Stamblade 52.6k DPS self buffed 3mil burst... It just got higher!

chaz

Nice, do you have a guide tutorial how you made your nightblade build. I've been looking around for people to help me fine tune my night blade but could never get advice good enough so I turned mine into magicka/stam nightblade. It's pretty strong in PvE areas , then in PvP areas I'll use it mostly for tank ganker hunting with a group. I can't personally defeat one myself with nightblade, but I'll use mine to debuff a tank with major breach and major fracture then cc, and it's been helping the group dps these sneak attackers to death.

But using dps in PvP areas is ok, but I like to have a great dps magblade to run smoothly in Pve Dungeons or arenas.

Croblasta

What did you pair with WM?

And if you don't have WM, what would you pair with VO?

Izaki

Croblasta wrote: »

What did you pair with WM?

And if you don't have WM, what would you pair with VO?

For dummies or for raids?

In all the parses that are in the OP, I use Two Fanged and Kra'gh as my main sets and either WM or VO active only on the front bar. In raids, instead of Two-Fanged, I use Hunding's and instead of Kra'gh I use Velidreth. BUT, that's only because other people in my group wear NMG and Sunderflame (Tank is providing Infused Torug's Crusher enchant annd a Stamplar provides Minor Fracture).

Btw, I thought it was pretty clear from the parse, in Combat Metrics you can see Two-Fanged Snake stack uptimes.

Qbiken

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Buff Radiant Opression to the level of Killers Blade and i'm happy.

So nerf it?

More like: Fix it

Croblasta

Izaki wrote: »

Croblasta wrote: »

What did you pair with WM?

And if you don't have WM, what would you pair with VO?

For dummies or for raids?

In all the parses that are in the OP, I use Two Fanged and Kra'gh as my main sets and either WM or VO active only on the front bar. In raids, instead of Two-Fanged, I use Hunding's and instead of Kra'gh I use Velidreth. BUT, that's only because other people in my group wear NMG and Sunderflame (Tank is providing Infused Torug's Crusher enchant annd a Stamplar provides Minor Fracture).

Btw, I thought it was pretty clear from the parse, in Combat Metrics you can see Two-Fanged Snake stack uptimes.

Sorry I didn't even notice the TFS in the parse. Thank for the info!

DeHei

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

getemshauna

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Whole Izaki's explanation about great stamblade selfbuffs didn't give you a single clue? Or maybe you are just a troll?

Edit: and baby, stamblade is the class what needs to play with 20 arms. Learn the game, then post your opinions.

DeHei

gethemshauna wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Whole Izaki's explanation about great stamblade selfbuffs didn't give you a single clue? Or maybe you are just a troll?

Edit: and baby, stamblade is the class what needs to play with 20 arms. Learn the game, then post your opinions.

I know the game. I just waited for some threads lile this to write my opinion. Balance is *** actually! Its really to easy as staminaplayer to reach amazing high DPS scores...
I readed, that he said in reason of most selfbuffs from nightblades. Its true, but in reality other classes cant do this numbers for singletarget, when they are allready raidbuffed... Maybe you should learn more from all points of view in this game!

Bladerunner1

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

It's pretty awesome seeing a Stamblade hit those numbers, they were dead last as far as DPS goes less than a year ago. They have the most given self buffs that any group should be providing anyway, and the rotation is very complicated, like running up to a boss and lining up the faces of a rubix cube to get that much damage. Almost half the damage from a Stamblade comes from direct damage attacks, the moment a boss mechanic takes place the DPS drops off to non-existence as they chase down the boss again.

Izaki

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

@DeHei

With War Machine I sit at 46k on the 6mil dummy. Without War Machine as you can see in the OP I'm at 45k.

And in raids, Stamblade is on the lower spectrum of DPS.

So this post doesn't show anything of what you said, but the fact that I finally managed to hit 50k solo burst DPS on a fight that lasts shorter than 60 seconds. Does every class have the same amount of burst? No. Stam DKs don't have the same kind of burst, but they have much more sustainable DPS, which is why literally every single good raid group runs 3 or 4 of them (without any Stamblades). I could easily hit 49k on Stam Sorc and Stam Templar too when I have the exact same buffs, aka a healer and a tank applying Minor Berserk and Major Fracture for me. Except Sorc also does a metric *** ton of AoE damage and Stamplar gives Minor Breach and Fracture to the whole group while also dealing some pretty huge AoE DPS. My Stamblade? Lowest AoE DPS in the game. It doesn't have anything other than burst. The sustained DPS is lower than DK or Sorc and you have to give about 500% of concentration and work for each raid just to be allowed to come on a Stamblade. I fought hard to be able to bring my Stamblade into raids, and even then, I often end up playing Stamplar.

Now, lets see how high a Stamplar can theoretically hit, shall we?



So 41k DPS without Fracture or Berserk. 44% uptime on Major Slayer, same as the Stamblade. Major Fracture gives a DPS increase of about 11%. Minor Berserk gives a DPS increase of roughly 6-7% due to the additive nature of CP stars (yes this is still a problem, it was only fixed with execute scaling). So in total we can expect 41144 x 1.175% = 48344 DPS. This is theoretical, the actual DPS would be higher since you would have more overall burst in execute and at the start of the fight. So its a 2k DPS difference. Considering that one class is single target only and the other has some pretty good cleave damage.

Now lets see how high a Stam Sorc can theoretically hit, shall we?



So 40.5k DPS without Fracture, Berserk or Major Slayer. Keep in mind that I also used Steel Tornado in this parse, so the AoE damage is through the roof. We'll take the same values as we did for Stamplar for Fracture and Berserk. So 44% uptime of Major Slayer would result in roughly 6% extra DPS. So 40468 x 1.235 = 49778 DPS. Yeah. Only 600 DPS behind the Stamblade. With Steel Tornado as a spammable. Not only that, but since Steel Tornado is an execute and is multiplicative with Major Slayer and Minor Berserk, it would be hitting MUCH harder, which would definitely cause Sorc to surpass Stamblade.

Still think that Stamblade is OP? If you do, let's take a Stam DK on the 6mil dummy vs a Stamblade on the 6mil dummy. Here's the parse:



41365. The Stamblade robust parse is in the OP. No Major Slayer was used, since I used VO. Since DK has Fracture but only with a 70% uptime (vs Stamblade 95%), we gotta add about 10% in total to the DK DPS. That gives you 45502 DPS. And in raids, DKs will also benefit much more from Morag Tong, making the DPS higher still.

So yeah, don't come here saying Stamblades need nerfs, when the only thing they can do properly is burst 3mil dummies and do 600k scores in vMA (which is all about burst). The only reason for having a Stamblade in a raid is having a second War Machine.

Magicka DPS might be lower on dummies, but look at actual raid parses and you will see that there's much less of a gap between Stam and Mag. Having access to a ton of self buff is nice, but its no use aside from solo content or PvP. In group PvE, everyone gets the same buffs and everyone will hit harder than you if you're a Stamblade.

DeHei

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

It's pretty awesome seeing a Stamblade hit those numbers, they were dead last as far as DPS goes less than a year ago. They have the most given self buffs that any group should be providing anyway, and the rotation is very complicated, like running up to a boss and lining up the faces of a rubix cube to get that much damage. Almost half the damage from a Stamblade comes from direct damage attacks, the moment a boss mechanic takes place the DPS drops off to non-existence as they chase down the boss again.

Every rotation is easy learnable since we have the DPS dummies snd can train them 24/7.. So we dont have really hard rotations anymore.

Bladerunner1

DeHei wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

It's pretty awesome seeing a Stamblade hit those numbers, they were dead last as far as DPS goes less than a year ago. They have the most given self buffs that any group should be providing anyway, and the rotation is very complicated, like running up to a boss and lining up the faces of a rubix cube to get that much damage. Almost half the damage from a Stamblade comes from direct damage attacks, the moment a boss mechanic takes place the DPS drops off to non-existence as they chase down the boss again.

Every rotation is easy learnable since we have the DPS dummies snd can train them 24/7.. So we dont have really hard rotations anymore.

Yet the more complex rotations can be upended entirely as soon as a boss mechanic takes place.

DeHei

Izaki wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

@DeHei

With War Machine I sit at 46k on the 6mil dummy. Without War Machine as you can see in the OP I'm at 45k.

And in raids, Stamblade is on the lower spectrum of DPS.

So this post doesn't show anything of what you said, but the fact that I finally managed to hit 50k solo burst DPS on a fight that lasts shorter than 60 seconds. Does every class have the same amount of burst? No. Stam DKs don't have the same kind of burst, but they have much more sustainable DPS, which is why literally every single good raid group runs 3 or 4 of them (without any Stamblades). I could easily hit 49k on Stam Sorc and Stam Templar too when I have the exact same buffs, aka a healer and a tank applying Minor Berserk and Major Fracture for me. Except Sorc also does a metric *** ton of AoE damage and Stamplar gives Minor Breach and Fracture to the whole group while also dealing some pretty huge AoE DPS. My Stamblade? Lowest AoE DPS in the game. It doesn't have anything other than burst. The sustained DPS is lower than DK or Sorc and you have to give about 500% of concentration and work for each raid just to be allowed to come on a Stamblade. I fought hard to be able to bring my Stamblade into raids, and even then, I often end up playing Stamplar.

Now, lets see how high a Stamplar can theoretically hit, shall we?



So 41k DPS without Fracture or Berserk. 44% uptime on Major Slayer, same as the Stamblade. Major Fracture gives a DPS increase of about 11%. Minor Berserk gives a DPS increase of roughly 6-7% due to the additive nature of CP stars (yes this is still a problem, it was only fixed with execute scaling). So in total we can expect 41144 x 1.175% = 48344 DPS. This is theoretical, the actual DPS would be higher since you would have more overall burst in execute and at the start of the fight. So its a 2k DPS difference. Considering that one class is single target only and the other has some pretty good cleave damage.

Now lets see how high a Stam Sorc can theoretically hit, shall we?



So 40.5k DPS without Fracture, Berserk or Major Slayer. Keep in mind that I also used Steel Tornado in this parse, so the AoE damage is through the roof. We'll take the same values as we did for Stamplar for Fracture and Berserk. So 44% uptime of Major Slayer would result in roughly 6% extra DPS. So 40468 x 1.235 = 49778 DPS. Yeah. Only 600 DPS behind the Stamblade. With Steel Tornado as a spammable. Not only that, but since Steel Tornado is an execute and is multiplicative with Major Slayer and Minor Berserk, it would be hitting MUCH harder, which would definitely cause Sorc to surpass Stamblade.

Still think that Stamblade is OP? If you do, let's take a Stam DK on the 6mil dummy vs a Stamblade on the 6mil dummy. Here's the parse:



41365. The Stamblade robust parse is in the OP. No Major Slayer was used, since I used VO. Since DK has Fracture but only with a 70% uptime (vs Stamblade 95%), we gotta add about 10% in total to the DK DPS. That gives you 45502 DPS. And in raids, DKs will also benefit much more from Morag Tong, making the DPS higher still.

So yeah, don't come here saying Stamblades need nerfs, when the only thing they can do properly is burst 3mil dummies and do 600k scores in vMA (which is all about burst). The only reason for having a Stamblade in a raid is having a second War Machine.

Magicka DPS might be lower on dummies, but look at actual raid parses and you will see that there's much less of a gap between Stam and Mag. Having access to a ton of self buff is nice, but its no use aside from solo content or PvP. In group PvE, everyone gets the same buffs and everyone will hit harder than you if you're a Stamblade.

Dont understand me wrong. You do a good job with your rotations and your DPS results. I go trails with a group with one of the last magicka templar DDs. There i see similar results, when we try our DPS on dummie to see what we could reach full buffed. Magicka DPS is far behind Stamina DPS in trials too. Only with much much movement i can reach one of our Stamina DDs in DPS.. The only reason why i am in this trialgroups are my healingsupport, experience and my faster rezz...
The difference between magicka and stamina is massive... in DPS..
So i hope they would give every class a singletargetultimate for example like nightblades or other staff to balance it more. Maybe give magicka classes some buffs to buff each other like stamina DDs actually do!
It just is my frustration about it and i cant really understand why its so difficult for ZOS to work in a right way on it!

DeHei

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

It's pretty awesome seeing a Stamblade hit those numbers, they were dead last as far as DPS goes less than a year ago. They have the most given self buffs that any group should be providing anyway, and the rotation is very complicated, like running up to a boss and lining up the faces of a rubix cube to get that much damage. Almost half the damage from a Stamblade comes from direct damage attacks, the moment a boss mechanic takes place the DPS drops off to non-existence as they chase down the boss again.

Every rotation is easy learnable since we have the DPS dummies snd can train them 24/7.. So we dont have really hard rotations anymore.

Yet the more complex rotations can be upended entirely as soon as a boss mechanic takes place.

I mean, after doing a rotation the 10000time, you dont really to think about it. Your hands doing it nearly without you and just with your memory, while you can concentrate to boss mechanics
Dont say me its wrong. After learning and doing a rotation a very long time its like an automatism.

DeHei

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

It's pretty awesome seeing a Stamblade hit those numbers, they were dead last as far as DPS goes less than a year ago. They have the most given self buffs that any group should be providing anyway, and the rotation is very complicated, like running up to a boss and lining up the faces of a rubix cube to get that much damage. Almost half the damage from a Stamblade comes from direct damage attacks, the moment a boss mechanic takes place the DPS drops off to non-existence as they chase down the boss again.

Every rotation is easy learnable since we have the DPS dummies snd can train them 24/7.. So we dont have really hard rotations anymore.

Yet the more complex rotations can be upended entirely as soon as a boss mechanic takes place.

I mean, after doing a rotation the 10000time, you dont really to think about it. Your hands doing it nearly without you and just with your memory, while you can concentrate to boss mechanics
Dont say me its wrong. After learning and doing a rotation a very long time its like an automatism.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Buff after buff? Are we playing the same game lol? Are you new? Because NB was bottom of the barrel since forever. It’s nice NB can actually do something now.

Not to mention this is a self buffed parse on a 3 mil dummy isn’t a good snapshot. Give other classes like a sorc or DK those buffs (since they will have them in a raid) and put them on a robust or higher dummy they will hit better DPS or be on par. You’re way off base here.

Izaki

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Buff after buff? Are we playing the same game lol? Are you new? Because NB was bottom of the barrel since forever. It’s nice NB can actually do something now.

Not to mention this is a self buffed parse on a 3 mil dummy isn’t a good snapshot. Give other classes like a sorc or DK those buffs (since they will have them in a raid) and put them on a robust or higher dummy they will hit better DPS or be on par. You’re way off base here.

He seems to be ignoring my comment which detailed how wrong he was.

DeHei

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Buff after buff? Are we playing the same game lol? Are you new? Because NB was bottom of the barrel since forever. It’s nice NB can actually do something now.

Not to mention this is a self buffed parse on a 3 mil dummy isn’t a good snapshot. Give other classes like a sorc or DK those buffs (since they will have them in a raid) and put them on a robust or higher dummy they will hit better DPS or be on par. You’re way off base here.

Yeah nightblade was buffed since around 1 year like hell. True give other classes this buffs, they could maybe touch same DPS, BUT they dont have this buffs. In PvE they are very strong in doing damage and especially in PvP the strongest player i know are nightblades only!
When you read the last really buff for DKs or Templar in same way on patch notes?
For templar i remeber it was update 1.6., but after directly 2 weeks they got nerfed again...

Izaki

DeHei wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Buff after buff? Are we playing the same game lol? Are you new? Because NB was bottom of the barrel since forever. It’s nice NB can actually do something now.

Not to mention this is a self buffed parse on a 3 mil dummy isn’t a good snapshot. Give other classes like a sorc or DK those buffs (since they will have them in a raid) and put them on a robust or higher dummy they will hit better DPS or be on par. You’re way off base here.

Yeah nightblade was buffed since around 1 year like hell. True give other classes this buffs, they could maybe touch same DPS, BUT they dont have this buffs. In PvE they are very strong in doing damage and especially in PvP the strongest player i know are nightblades only!
When you read the last really buff for DKs or Templar in same way on patch notes?
For templar i remeber it was update 1.6., but after directly 2 weeks they got nerfed again...

Just read the *** post I tagged you in earlier in this thread, its got everything that you need to know about Stamblades and other classes in PvE.

The only buff nightblades got was Relentless Focus and Merciless Resolve by the way, nothing else changed. In fact, just this patch, Mass Hysteria was nerfed.

DeHei

Izaki wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Buff after buff? Are we playing the same game lol? Are you new? Because NB was bottom of the barrel since forever. It’s nice NB can actually do something now.

Not to mention this is a self buffed parse on a 3 mil dummy isn’t a good snapshot. Give other classes like a sorc or DK those buffs (since they will have them in a raid) and put them on a robust or higher dummy they will hit better DPS or be on par. You’re way off base here.

Yeah nightblade was buffed since around 1 year like hell. True give other classes this buffs, they could maybe touch same DPS, BUT they dont have this buffs. In PvE they are very strong in doing damage and especially in PvP the strongest player i know are nightblades only!
When you read the last really buff for DKs or Templar in same way on patch notes?
For templar i remeber it was update 1.6., but after directly 2 weeks they got nerfed again...

Just read the *** post I tagged you in earlier in this thread, its got everything that you need to know about Stamblades and other classes in PvE.

The only buff nightblades got was Relentless Focus and Merciless Resolve by the way, nothing else changed. In fact, just this patch, Mass Hysteria was nerfed.

The OP said with next update. There is a buff for nightblades... this doent matter for you or you just ignore that fact?!

I dont want to troll.. Teso was never balanced well, but atm the difference is growing bigger and bigger..

Izaki

DeHei wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Buff after buff? Are we playing the same game lol? Are you new? Because NB was bottom of the barrel since forever. It’s nice NB can actually do something now.

Not to mention this is a self buffed parse on a 3 mil dummy isn’t a good snapshot. Give other classes like a sorc or DK those buffs (since they will have them in a raid) and put them on a robust or higher dummy they will hit better DPS or be on par. You’re way off base here.

Yeah nightblade was buffed since around 1 year like hell. True give other classes this buffs, they could maybe touch same DPS, BUT they dont have this buffs. In PvE they are very strong in doing damage and especially in PvP the strongest player i know are nightblades only!
When you read the last really buff for DKs or Templar in same way on patch notes?
For templar i remeber it was update 1.6., but after directly 2 weeks they got nerfed again...

Just read the *** post I tagged you in earlier in this thread, its got everything that you need to know about Stamblades and other classes in PvE.

The only buff nightblades got was Relentless Focus and Merciless Resolve by the way, nothing else changed. In fact, just this patch, Mass Hysteria was nerfed.

The OP said with next update. There is a buff for nightblades... this doent matter for you or you just ignore that fact?!

I dont want to troll.. Teso was never balanced well, but atm the difference is growing bigger and bigger..

What will happen with next update? At the moment, on the live server, Stamblades can already hit 49.5k+ with War Machine and about 48.5k without (those are my numbers anyway and I don't have perfect traits on WM). The buff next patch to Nightblades? Where is that buff to Nightblades you are talking about?

And read what I wrote, I didn't spent 10 minutes of my time demonstrating how Stamblades aren't OP for nothing. If you want I'll tag you there again.

Gilliamtherogue

Izaki wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Buff after buff? Are we playing the same game lol? Are you new? Because NB was bottom of the barrel since forever. It’s nice NB can actually do something now.

Not to mention this is a self buffed parse on a 3 mil dummy isn’t a good snapshot. Give other classes like a sorc or DK those buffs (since they will have them in a raid) and put them on a robust or higher dummy they will hit better DPS or be on par. You’re way off base here.

Yeah nightblade was buffed since around 1 year like hell. True give other classes this buffs, they could maybe touch same DPS, BUT they dont have this buffs. In PvE they are very strong in doing damage and especially in PvP the strongest player i know are nightblades only!
When you read the last really buff for DKs or Templar in same way on patch notes?
For templar i remeber it was update 1.6., but after directly 2 weeks they got nerfed again...

Just read the *** post I tagged you in earlier in this thread, its got everything that you need to know about Stamblades and other classes in PvE.

The only buff nightblades got was Relentless Focus and Merciless Resolve by the way, nothing else changed. In fact, just this patch, Mass Hysteria was nerfed.

The OP said with next update. There is a buff for nightblades... this doent matter for you or you just ignore that fact?!

I dont want to troll.. Teso was never balanced well, but atm the difference is growing bigger and bigger..

What will happen with next update? At the moment, on the live server, Stamblades can already hit 49.5k+ with War Machine and about 48.5k without (those are my numbers anyway and I don't have perfect traits on WM). The buff next patch to Nightblades? Where is that buff to Nightblades you are talking about?

And read what I wrote, I didn't spent 10 minutes of my time demonstrating how Stamblades aren't OP for nothing. If you want I'll tag you there again.

Sometimes I wonder why we don't treat stupidity like a disease. There's just no winning with people like that.

Izaki

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

Buff after buff? Are we playing the same game lol? Are you new? Because NB was bottom of the barrel since forever. It’s nice NB can actually do something now.

Not to mention this is a self buffed parse on a 3 mil dummy isn’t a good snapshot. Give other classes like a sorc or DK those buffs (since they will have them in a raid) and put them on a robust or higher dummy they will hit better DPS or be on par. You’re way off base here.

Yeah nightblade was buffed since around 1 year like hell. True give other classes this buffs, they could maybe touch same DPS, BUT they dont have this buffs. In PvE they are very strong in doing damage and especially in PvP the strongest player i know are nightblades only!
When you read the last really buff for DKs or Templar in same way on patch notes?
For templar i remeber it was update 1.6., but after directly 2 weeks they got nerfed again...

Just read the *** post I tagged you in earlier in this thread, its got everything that you need to know about Stamblades and other classes in PvE.

The only buff nightblades got was Relentless Focus and Merciless Resolve by the way, nothing else changed. In fact, just this patch, Mass Hysteria was nerfed.

The OP said with next update. There is a buff for nightblades... this doent matter for you or you just ignore that fact?!

I dont want to troll.. Teso was never balanced well, but atm the difference is growing bigger and bigger..

What will happen with next update? At the moment, on the live server, Stamblades can already hit 49.5k+ with War Machine and about 48.5k without (those are my numbers anyway and I don't have perfect traits on WM). The buff next patch to Nightblades? Where is that buff to Nightblades you are talking about?

And read what I wrote, I didn't spent 10 minutes of my time demonstrating how Stamblades aren't OP for nothing. If you want I'll tag you there again.

Sometimes I wonder why we don't treat stupidity like a disease. There's just no winning with people like that.

A vaccin would be nice. But then, how would our political and economic systems work?

JinMori

How about instead of nerfing again, we actually buff sustain?

I mean, who likes heavy attack spamming anyway, i for sure don't, and all people who i know don't, and it seems that the community in general doesn't like it.

And how about we separate pvp and pve?

Nah, zos stand of this is that they don't wanna separate the game into 2 aspects, but actually, i think the reason is that it's because it costs money to do a completely new system for pvp, and it seems that they just don't wanna spend the resources, and just prefer doing *** balancing at every patch.

Well, at this point it Morrowind has long passed, and it seems that zos just doesn't wanna revert some changes, so i guess, i will just continue to not play this mess, until we have some of out sustain back, then, i will give this game another chance, but im starting to lose hope.

Enjoy the decline zos....

Bladerunner1

DeHei wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Oh a result of ZOS balance.. some classes touch 50k and get buff after buff while other get useless *** and get nerfs for useful skills...
This really show ecatly that ZOS fails in balancing..

But gj, i am sure you can hold 45k DPS or more on the 6kk dummie.
Other classes need to play with 4 arms and 20fingers to hit 35k DPS there..isnt funny at all..

The difference between stamina and magicka DPS is too high again too. Damageoutput for magickaplayer is too low... they have too less buffs to reach that high numbers..

It's pretty awesome seeing a Stamblade hit those numbers, they were dead last as far as DPS goes less than a year ago. They have the most given self buffs that any group should be providing anyway, and the rotation is very complicated, like running up to a boss and lining up the faces of a rubix cube to get that much damage. Almost half the damage from a Stamblade comes from direct damage attacks, the moment a boss mechanic takes place the DPS drops off to non-existence as they chase down the boss again.

Every rotation is easy learnable since we have the DPS dummies snd can train them 24/7.. So we dont have really hard rotations anymore.

Yet the more complex rotations can be upended entirely as soon as a boss mechanic takes place.

I mean, after doing a rotation the 10000time, you dont really to think about it. Your hands doing it nearly without you and just with your memory, while you can concentrate to boss mechanics
Dont say me its wrong. After learning and doing a rotation a very long time its like an automatism.

Doing a rotation the 10000time on pure muscle memory doesn't bring back a lost 45K damage Assassin's Scourge proc, or lost 50k damage Killers blades.

You don't understand how the average DPS is calculated, let me explain.

Direct damage like Assassin's Scourge is a big component of Stamblade DPS. Stamblades only get two opportunities for Assassin's Scourge every twenty seconds. If you miss one or a couple light or heavy attacks because of a boss mechanic, you miss one of two procs of the 2nd biggest direct damage attack in a Stamblade arsenal, plain and simple. Even if you have perfect muscle memory it's not bringing back the missed 45,000 damage opportunity that now has to wait for another re-application of Relentless Focus. The average DPS drops significantly.

Some other classes have the opportunity to pick up where they left off, apply their high DPS DOTs that they missed during the boss mechanic and keep going. Activation of their big DOT skills isn't dependant on time and they have the ability to keep them active with higher frequency, which results in relatively higher DPS.

If the boss mechanic takes place below 25% health and/or the Stamblade has to stand >8ft away, their average DPS for the fight hits floor level. As soon as a Stamblade loses the opportunity to spam a few of the 50k Killers Blades, which is a huge skill that inflates DPS on a target dummy, no amount of muscle memory is lifting their average to what other classes can pull.

Stop drawing your conclusions from target skeleton parses.

aeowulf

It's much easier t hit a moving mob with a ranged attack, be it from a staff or bow than melee attack.

Staves should probably have a melee range skill with comparable damage, then the skeleton passes on those will be higher too...

poochie

I say let the skeleton do damage and aoe's-void zones etc so that way a real fight can happen to really see numbers instead of just standing there wailing on a dummy. Anybody can just stand there and not move. I could do it but I want to play my way and to not having to buy-make a bunch of gear and redo skills multiple times.

krachall

As a new stamblade, former snipe spammmer, who recently started really working on my trial dps, I want to thank the OP and all who replied. This info is pure gold for me.

Izaki

krachall wrote: »

As a new stamblade, former snipe spammmer, who recently started really working on my trial dps, I want to thank the OP and all who replied. This info is pure gold for me.

Great to hear that it was helpful.

Izaki

Okay so just going to put a clip into the OP of another DPS test with Vicious Ophidian

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/lI Izaki Il/video/39059684