ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE NEW ASYLUM WEAPONS???

Shadzilla

After 3.5 years of this game being out, we are now getting our 3rd set of special unique weapons that revolve around specific skills... Weapons like this are extremely important to differentiating playstyles and adding variety to a vast quantity of builds...

With only one more PTS patch to come before live, how is everyone liking these new weapons in their current state?

Shadzilla

No, explain.

Dual wield weapons are horrible to say the least, pretty disappointed. Actually, everything is pretty bad except the destro in my opinion... Not suprised, but very disappointed .

Dasovaruilos

No, explain.

Was very excited for Resto, turns out it is mostly useless.

Hoped for an interesting Dual Wield option, but also not very good.

Really wanted some group support option for tanks, but nope, 2 5 piece sets still way better.

Was sure the bow was going to enable a viable Bow/Bow tanged Stamina DPS for trials build but, one more time, not even close.

As long as ZOS is too afraid to actually make special weapons special and better than a 4 piece set bonus, they will be inderhwelming .

Special weapon vs 4piece set bonus should not be a choice at all. Special weapons should always win.

Not only that but I’ll likely need to drip my Master resto too because I will never proc the enchant with healing and will miss the magicka.

Malic

Yes, explain.

Its great, keeping the best gear in the game behind a pay wall is a positive thing.

Shadzilla

No, explain.

Malic wrote: »

Its great, keeping the best gear in the game behind a pay wall is a positive thing.

The majority of these weapons are not considered the best gear...

Juhasow

No, explain.

I am kinda dissapointed that Zenimax not hesitated to make imperfect destro staff trully imperfect because of forum QQers but is affaraid to do the same with 2h for example because same QQers want it for PvP.

Narvuntien

No, explain.

... nevermind I miss read the patch notes

Chronicburn

No, explain.

I'm just not happy in general with all the nerfs so this isn't helping ... just not happy

SoLooney

Those asylum weapons are for the most part trash Ill probably do the trial for a clear and to get that runebox

Olupajmibanan

Asylum SnB seems super interesting. I'll surely find use for it.

Asylum destro staff is good for group support. I think that good groups will always demand at least one player with Asylum destro. Better concussed uptime, better off balance uptime. Why not?

Asylum bow is kind of a wild card. May turn extremely good or extremely weak. Speaking for myself, I won't touch it anyways.

The rest of Asylum weps is good only for research and mats from deconstructing.

Tasear

No, explain.

Resto might be interesting for some infinite sustain build, but am wondering why it's needed. The rest are just a bit underwhelming especially desto staff change.

Flaminir

No, explain.

The trouble is they are weaker than other options....

Ability altering weapons are supposed to be strong, unique, and at least viable... if not BIS given the effort that has to go into getting them.

Asylum weapons just aren't any of these things.

I was particularly disapointed with the weapons for Healers & Tanks. This was an ideal opportunity to provide a unique weapon to support what has been the meta here for a very long time... group support! There hasn't been any change to the healers gear meta in years.

Instead what we get is a pointlessly selfish cost reduction on the resto staff (Which healers didn't need anyway), and a selfish resource reallocation tool for tanks that goes the wrong way (Seriously... how many tanks have so much stamina that they want to convert this to magicka!? Its the other way around!).

Coupled this with very dubious DD options... the destro staff nerf turning it from viable in some groups to decon fodder, and the locking of the only 'viable' staff behind a significantly buffed version of hard mode that even Hodor are massively struggling with since the changes last PTS patch....

Well... I was extremely excited for this trial... and having been on PTS it is a lot of fun, but the ball seems too have been dropped on the rewards side!

Tyrion87

No, explain.

Lol how can anybody say that asylum destro is good?

It was indeed good before they nerfed it because of some forum whiners.

It would be good even when nerfed but before all these horrible sustain changes in Morrowind. Now very few people will be able to sustain force pulse spamming to maintain the good uptime of debuffs.

Not to mention that imperfect destro is - in contrast to all other imperfect asylum weapons - 50% weaker than its perfected counterpart which makes it totally useless. Most people will stick to their trial staves instead of imperfected staves. While perfected staves... well let's be honest here, if vAS HM is considered to be the hardest content so far, how many people and when will put their hands on these perfected weapons?

I was excited about these weapons when they announced them but now I don't even plan to use them at all. We have so many other equally good or even better alternatives. That's a shame.

Olupajmibanan

Flaminir wrote: »

selfish resource reallocation tool for tanks that goes the wrong way (Seriously... how many tanks have so much stamina that they want to convert this to magicka!? Its the other way around!).

There are tanks that want exactly that, and I wouldn't call them "going wrong way". Don't forget that PvE isn't the only part of ESO.

Asylum SnB works even if you back bar it with Defensive Posture. So you can setup it on your back bar, go front bar and still maintaining the effect while having another set active.

eso_nya

Yes, explain.

To be completely honest:
- nHoF is not ready to be pugged yet, maybe somewhen next year, maybe not before 2019
- assylum looks like "wont be able to pug it before 2020"
- none of the asylum weapons looks good enough to replace any of the weaps i have right now

"Pugged": Im aware that i could run with the guild, but that would break down to 2, maybe 3 runs/week. For farming gear, to give me a feeling of efficiency, i need to be able to run 5 to 10 alts thru it every day, and a run should take 30 mins to 1 hour.

I'm happy that i have no reason to go to a place that i wont be able to farm efficiently for the next one or two years. I'm selfish

Flaminir

No, explain.

Tyrion87 wrote: »

well let's be honest here, if vAS HM is considered to be the hardest content so far, how many people and when will put their hands on these perfected weapons?

And here lays a big problem...

Since the buffs to vAS on PTS even Hodor are struggling... was watching them on Twitch the other night... wipe after wipe after wipe and just an RNG nightmare whether they lived or died. and that was not even on the full hardmode, they were struggling with just two bosses.

If even Hodor are struggling then this gives two obvious options / conclusions:

1. You could consider the trial too hard, nerf it, and therefore make the perfected weapons easier to get hold of.
2. You could leave the trial as it is so the elite guilds can get their skin / polymorph for hard mode, but then add the perfected weapons so they drop in any configuration of the VETERAN mode of the trial.

My choice would be number two... currently there is little benefit in vet as opposed to normal... and the jump in rewards from normal to Vet hard mode is too big, adding perfected weapons to Vet would help bridge this.

Cage_Lizardman

No, explain.

That destro staff now seems to be either useless, or only attainable by people who don't need it. So I guess I won't have that.

The 2h seems interesting for my stamplar, even as imperfect.

I don't care for the rest.

Tyrion87

No, explain.

Flaminir wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

well let's be honest here, if vAS HM is considered to be the hardest content so far, how many people and when will put their hands on these perfected weapons?

And here lays a big problem...

Since the buffs to vAS on PTS even Hodor are struggling... was watching them on Twitch the other night... wipe after wipe after wipe and just an RNG nightmare whether they lived or died. and that was not even on the full hardmode, they were struggling with just two bosses.

If even Hodor are struggling then this gives two obvious options / conclusions:

1. You could consider the trial too hard, nerf it, and therefore make the perfected weapons easier to get hold of.
2. You could leave the trial as it is so the elite guilds can get their skin / polymorph for hard mode, but then add the perfected weapons so they drop in any configuration of the VETERAN mode of the trial.

My choice would be number two... currently there is little benefit in vet as opposed to normal... and the jump in rewards from normal to Vet hard mode is too big, adding perfected weapons to Vet would help bridge this.

Yes, I agree with you Flam (option no. 2). There were already some requests from players that perfected asylum weapons should drop from vet trial (without HM). There has been no content so far that would gate gear behind the hard mode. HM should be (and has always been) for the score, for the challenge, eventually for some collectibles (cosmetic rewards) but never a gear. Alternatively, there could be a *chance*, like 50%, to get perfected weapons on nonHM, and a guaranteed drop from HM.

Izaki

No, explain.

I've explained it too many time over the last 3 weeks already!

SammyFable

No, explain.

Most of them are rather meh.

Enslaved

No, explain.

I will never wield them. And these who will are going to make PvP harder.

Teridaxus

I love the idea of imperfect and perfect variants and hope they add those for master and maelstorm weapons too.
I would be okay if they nerf the imperfect variants even more down to 66% of the perfect performance.

Kirameku

I'm disappointed that asylum weapons drop in normal...

Countcalorie

No, explain.

No I am not happy.

Izaki

No, explain.

Teridaxus wrote: »

I love the idea of imperfect and perfect variants and hope they add those for master and maelstorm weapons too.
I would be okay if they nerf the imperfect variants even more down to 66% of the perfect performance.

Yeah, I think that this is what they should do as well.

Loc2262

No, explain.

Tyrion87 wrote: »

There has been no content so far that would gate gear behind the hard mode. HM should be (and has always been) for the score, for the challenge, eventually for some collectibles (cosmetic rewards) but never a gear. Alternatively, there could be a *chance*, like 50%, to get perfected weapons on nonHM, and a guaranteed drop from HM.

I agree with that, like the motifs in vet Mazza.

Derra

No, explain.

I don´t think pvp relevant gear should come from 12m trial content especially when there´s a better version for doing vetHM.
You should not be able to get an advantage in pvp for raiding.

GrigorijMalahevich

No, explain.

Sounds good, doesn't work.

I am not very social person, don't care about any group content specially trials...

Give us another vMA solo trial!

Storymaster

Shadzilla wrote: »

ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE NEW ASYLUM WEAPONS???

Let's see, we have the Batclaw, the Batarang, the Multi-Batarang, the Remote Control Batarang, Explosive Gel, the Cryptographic Sequencer, the Line Launcher, the Sonic Batarang. I mean, Asylum came out 8 years ago, so it's possible I could have left some out. But yes, I was pretty happy with them. I though Asylum was pretty revolutionary all around, if we're being frank.

DeadlyRecluse

No, explain.

Destro needs a rebalance/readjustment so imperfect isn't trash (but maybe not back to where they were both near-mandatory for PvP magicka builds).

DW just needs a redesign. It's boring AND underwhelming.

1h+Shield doesn't excite me, but it's okay I guess. I personally don't see a build for it, but I'm sure someone will. I don't really have a better idea for a set that modifies Defensive Posture.

Bow is pretty weak, but I have chatted with a few people who are excited about it in niche applications.

2H and Resto (with the recent tweak) look fine--might just need finessing on the numbers, but the core design looks fun.

Shadzilla

No, explain.

Flaminir wrote: »

The trouble is they are weaker than other options....

Ability altering weapons are supposed to be strong, unique, and at least viable... if not BIS given the effort that has to go into getting them.

Asylum weapons just aren't any of these things.

I was particularly disapointed with the weapons for Healers & Tanks. This was an ideal opportunity to provide a unique weapon to support what has been the meta here for a very long time... group support! There hasn't been any change to the healers gear meta in years.

Instead what we get is a pointlessly selfish cost reduction on the resto staff (Which healers didn't need anyway), and a selfish resource reallocation tool for tanks that goes the wrong way (Seriously... how many tanks have so much stamina that they want to convert this to magicka!? Its the other way around!).

Coupled this with very dubious DD options... the destro staff nerf turning it from viable in some groups to decon fodder, and the locking of the only 'viable' staff behind a significantly buffed version of hard mode that even Hodor are massively struggling with since the changes last PTS patch....

Well... I was extremely excited for this trial... and having been on PTS it is a lot of fun, but the ball seems too have been dropped on the rewards side!

Best quote of this thread.