Stamblade 52.6k DPS self buffed 3mil burst... It just got higher!

Izaki

FINALLY:

With War Machine:


Without War Machine (Vicious Ophidian instead):

(I'm way more proud of the second parse)

So yeah... I normally wouldn't post this because its totally irrelevant, the fight lasts less than a minute, I did only like 6 heavy attacks, I have access to Minor Berserk and Major Fracture while self buffed, War Machine is ridiculous, etc. But still pretty proud of getting over 50k with 250 ping on the PTS.

EDIT on Live Server: Vicious Ophidian is actually just as good as War Machine in terms of solo DPS (both average and peak numbers), but War Machine is obviously more beneficial in a group. Here's a clip where I hit 51.1k with VO so you can see what I'm doing. Note that I'm using double Daggers over an Axe because its what I use in raids. Axe is higher DPS in single target however, IF you get lucky and get many procs. I'm using Nirnhoned on the main hand and Infused on the off-hand
Anyway, here's the clip:
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/lI Izaki Il/video/39353820

Its totally pointless to test Stamblade on the 3mil dummies now, since they just have access to a very strong buff (Minor Berserk) and since they can keep up Major Fracture with about 90% uptime without even bothering. The fight is just way too short to give you any insight on what's happening. But its still fun smashing the poor skeleton, right? From this parse, one might say that Stamblades are absolutely OP compared to other classes, but remember, 3mil dummies don't represent DPS numbers in real raid situations at all. So don't ask for nerfs pls!

(In fact to reassure those who might be worried about the overperformance of NBs, I'm gonna link a 6mil dummy parse which is much less menacing and more in line with other classes: https://imgur.com/AFS0y0S )

Anyways, just wanted to share this achievement of mine

dpencil1

Live or PTS?

Izaki

dpencil1 wrote: »

Live or PTS?

PTS

Mureel

Izaki wrote: »

FINALLY:



So yeah... I normally wouldn't post this because its totally irrelevant, the fight lasts less than a minute, I did only like 6 heavy attacks, I have access to Minor Berserk and Major Fracture while self buffed, War Machine is ridiculous, etc. But still pretty proud of getting over 50k with 250 ping on the PTS.

It turns out however, that Vicious Ophidian isn't that far behind either:

Its totally pointless to test Stamblade on the 3mil dummies now, since they just have access to a very strong buff (Minor Berserk) and since they can keep up Major Fracture with about 90% uptime without even bothering. The fight is just way too short to give you any insight on what's happening. But its still fun smashing the poor skeleton, right? From this parse, one might say that Stamblades are absolutely OP compared to other classes, but remember, 3mil dummies don't represent DPS numbers in real raid situations at all. So don't ask for nerfs pls!

(In fact to reassure those who might be worried about the overperformance of NBs, I'm gonna link a 6mil dummy parse which is much less menacing and more in line with other classes: https://imgur.com/AFS0y0S )

Anyways, just wanted to share this achievement of mine

Nerf Pls. Or Seriously and BETTER: Buff the rest. Sorry but this is flatly ridiculous.

dpencil1

Nerf Sorcs!

FakeFox

Buff Radiant Opression to the level of Killers Blade and i'm happy.

Oakmontowls_ESO

FakeFox wrote: »

Buff Radiant Opression to the level of Killers Blade and i'm happy.

So nerf it?

Duxes

Mureel wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

FINALLY:



So yeah... I normally wouldn't post this because its totally irrelevant, the fight lasts less than a minute, I did only like 6 heavy attacks, I have access to Minor Berserk and Major Fracture while self buffed, War Machine is ridiculous, etc. But still pretty proud of getting over 50k with 250 ping on the PTS.

It turns out however, that Vicious Ophidian isn't that far behind either:

Its totally pointless to test Stamblade on the 3mil dummies now, since they just have access to a very strong buff (Minor Berserk) and since they can keep up Major Fracture with about 90% uptime without even bothering. The fight is just way too short to give you any insight on what's happening. But its still fun smashing the poor skeleton, right? From this parse, one might say that Stamblades are absolutely OP compared to other classes, but remember, 3mil dummies don't represent DPS numbers in real raid situations at all. So don't ask for nerfs pls!

(In fact to reassure those who might be worried about the overperformance of NBs, I'm gonna link a 6mil dummy parse which is much less menacing and more in line with other classes: https://imgur.com/AFS0y0S )

Anyways, just wanted to share this achievement of mine

Nerf Pls. Or Seriously and BETTER: Buff the rest. Sorry but this is flatly ridiculous.

Not ridiculous. Not everyone can hit these numbers. Izaki is extremely good with his rotation and knowledge of the class. Also as he stated the parse is highly inflated due to self applied major fracture and minor berserk.

Btw nice job Izaki! Jeckll would be proud

Gilliamtherogue

Hopefully anyone would look at how lucky your crit values were compared to your actual crit rating and realize there's no nerfing to be done. A big reason why I've always spoken against 3mil dummies, even if they are fun. My own personal the first time I put on 5 War Machine on PTS done with Rank 1 Incap and Smiting Dawnbreaker instead of Flawless;

Izaki

Mureel wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

FINALLY:



So yeah... I normally wouldn't post this because its totally irrelevant, the fight lasts less than a minute, I did only like 6 heavy attacks, I have access to Minor Berserk and Major Fracture while self buffed, War Machine is ridiculous, etc. But still pretty proud of getting over 50k with 250 ping on the PTS.

It turns out however, that Vicious Ophidian isn't that far behind either:

Its totally pointless to test Stamblade on the 3mil dummies now, since they just have access to a very strong buff (Minor Berserk) and since they can keep up Major Fracture with about 90% uptime without even bothering. The fight is just way too short to give you any insight on what's happening. But its still fun smashing the poor skeleton, right? From this parse, one might say that Stamblades are absolutely OP compared to other classes, but remember, 3mil dummies don't represent DPS numbers in real raid situations at all. So don't ask for nerfs pls!

(In fact to reassure those who might be worried about the overperformance of NBs, I'm gonna link a 6mil dummy parse which is much less menacing and more in line with other classes: https://imgur.com/AFS0y0S )

Anyways, just wanted to share this achievement of mine

Nerf Pls. Or Seriously and BETTER: Buff the rest. Sorry but this is flatly ridiculous.

Well since we're talking about this now: on my stamplar I pull 41.2k DPS without Major Fracture (11% damage increase) or Minor Berserk (8% damage done). So in total that would bring the Stamplar to 49390 (theoretically speaking). The Stamplar has exactly the same gear by the way. And it has way more AoE and it has Power of the Light. So yeah, not much nerfing to be done. On my Stam Sorc, without War Machine and with Steel Tornado as the spammable, I pull 40.5k DPS (no Fracture, no Berserk), 8% damage done and 11% from Fracture, it would hit about 48.5k with insanely high AoE damage since basically everything except Trap, Slashes, Injection and Ballista does AoE damage. And that's without 44% uptime on War Machine too. So yeah; no nerfing to be done If anything, buffs are kind of needed, since all other classes can sustain that kind of damage on a 10 minute fight since those rotations are much simpler to pull off without mistakes. Most Nightblades in Raids are only there to spam Soul Harvest to provide high uptimes on War Machine, only a select few actually pull their weight in longer fights and are comparable to the other classes.

Izaki

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Hopefully anyone would look at how lucky your crit values were compared to your actual crit rating and realize there's no nerfing to be done. A big reason why I've always spoken against 3mil dummies, even if they are fun. My own personal the first time I put on 5 War Machine on PTS done with Rank 1 Incap and Smiting Dawnbreaker instead of Flawless;

Yep, it all comes down to lucky crits! Although, my Surprise Attack, Poison enchant and Ravage Health were only around 45% and Trap was at 39%

Great job on that one man, I really didn't think that it would be possible to reach Redguard numbers on a Khajiit, you're making me regret my race change right now! And you did that with Dubious food!?!? And looks like you're keeping up Rending Slashes in execute phase, is that worth it? I never took the time to test whether its better or not, I just kind of assumed that since Killer's Blade tooltip is high that it wasn't...

I'm actually using Soul Harvest since that's what I use on Live, I really like the synergy with War Machine in fights with adds.

PS: That Twin Blade and Blunt DPS and that Poison enchant crit rate :O

Izaki

Duxes wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

FINALLY:



So yeah... I normally wouldn't post this because its totally irrelevant, the fight lasts less than a minute, I did only like 6 heavy attacks, I have access to Minor Berserk and Major Fracture while self buffed, War Machine is ridiculous, etc. But still pretty proud of getting over 50k with 250 ping on the PTS.

It turns out however, that Vicious Ophidian isn't that far behind either:

Its totally pointless to test Stamblade on the 3mil dummies now, since they just have access to a very strong buff (Minor Berserk) and since they can keep up Major Fracture with about 90% uptime without even bothering. The fight is just way too short to give you any insight on what's happening. But its still fun smashing the poor skeleton, right? From this parse, one might say that Stamblades are absolutely OP compared to other classes, but remember, 3mil dummies don't represent DPS numbers in real raid situations at all. So don't ask for nerfs pls!

(In fact to reassure those who might be worried about the overperformance of NBs, I'm gonna link a 6mil dummy parse which is much less menacing and more in line with other classes: https://imgur.com/AFS0y0S )

Anyways, just wanted to share this achievement of mine

Nerf Pls. Or Seriously and BETTER: Buff the rest. Sorry but this is flatly ridiculous.

Not ridiculous. Not everyone can hit these numbers. Izaki is extremely good with his rotation and knowledge of the class. Also as he stated the parse is highly inflated due to self applied major fracture and minor berserk.

Btw nice job Izaki! Jeckll would be proud

Thaaaank you and I'd hope so! Theorycrafting with him during the Morrowind PTS really made me a better player #NoLongerAConsolePleb

Izaki

FakeFox wrote: »

Buff Radiant Opression to the level of Killers Blade and i'm happy.

The 56k Killer's Blade is with the 20% Soul Harvest buff, 15% Major Slayer buff and 8% Minor Berserk though, keep that in mind

Gilliamtherogue

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Hopefully anyone would look at how lucky your crit values were compared to your actual crit rating and realize there's no nerfing to be done. A big reason why I've always spoken against 3mil dummies, even if they are fun. My own personal the first time I put on 5 War Machine on PTS done with Rank 1 Incap and Smiting Dawnbreaker instead of Flawless;

Yep, it all comes down to lucky crits! Although, my Surprise Attack, Poison enchant and Ravage Health were only around 45%

Great job on that one man, I really didn't think that it would be possible to reach Redguard numbers on a Khajiit, you're making me regret my race change right now! And you did that with Dubious food!?!? And looks like you're keeping up Rending Slashes in execute phase, is that worth it? I never took the time to test whether its better or not, I just kind of assumed that since Killer's Blade tooltip is high that it wasn't...

I'm actually using Soul Harvest since that's what I use on Live, I really like the synergy with War Machine in fights with adds.

PS: That Twin Blade and Blunt DPS and that Poison enchant crit rate :O

- The only thing not worth keeping up through execute in terms of DPS is Blade Cloak, but obviously in a real fight you want to do that otherwise you'll soon find yourself dead. A big reason why Rending is worth keeping up is because both the x2 Initial hit and the DoT ticks get the execute amp, so you get immense burst and a hefty bleed out of it.

- Dubious Food is the only way I can stomach playing the game anymore, I absolutely hate heavy attacking with a passion now.

- Also yeah, Soul Harvest is WAY better in terms of a real fight. I just wanted to demonstrate to people how inflated 3 mils were compared to 25.8 and 6mils. I could probably hit 51k if I leveled up Incap and used Flawless instead, and farmed out good crits.

Izaki

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Hopefully anyone would look at how lucky your crit values were compared to your actual crit rating and realize there's no nerfing to be done. A big reason why I've always spoken against 3mil dummies, even if they are fun. My own personal the first time I put on 5 War Machine on PTS done with Rank 1 Incap and Smiting Dawnbreaker instead of Flawless;

Yep, it all comes down to lucky crits! Although, my Surprise Attack, Poison enchant and Ravage Health were only around 45%

Great job on that one man, I really didn't think that it would be possible to reach Redguard numbers on a Khajiit, you're making me regret my race change right now! And you did that with Dubious food!?!? And looks like you're keeping up Rending Slashes in execute phase, is that worth it? I never took the time to test whether its better or not, I just kind of assumed that since Killer's Blade tooltip is high that it wasn't...

I'm actually using Soul Harvest since that's what I use on Live, I really like the synergy with War Machine in fights with adds.

PS: That Twin Blade and Blunt DPS and that Poison enchant crit rate :O

- The only thing not worth keeping up through execute in terms of DPS is Blade Cloak, but obviously in a real fight you want to do that otherwise you'll soon find yourself dead. A big reason why Rending is worth keeping up is because both the x2 Initial hit and the DoT ticks get the execute amp, so you get immense burst and a hefty bleed out of it.

- Dubious Food is the only way I can stomach playing the game anymore, I absolutely hate heavy attacking with a passion now.

- Also yeah, Soul Harvest is WAY better in terms of a real fight. I just wanted to demonstrate to people how inflated 3 mils were compared to 25.8 and 6mils. I could probably hit 51k if I leveled up Incap and used Flawless instead, and farmed out good crits.

Alright, great to know that! At the moment, in execute phases in raids I literally just spam the crap out of Killer's Blade and refresh Deadly Cloak, I don't even bother with the Bow procs unless I'm tight on stamina since they do less damage. Thanks for the help, will follow your advice

Well, I mean with Leeching on a Redguard, in raids I only have to heavy attack 3 times every other rotation, so its not too bad, but yeah on a Khajiit Dubious is the only way to get the same level of sustain... But really, props to you for bursting like that with Dubious and on a Khajiit. (How come the change of opinion on HAs, you didn't mind it too much in your videos in back Morrowind, right? Or am I remembering wrong?)

Hey, you crits were much better off than mine to be fair! But yes, 3mil dummies on a Stamblade are just worthless parses that look cool and are fun to do. As soon as you take it to the 6mil ones though, you start getting much more "normal" values, and in raids, well DKs and Sorcs pull higher than you do since you're buffing them with War Machine on top of their already huge sustained DPS...

BigBadVolk

Nerf my existence!!

Gilliamtherogue

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Hopefully anyone would look at how lucky your crit values were compared to your actual crit rating and realize there's no nerfing to be done. A big reason why I've always spoken against 3mil dummies, even if they are fun. My own personal the first time I put on 5 War Machine on PTS done with Rank 1 Incap and Smiting Dawnbreaker instead of Flawless;

Yep, it all comes down to lucky crits! Although, my Surprise Attack, Poison enchant and Ravage Health were only around 45%

Great job on that one man, I really didn't think that it would be possible to reach Redguard numbers on a Khajiit, you're making me regret my race change right now! And you did that with Dubious food!?!? And looks like you're keeping up Rending Slashes in execute phase, is that worth it? I never took the time to test whether its better or not, I just kind of assumed that since Killer's Blade tooltip is high that it wasn't...

I'm actually using Soul Harvest since that's what I use on Live, I really like the synergy with War Machine in fights with adds.

PS: That Twin Blade and Blunt DPS and that Poison enchant crit rate :O

- The only thing not worth keeping up through execute in terms of DPS is Blade Cloak, but obviously in a real fight you want to do that otherwise you'll soon find yourself dead. A big reason why Rending is worth keeping up is because both the x2 Initial hit and the DoT ticks get the execute amp, so you get immense burst and a hefty bleed out of it.

- Dubious Food is the only way I can stomach playing the game anymore, I absolutely hate heavy attacking with a passion now.

- Also yeah, Soul Harvest is WAY better in terms of a real fight. I just wanted to demonstrate to people how inflated 3 mils were compared to 25.8 and 6mils. I could probably hit 51k if I leveled up Incap and used Flawless instead, and farmed out good crits.

Alright, great to know that! At the moment, in execute phases in raids I literally just spam the crap out of Killer's Blade and refresh Deadly Cloak, I don't even bother with the Bow procs unless I'm tight on stamina since they do less damage. Thanks for the help, will follow your advice

Well, I mean with Leeching on a Redguard, in raids I only have to heavy attack 3 times every other rotation, so its not too bad, but yeah on a Khajiit Dubious is the only way to get the same level of sustain... But really, props to you for bursting like that with Dubious and on a Khajiit. (How come the change of opinion on HAs, you didn't mind it too much in your videos in back Morrowind, right? Or am I remembering wrong?)

Hey, you crits were much better off than mine to be fair! But yes, 3mil dummies on a Stamblade are just worthless parses that look cool and are fun to do. As soon as you take it to the 6mil ones though, you start getting much more "normal" values, and in raids, well DKs and Sorcs pull higher than you do since you're buffing them with War Machine on top of their already huge sustained DPS...

- Should have mentioned, all DoTs are worth keeping up. Firing the Spectral bow does less damage than 1 Killer's Blade, however it is a free cost, so is easier for sustain. I usually continue firing the Spectral Bow out of habit, but technically it is a DPS loss if you have a source of Minor Berserk constantly applying.

- I've always detested Heavy Attacking becoming a forced gameplay element. I never minded heavy attacking and instead enjoyed them pre Morrowind because they felt like a tool to utilize in moments of reprieve or movement to get some damage and Stamina. Now instead of being a cool tool that a smart player could utilize to their advantage, it's a forced gameplay element that dumbs down combat speed and overall skill impact.

- My only crit rating noticeably higher than my actual rating was my Poisoned enchant. Crit variability is expected to be +/- 3% from your listed value in anything under a 1000 attacks, and most of mine crit ratings follow that. In the full breakdown, the majority of things you can't see are sub 50%. It was a pretty unlucky parse, especially with the most inflating variable; Killer's Blade.

- Yeah, many people ignore that. Nightblades have always looked to be in a much better spot on target dummies because they have the most Major/Minor buffs available to them in the game. However that is an extremely big issue when it gets to competitive group content, as they become redundant as you mention. Almost all Stamina classes other than Warden and Templar will beat us in a real combat scenario. And while Templars pull less self DPS, they enable far more raid DPS than even a Stam DK due to PotL and ulti spam + War Machine.

Izaki

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Hopefully anyone would look at how lucky your crit values were compared to your actual crit rating and realize there's no nerfing to be done. A big reason why I've always spoken against 3mil dummies, even if they are fun. My own personal the first time I put on 5 War Machine on PTS done with Rank 1 Incap and Smiting Dawnbreaker instead of Flawless;

Yep, it all comes down to lucky crits! Although, my Surprise Attack, Poison enchant and Ravage Health were only around 45%

Great job on that one man, I really didn't think that it would be possible to reach Redguard numbers on a Khajiit, you're making me regret my race change right now! And you did that with Dubious food!?!? And looks like you're keeping up Rending Slashes in execute phase, is that worth it? I never took the time to test whether its better or not, I just kind of assumed that since Killer's Blade tooltip is high that it wasn't...

I'm actually using Soul Harvest since that's what I use on Live, I really like the synergy with War Machine in fights with adds.

PS: That Twin Blade and Blunt DPS and that Poison enchant crit rate :O

- The only thing not worth keeping up through execute in terms of DPS is Blade Cloak, but obviously in a real fight you want to do that otherwise you'll soon find yourself dead. A big reason why Rending is worth keeping up is because both the x2 Initial hit and the DoT ticks get the execute amp, so you get immense burst and a hefty bleed out of it.

- Dubious Food is the only way I can stomach playing the game anymore, I absolutely hate heavy attacking with a passion now.

- Also yeah, Soul Harvest is WAY better in terms of a real fight. I just wanted to demonstrate to people how inflated 3 mils were compared to 25.8 and 6mils. I could probably hit 51k if I leveled up Incap and used Flawless instead, and farmed out good crits.

Alright, great to know that! At the moment, in execute phases in raids I literally just spam the crap out of Killer's Blade and refresh Deadly Cloak, I don't even bother with the Bow procs unless I'm tight on stamina since they do less damage. Thanks for the help, will follow your advice

Well, I mean with Leeching on a Redguard, in raids I only have to heavy attack 3 times every other rotation, so its not too bad, but yeah on a Khajiit Dubious is the only way to get the same level of sustain... But really, props to you for bursting like that with Dubious and on a Khajiit. (How come the change of opinion on HAs, you didn't mind it too much in your videos in back Morrowind, right? Or am I remembering wrong?)

Hey, you crits were much better off than mine to be fair! But yes, 3mil dummies on a Stamblade are just worthless parses that look cool and are fun to do. As soon as you take it to the 6mil ones though, you start getting much more "normal" values, and in raids, well DKs and Sorcs pull higher than you do since you're buffing them with War Machine on top of their already huge sustained DPS...

- Should have mentioned, all DoTs are worth keeping up. Firing the Spectral bow does less damage than 1 Killer's Blade, however it is a free cost, so is easier for sustain. I usually continue firing the Spectral Bow out of habit, but technically it is a DPS loss if you have a source of Minor Berserk constantly applying.

- I've always detested Heavy Attacking becoming a forced gameplay element. I never minded heavy attacking and instead enjoyed them pre Morrowind because they felt like a tool to utilize in moments of reprieve or movement to get some damage and Stamina. Now instead of being a cool tool that a smart player could utilize to their advantage, it's a forced gameplay element that dumbs down combat speed and overall skill impact.

- My only crit rating noticeably higher than my actual rating was my Poisoned enchant. Crit variability is expected to be +/- 3% from your listed value in anything under a 1000 attacks, and most of mine crit ratings follow that. In the full breakdown, the majority of things you can't see are sub 50%. It was a pretty unlucky parse, especially with the most inflating variable; Killer's Blade.

- Yeah, many people ignore that. Nightblades have always looked to be in a much better spot on target dummies because they have the most Major/Minor buffs available to them in the game. However that is an extremely big issue when it gets to competitive group content, as they become redundant as you mention. Almost all Stamina classes other than Warden and Templar will beat us in a real combat scenario. And while Templars pull less self DPS, they enable far more raid DPS than even a Stam DK due to PotL and ulti spam + War Machine.

Oh yeah, of course, I always reapply all the back bar DoTs, I was only talking about the front bar part of the rotation. That's literally the only reason why I keep using the bow proc in the execute phase at times: to ease the sustain and allow a recovery and a Leeching tick to happen without consuming any stamina. Doesn't it feel great to be able to swap cancel the crap out of that skill now by the way?! So smooth... That was a really great change they did there.

I kind of agree on the heavy attacking. A good example are DKs: I really enjoyed playing a Heavy Attack build back in 1T and Homestead with Molten Armaments and all, but now, I just can't stand that gameplay. Luckily, Nightblades get Leeching Strikes, which gives roughly the stamina return of 2 HAs cutting down the number of "compulsory" heavy attacks to 3-4 down from 5-6 on the other classes. What I do like about Morrowind is the fact that ressource management is really a part of the game now and it forces you into making decisions, etc. I would definitely say that they overdid it though.

So that would mean that my Hail, Killer's Blade, Light Attacks, Assassin's Scourge, Rending Slashes, Twin Blade and Blunt were all much higher than the expected variability, while my Trap, Injection, Poison glyph, Ravage Health and Surprise Attack were much lower... -__- One of the weirdest parses I've done, its basically the 2 extremes. Only Deadly Cloak and Caltrops fall into the +/- 3%; at least on the part of the page that we see. I kind of feel like my parse was solely due to them Killer's Blades getting 100% crit chance. Either way, 50K mark is passed, so I'm not complaining!

What surprised me however, is that VO isn't that far behind in terms of solo DPS, which is something I didn't really expect. I'd understand if it were Hunding's, but VO doesn't offer much aside from some cost reduction on the already cheap front bar skills. Obviously WM enables DPS for the group, so its a better set in general, but its interesting to see that other sets perform just as well. A bit sad to be honest... I can think of 5 sets that pull comparable DPS now, 2 of which are craftable. There isn't really anything to strive for anymore in terms of gear, which is a bit of a shame. On the other hand, the different options are nice for newer players.

Yep. In fact, I see lots of groups not running a Stamblade at all, they just go with 4 DKs and a Templar. That just goes to show how our supposedly-OP-class-that-needs-nerfs-since-its-pulling-50k-on-the-3mil-dummy is really doing in real endgame content. Very sad...

Savos_Saren

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Buff Radiant Opression to the level of Killers Blade and i'm happy.

So nerf it?

Buff mDK's execute to exist.

Masel

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Hopefully anyone would look at how lucky your crit values were compared to your actual crit rating and realize there's no nerfing to be done. A big reason why I've always spoken against 3mil dummies, even if they are fun. My own personal the first time I put on 5 War Machine on PTS done with Rank 1 Incap and Smiting Dawnbreaker instead of Flawless;

Yep, it all comes down to lucky crits! Although, my Surprise Attack, Poison enchant and Ravage Health were only around 45%

Great job on that one man, I really didn't think that it would be possible to reach Redguard numbers on a Khajiit, you're making me regret my race change right now! And you did that with Dubious food!?!? And looks like you're keeping up Rending Slashes in execute phase, is that worth it? I never took the time to test whether its better or not, I just kind of assumed that since Killer's Blade tooltip is high that it wasn't...

I'm actually using Soul Harvest since that's what I use on Live, I really like the synergy with War Machine in fights with adds.

PS: That Twin Blade and Blunt DPS and that Poison enchant crit rate :O

- The only thing not worth keeping up through execute in terms of DPS is Blade Cloak, but obviously in a real fight you want to do that otherwise you'll soon find yourself dead. A big reason why Rending is worth keeping up is because both the x2 Initial hit and the DoT ticks get the execute amp, so you get immense burst and a hefty bleed out of it.

- Dubious Food is the only way I can stomach playing the game anymore, I absolutely hate heavy attacking with a passion now.

- Also yeah, Soul Harvest is WAY better in terms of a real fight. I just wanted to demonstrate to people how inflated 3 mils were compared to 25.8 and 6mils. I could probably hit 51k if I leveled up Incap and used Flawless instead, and farmed out good crits.

Alright, great to know that! At the moment, in execute phases in raids I literally just spam the crap out of Killer's Blade and refresh Deadly Cloak, I don't even bother with the Bow procs unless I'm tight on stamina since they do less damage. Thanks for the help, will follow your advice

Well, I mean with Leeching on a Redguard, in raids I only have to heavy attack 3 times every other rotation, so its not too bad, but yeah on a Khajiit Dubious is the only way to get the same level of sustain... But really, props to you for bursting like that with Dubious and on a Khajiit. (How come the change of opinion on HAs, you didn't mind it too much in your videos in back Morrowind, right? Or am I remembering wrong?)

Hey, you crits were much better off than mine to be fair! But yes, 3mil dummies on a Stamblade are just worthless parses that look cool and are fun to do. As soon as you take it to the 6mil ones though, you start getting much more "normal" values, and in raids, well DKs and Sorcs pull higher than you do since you're buffing them with War Machine on top of their already huge sustained DPS...

- Should have mentioned, all DoTs are worth keeping up. Firing the Spectral bow does less damage than 1 Killer's Blade, however it is a free cost, so is easier for sustain. I usually continue firing the Spectral Bow out of habit, but technically it is a DPS loss if you have a source of Minor Berserk constantly applying.

- I've always detested Heavy Attacking becoming a forced gameplay element. I never minded heavy attacking and instead enjoyed them pre Morrowind because they felt like a tool to utilize in moments of reprieve or movement to get some damage and Stamina. Now instead of being a cool tool that a smart player could utilize to their advantage, it's a forced gameplay element that dumbs down combat speed and overall skill impact.

- My only crit rating noticeably higher than my actual rating was my Poisoned enchant. Crit variability is expected to be +/- 3% from your listed value in anything under a 1000 attacks, and most of mine crit ratings follow that. In the full breakdown, the majority of things you can't see are sub 50%. It was a pretty unlucky parse, especially with the most inflating variable; Killer's Blade.

- Yeah, many people ignore that. Nightblades have always looked to be in a much better spot on target dummies because they have the most Major/Minor buffs available to them in the game. However that is an extremely big issue when it gets to competitive group content, as they become redundant as you mention. Almost all Stamina classes other than Warden and Templar will beat us in a real combat scenario. And while Templars pull less self DPS, they enable far more raid DPS than even a Stam DK due to PotL and ulti spam + War Machine.

Oh yeah, of course, I always reapply all the back bar DoTs, I was only talking about the front bar part of the rotation. That's literally the only reason why I keep using the bow proc in the execute phase at times: to ease the sustain and allow a recovery and a Leeching tick to happen without consuming any stamina. Doesn't it feel great to be able to swap cancel the crap out of that skill now by the way?! So smooth... That was a really great change they did there.

I kind of agree on the heavy attacking. A good example are DKs: I really enjoyed playing a Heavy Attack build back in 1T and Homestead with Molten Armaments and all, but now, I just can't stand that gameplay. Luckily, Nightblades get Leeching Strikes, which gives roughly the stamina return of 2 HAs cutting down the number of "compulsory" heavy attacks to 3-4 down from 5-6 on the other classes. What I do like about Morrowind is the fact that ressource management is really a part of the game now and it forces you into making decisions, etc. I would definitely say that they overdid it though.

So that would mean that my Hail, Killer's Blade, Light Attacks, Assassin's Scourge, Rending Slashes, Twin Blade and Blunt were all much higher than the expected variability, while my Trap, Injection, Poison glyph, Ravage Health and Surprise Attack were much lower... -__- One of the weirdest parses I've done, its basically the 2 extremes. Only Deadly Cloak and Caltrops fall into the +/- 3%; at least on the part of the page that we see. I kind of feel like my parse was solely due to them Killer's Blades getting 100% crit chance. Either way, 50K mark is passed, so I'm not complaining!

What surprised me however, is that VO isn't that far behind in terms of solo DPS, which is something I didn't really expect. I'd understand if it were Hunding's, but VO doesn't offer much aside from some cost reduction on the already cheap front bar skills. Obviously WM enables DPS for the group, so its a better set in general, but its interesting to see that other sets perform just as well. A bit sad to be honest... I can think of 5 sets that pull comparable DPS now, 2 of which are craftable. There isn't really anything to strive for anymore in terms of gear, which is a bit of a shame. On the other hand, the different options are nice for newer players.

Yep. In fact, I see lots of groups not running a Stamblade at all, they just go with 4 DKs and a Templar. That just goes to show how our supposedly-OP-class-that-needs-nerfs-since-its-pulling-50k-on-the-3mil-dummy is really doing in real endgame content. Very sad...

The problem with group compositions is that everyone goes for the classes that deal the highest single target dps in the current state, which is stam dk. The difference between stam sorc, stam dk and stam nb is not really high, so I'd always prefer having one of each in a raid, as they all contribute different things to the group and I hate looking at the group window and seeing the same class symbol for half the raid.

Problem for a stamblade is only that magblades also give 3% weapon crit. If that were restricted to stamblades, you'd want one in a raid for that buff. They should make magblades give spell crit instead, but magsorcs already do that... Either way, I'd take a second war machine over another stam dk all day long...

Izaki

Masel92 wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Hopefully anyone would look at how lucky your crit values were compared to your actual crit rating and realize there's no nerfing to be done. A big reason why I've always spoken against 3mil dummies, even if they are fun. My own personal the first time I put on 5 War Machine on PTS done with Rank 1 Incap and Smiting Dawnbreaker instead of Flawless;

Yep, it all comes down to lucky crits! Although, my Surprise Attack, Poison enchant and Ravage Health were only around 45%

Great job on that one man, I really didn't think that it would be possible to reach Redguard numbers on a Khajiit, you're making me regret my race change right now! And you did that with Dubious food!?!? And looks like you're keeping up Rending Slashes in execute phase, is that worth it? I never took the time to test whether its better or not, I just kind of assumed that since Killer's Blade tooltip is high that it wasn't...

I'm actually using Soul Harvest since that's what I use on Live, I really like the synergy with War Machine in fights with adds.

PS: That Twin Blade and Blunt DPS and that Poison enchant crit rate :O

- The only thing not worth keeping up through execute in terms of DPS is Blade Cloak, but obviously in a real fight you want to do that otherwise you'll soon find yourself dead. A big reason why Rending is worth keeping up is because both the x2 Initial hit and the DoT ticks get the execute amp, so you get immense burst and a hefty bleed out of it.

- Dubious Food is the only way I can stomach playing the game anymore, I absolutely hate heavy attacking with a passion now.

- Also yeah, Soul Harvest is WAY better in terms of a real fight. I just wanted to demonstrate to people how inflated 3 mils were compared to 25.8 and 6mils. I could probably hit 51k if I leveled up Incap and used Flawless instead, and farmed out good crits.

Alright, great to know that! At the moment, in execute phases in raids I literally just spam the crap out of Killer's Blade and refresh Deadly Cloak, I don't even bother with the Bow procs unless I'm tight on stamina since they do less damage. Thanks for the help, will follow your advice

Well, I mean with Leeching on a Redguard, in raids I only have to heavy attack 3 times every other rotation, so its not too bad, but yeah on a Khajiit Dubious is the only way to get the same level of sustain... But really, props to you for bursting like that with Dubious and on a Khajiit. (How come the change of opinion on HAs, you didn't mind it too much in your videos in back Morrowind, right? Or am I remembering wrong?)

Hey, you crits were much better off than mine to be fair! But yes, 3mil dummies on a Stamblade are just worthless parses that look cool and are fun to do. As soon as you take it to the 6mil ones though, you start getting much more "normal" values, and in raids, well DKs and Sorcs pull higher than you do since you're buffing them with War Machine on top of their already huge sustained DPS...

- Should have mentioned, all DoTs are worth keeping up. Firing the Spectral bow does less damage than 1 Killer's Blade, however it is a free cost, so is easier for sustain. I usually continue firing the Spectral Bow out of habit, but technically it is a DPS loss if you have a source of Minor Berserk constantly applying.

- I've always detested Heavy Attacking becoming a forced gameplay element. I never minded heavy attacking and instead enjoyed them pre Morrowind because they felt like a tool to utilize in moments of reprieve or movement to get some damage and Stamina. Now instead of being a cool tool that a smart player could utilize to their advantage, it's a forced gameplay element that dumbs down combat speed and overall skill impact.

- My only crit rating noticeably higher than my actual rating was my Poisoned enchant. Crit variability is expected to be +/- 3% from your listed value in anything under a 1000 attacks, and most of mine crit ratings follow that. In the full breakdown, the majority of things you can't see are sub 50%. It was a pretty unlucky parse, especially with the most inflating variable; Killer's Blade.

- Yeah, many people ignore that. Nightblades have always looked to be in a much better spot on target dummies because they have the most Major/Minor buffs available to them in the game. However that is an extremely big issue when it gets to competitive group content, as they become redundant as you mention. Almost all Stamina classes other than Warden and Templar will beat us in a real combat scenario. And while Templars pull less self DPS, they enable far more raid DPS than even a Stam DK due to PotL and ulti spam + War Machine.

Oh yeah, of course, I always reapply all the back bar DoTs, I was only talking about the front bar part of the rotation. That's literally the only reason why I keep using the bow proc in the execute phase at times: to ease the sustain and allow a recovery and a Leeching tick to happen without consuming any stamina. Doesn't it feel great to be able to swap cancel the crap out of that skill now by the way?! So smooth... That was a really great change they did there.

I kind of agree on the heavy attacking. A good example are DKs: I really enjoyed playing a Heavy Attack build back in 1T and Homestead with Molten Armaments and all, but now, I just can't stand that gameplay. Luckily, Nightblades get Leeching Strikes, which gives roughly the stamina return of 2 HAs cutting down the number of "compulsory" heavy attacks to 3-4 down from 5-6 on the other classes. What I do like about Morrowind is the fact that ressource management is really a part of the game now and it forces you into making decisions, etc. I would definitely say that they overdid it though.

So that would mean that my Hail, Killer's Blade, Light Attacks, Assassin's Scourge, Rending Slashes, Twin Blade and Blunt were all much higher than the expected variability, while my Trap, Injection, Poison glyph, Ravage Health and Surprise Attack were much lower... -__- One of the weirdest parses I've done, its basically the 2 extremes. Only Deadly Cloak and Caltrops fall into the +/- 3%; at least on the part of the page that we see. I kind of feel like my parse was solely due to them Killer's Blades getting 100% crit chance. Either way, 50K mark is passed, so I'm not complaining!

What surprised me however, is that VO isn't that far behind in terms of solo DPS, which is something I didn't really expect. I'd understand if it were Hunding's, but VO doesn't offer much aside from some cost reduction on the already cheap front bar skills. Obviously WM enables DPS for the group, so its a better set in general, but its interesting to see that other sets perform just as well. A bit sad to be honest... I can think of 5 sets that pull comparable DPS now, 2 of which are craftable. There isn't really anything to strive for anymore in terms of gear, which is a bit of a shame. On the other hand, the different options are nice for newer players.

Yep. In fact, I see lots of groups not running a Stamblade at all, they just go with 4 DKs and a Templar. That just goes to show how our supposedly-OP-class-that-needs-nerfs-since-its-pulling-50k-on-the-3mil-dummy is really doing in real endgame content. Very sad...

The problem with group compositions is that everyone goes for the classes that deal the highest single target dps in the current state, which is stam dk. The difference between stam sorc, stam dk and stam nb is not really high, so I'd always prefer having one of each in a raid, as they all contribute different things to the group and I hate looking at the group window and seeing the same class symbol for half the raid.

Problem for a stamblade is only that magblades also give 3% weapon crit. If that were restricted to stamblades, you'd want one in a raid for that buff. They should make magblades give spell crit instead, but magsorcs already do that... Either way, I'd take a second war machine over another stam dk all day long...

Well currently the only thing that a Stamblade has and that a Stamplar doesn't is the ultimate regeneration with Soul Harvest. In some fights you can literally keep up War Machine 100% of time in certain periods, so that's definitely something. The damage in the execute phase is also pretty noticeable from Stamblades. But really, a class shouldn't be brought into a raid just because of War Machine. Like you said, you'd take a "War Machine" over another Stam DK

GrigorijMalahevich

Plebs moving to the city

Impressive, gj!

Izaki

Valera Progib wrote: »

Plebs moving to the city

Impressive, gj!

Console Pleb for life man, don't get fooled by the Combat Metrics, I'm still playing with a controller and still don't even have level 50 on PC

Thanks man!

GrigorijMalahevich

Izaki wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Plebs moving to the city

Impressive, gj!

Console Pleb for life man, don't get fooled by the Combat Metrics, I'm still playing with a controller and still don't even have level 50 on PC

Thanks man!

haha, I leveled to cp160 in 3 days and on 163cp went straight to PvP Though, when I was doing first VMA completion (seducer, willpower and magnus lol basically my PvP setup just swapped dual swords for inferno staff) on Xbox - that was not fun at all. On PC it was like a walk in the park

Izaki

Valera Progib wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Plebs moving to the city

Impressive, gj!

Console Pleb for life man, don't get fooled by the Combat Metrics, I'm still playing with a controller and still don't even have level 50 on PC

Thanks man!

haha, I leveled to cp160 in 3 days and on 163cp went straight to PvP Though, when I was doing first VMA completion (seducer, willpower and magnus lol basically my PvP setup just swapped dual swords for inferno staff) on Xbox - that was not fun at all. On PC it was like a walk in the park

Well I'm kinda playing on a Macbook Air...! So I'm waiting to get a proper PC before switching there. But I will probably start leveling once the double XP events kick in. Will take me ages to get used to a mouse and keyboard though lol

ad4mss

Izaki wrote: »

FINALLY:



So yeah... I normally wouldn't post this because its totally irrelevant, the fight lasts less than a minute, I did only like 6 heavy attacks, I have access to Minor Berserk and Major Fracture while self buffed, War Machine is ridiculous, etc. But still pretty proud of getting over 50k with 250 ping on the PTS.

It turns out however, that Vicious Ophidian isn't that far behind either:

Its totally pointless to test Stamblade on the 3mil dummies now, since they just have access to a very strong buff (Minor Berserk) and since they can keep up Major Fracture with about 90% uptime without even bothering. The fight is just way too short to give you any insight on what's happening. But its still fun smashing the poor skeleton, right? From this parse, one might say that Stamblades are absolutely OP compared to other classes, but remember, 3mil dummies don't represent DPS numbers in real raid situations at all. So don't ask for nerfs pls!

(In fact to reassure those who might be worried about the overperformance of NBs, I'm gonna link a 6mil dummy parse which is much less menacing and more in line with other classes: https://imgur.com/AFS0y0S )

Anyways, just wanted to share this achievement of mine

Would you mind to share how you put a CP?

Izaki

ad4mss wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

FINALLY:



So yeah... I normally wouldn't post this because its totally irrelevant, the fight lasts less than a minute, I did only like 6 heavy attacks, I have access to Minor Berserk and Major Fracture while self buffed, War Machine is ridiculous, etc. But still pretty proud of getting over 50k with 250 ping on the PTS.

It turns out however, that Vicious Ophidian isn't that far behind either:

Its totally pointless to test Stamblade on the 3mil dummies now, since they just have access to a very strong buff (Minor Berserk) and since they can keep up Major Fracture with about 90% uptime without even bothering. The fight is just way too short to give you any insight on what's happening. But its still fun smashing the poor skeleton, right? From this parse, one might say that Stamblades are absolutely OP compared to other classes, but remember, 3mil dummies don't represent DPS numbers in real raid situations at all. So don't ask for nerfs pls!

(In fact to reassure those who might be worried about the overperformance of NBs, I'm gonna link a 6mil dummy parse which is much less menacing and more in line with other classes: https://imgur.com/AFS0y0S )

Anyways, just wanted to share this achievement of mine

Would you mind to share how you put a CP?

Sure!
12 Piercing
56 Mighty
61 Precise Strikes
40 Master at Arms
61 Thaum

pkuronen

Sounds like mag sorcs are not uber anymore. This calls for nerf.

getemshauna

pkuronen wrote: »

Sounds like mag sorcs are not uber anymore. This calls for nerf.

It doesn't, lmao. Stamblades have great arsenal of selfbuffs, and they are really hard to master. That's the reward for it. In optimized trial group almost every stam dd can outdps them. Well done Izaki and Gilliam, I'd like to see different 50k parses from other stamblade mains here :-)

pkuronen

It was a joke. Have no clue about nerfs anyway. I just enjoy playing.

Izaki

gethemshauna wrote: »

pkuronen wrote: »

Sounds like mag sorcs are not uber anymore. This calls for nerf.

It doesn't, lmao. Stamblades have great arsenal of selfbuffs, and they are really hard to master. That's the reward for it. In optimized trial group almost every stam dd can outdps them. Well done Izaki and Gilliam, I'd like to see different 50k parses from other stamblade mains here :-)

Couldn't have done it without your help back on the Morrowind PTS! You really helped me progress in a big way and really quickly as well!