheated by warden being released? go get a freakin warden if you want one. its available to EVERYONE. how exactly did ZOS cheat these clowns?

They're part of a anti-corporate culture that thrives on complaining. This time they're grasping at straws to find something to complain about.

Had ZOS actually implemented class change. These same people would complain that they are profiting off of them. Same argument from the same people just different side of the same coin.

rafaelcsmaia

Slick_007 wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

The only thing about class change is that the powers that be have decided not to do it.

Which would have been fine... until they added the warden class. Now some people are vexed, feeling cheated when they have characters they played since lanuch and suddenly the warden would have made a much better sense for their character concept.
Yeah, I have two of that sort myself.

i feel cheated. i mean, i got oblivion and then they went and made skyrim. i feel so cheated man. its so unfair.

how the hell can people feel cheated by warden being released? go get a freakin warden if you want one. its available to EVERYONE. how exactly did ZOS cheat these clowns?

Actually those people miss the point of the request. Class change shouldnt be implemented because they "cheated" players, but rather for a matter of convenience or whatever. Whining never gets you anything useful

ookami007

I've said it before... I'll say it again.

If ZoS is allowed to make changes (sometimes drastically) to classes, then we should be able to change classes. But, I would add the limitation that you can only change to a class you've already ranked a character to 50 in AND one class change per character per month.

While I understand that rolling a new toon is not that big of a deal (I can get a toon from 1 to 50 in a few days), the other stuff is a Pain in the Butt... without dropping TONS of money, you will be waiting half a year to have your horse maxed out (180 days) and then there's Cyrodil ranks, achievements, crafting levels, etc.

White wabbit

Wouldn't be any point to having additional charcter slots if this was to happen

ThePrinceOfBargains

White wabbit wrote: »

Wouldn't be any point to having additional charcter slots if this was to happen

“Flawless” logic. Except if that were the case, we’d have no need for more than 5 slots. Instead they offer 8 (which really should’ve been bumped to ten with the addition of the Warden) and even sell more slots at extortionate prices. While playing other classes can be an inspiration, people don’t create alts just to do so. It doesn’t effect sales of slots because if someone wants a class change, they want it for that specific character. Meaning if they’re desperate enough, they’ll delete the first one and create a duplicate. As in, no new slots are being used up to inspire an eventual purchase of additional slots.

Medakon

TheMaster wrote: »

Because they outright refuse to do so, like with the auction house. These are self-righteous developers that think they have integrity and the player’s best interest in mind. Never mind that they’re consistently proven incorrect about why these features wouldn’t work or aren’t a good idea. Never mind that they’re still so self-righteous somehow even after selling out with a loot crate system. They just repeat the same nonsense about balance, dubbed “flavor of the month” by people that actually buy into this crap, or evil masterminds controlling the market. They can’t add these things because the game will literally meltdown and everyone’s computers will implode.

Remember when they said we would never ever EVER have mounts other that horses?
Or when they said we would never have event in game, or race change due to lore?
I remember

White wabbit

Wouldn't be any point to having additional charcter slots if this was to happen

TheMaster wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Wouldn't be any point to having additional charcter slots if this was to happen

“Flawless” logic. Except if that were the case, we’d have no need for more than 5 slots. Instead they offer 8 (which really should’ve been bumped to ten with the addition of the Warden) and even sell more slots at extortionate prices. While playing other classes can be an inspiration, people don’t create alts just to do so. It doesn’t effect sales of slots because if someone wants a class change, they want it for that specific character. Meaning if they’re desperate enough, they’ll delete the first one and create a duplicate. As in, no new slots are being used up to inspire an eventual purchase of additional slots.

Only need one slot if people had their way

Tandor

TheShadowScout wrote: »

The only thing about class change is that the powers that be have decided not to do it.

Which would have been fine... until they added the warden class. Now some people are vexed, feeling cheated when they have characters they played since lanuch and suddenly the warden would have made a much better sense for their character concept.
Yeah, I have two of that sort myself.

At this point, the only possible option is making new wardens woth the old concept and name, while renaming the old characters to something else to free up the character name, and pray the idea works out. (It is somewhat easier if you had been undecisive about the names back then, and had two options... then you can use the second option for the new character, like I did). And possibly refit the old character with a racechange and a different backstory. Or just use them as mules instead. Or whatever.

Now, its always possible that at some point he powers that be will change their minds. That they will add a class change token that allows one to change their characters class, automatically refunds their spent skill points, and requires them to remax and remorph all the class skills... since those would now be new class skills... and price that at 5000 crowns, to keep the FotM chasers from switching too willy-nilly. Its possible - they could do it if they so choose. But I would not suggest holding your breath...

You can duplicate the first name of a character as long as you add a second name. I could, for example, have both "Tandor the First" and "Tandor the Second". Depending on your naming arrangements, you should therefore be able to use the existing character's first name but may need to add a second name to distinguish it from the first character whose name you should be able to retain. Hope that makes sense!