Dumb Alchemists

StackonClown

Regarding the upcoming changes to Clever Alchemist, were people really using it then changing gear for a gank? Well what do you know!
Where would Zenny get this information to the extent they made this change and explained that was the reason??

FakeFox

It's possible but why should you do it? It's unnecessary, slow and leads to bugs. Damage Output for ganking and bombing is more then enough anyway. I never heard of anybody using this technique...

StackonClown

I hadnt heard of it either but seems the devs are adamant it was enough of an issue that it needed to be specifically nerfed... Does anyone out there use this technique?

firedrgn

They where probably using it in battlegrounds. Then equipment proc sets. Not sure how else it would benefit.

StackonClown

It was probably more widespread considering the specific nerf and comments by devs.

AzraelKrieg

The information would come from the PC servers. Addons such as Dressing Room and Alpha Gear allow for single button gear switching while out of combat. Most people that use them have gear setups for various content so it's a handy thing to have in something like vMA where you may need to switch gear between rounds. Since it's an out of combat thing, a ganker could have CA on one button, switch to it, pop a potion, press another button to a more effective gear setup and proceed with the gank while the CA potion buff is still up.

chaserstorm16909

I used to use this technique all the time to gank in the Imperial City. It raised my spell damage to 4300 from 2800.

getemshauna

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I used to use this technique all the time to gank in the Imperial City. It raised my spell damage to 4300 from 2800.

Congratulations, now ZOS - ban this dude for exploiting please and revert the change to the Clever Alchemist or.... Make the effect dissapear, when 5th piece is taken off...?(doesn't include weapon swaps) So simple.

StackonClown

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

The information would come from the PC servers. Addons such as Dressing Room and Alpha Gear allow for single button gear switching while out of combat. Most people that use them have gear setups for various content so it's a handy thing to have in something like vMA where you may need to switch gear between rounds. Since it's an out of combat thing, a ganker could have CA on one button, switch to it, pop a potion, press another button to a more effective gear setup and proceed with the gank while the CA potion buff is still up.

aha! that explains it - thanks for clarifying

chaserstorm16909

gethemshauna wrote: »

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I used to use this technique all the time to gank in the Imperial City. It raised my spell damage to 4300 from 2800.

Congratulations, now ZOS - ban this dude for exploiting please and revert the change to the Clever Alchemist or.... Make the effect dissapear, when 5th piece is taken off...? So simple.

I am on console, so I can't switch gear with an addon. What I meant, was I would activate CA then bar swap. That's not an exploit.

getemshauna

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I used to use this technique all the time to gank in the Imperial City. It raised my spell damage to 4300 from 2800.

Congratulations, now ZOS - ban this dude for exploiting please and revert the change to the Clever Alchemist or.... Make the effect dissapear, when 5th piece is taken off...? So simple.

I am on console, so I can't switch gear with an addon. What I meant, was I would activate CA then bar swap. That's not an exploit.

Ok, that is typical use of CA. I thought you were switching entire gear with single click of an addon. Sorry.

Sixty5

The idea behind clever Alchemist is getting a well timed proc to burst someone down.

The change doesn't affect that.

Hell bow gank builds can still use CA just fine, since you have plenty of time while snipe is in the air to pop a potion while being considered to be in combat.

Apart from that I have no issue with less ganking cheese.

Narvuntien

Sixty5 wrote: »

The idea behind clever Alchemist is getting a well timed proc to burst someone down.

The change doesn't affect that.

Hell bow gank builds can still use CA just fine, since you have plenty of time while snipe is in the air to pop a potion while being considered to be in combat.

Apart from that I have no issue with less ganking cheese.

That would be true if.... PVP wasn't unplayabley laggy.

Tommy_The_Gun

This change pretty much targets only one particular build... BombBlade - so yeah... another nerf to NB i guess... (although I have seen some other classes ruining this setup but magblade preforms slightly better).

It works like this - spell dmg potion + Clever Alchemist + Vicious Death... But apparently it is possible (after drinking potion) to switch gear to get even more spell dmg and still retaining the bonus...

ZOS is just too lazy to make a proper fix. After next patch this sets will become useless.... people will run Hunding's Rage or Law of Julianos instead... And as much as don't like being bombed or ganked in cyro (at some point learned how to counter those stations) I am against removing certain play-styles and reducing variety in game....

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Clever+Alchemist+Set
"(5 Items) When you drink a potion you feel a rush of energy, gaining 653 Weapon and Spell Damage for 15 seconds."

They should simply change it so the bonus is only active as long as the 5th pcs are equipped.
It reminds me of a similar "bug" or exploit with the "Twice-Born Star" Set (but it was fixed long time ago) that allowed you to have 2 mundus stone bonus without 5pcs of this set...
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twice-Born+Star+Set
"(5 items) Allows you to have two Mundus Stone Boons at the same time."