Between the two, which would you rather see gone from the game?

Megabear

I often see two beaten horses stuck in time loop, and it's a tragedy. If you could only select one between the two, which would you rather see gone from the game?

Tandor

In theory they're both equally game-breaking, in practice I don't suffer from either. I'll be interested to see how those who do suffer from them prioritise them tho.

Megabear

Performance issues

While bots are annoying and I'd love to see them gone, I suffer from performance issues greatly so I'm forced to choose that one.

Aurie

Performance issues

I also don't suffer from either, but out of the two performance issues are far more of a game-breaker.

PlagueSD

Bots

Bots...I have no control over them. Performance issues can be fixed with better hardware/lowering game visuals.

Vizier

Performance issues

Of course the immediate problem is performance issues, but...

...I'd rather see both gone from the game.

Enslaved

Performance issues

This is biased pool. Sure all would love to see performance issues gone.

Bombashaman

Bots

I don't have any performance issues, so...bots.

FakeFox

Performance issues

PlagueSD wrote: »

Bots...I have no control over them. Performance issues can be fixed with better hardware/lowering game visuals.

Nope they can't. Or at least you can't, maybe if ZOS would upgrade their hardware it would help.

Too many of the issues are sever- or enginesided. Even on top end systems it runs rather poorly.

PlagueSD

Bots

FakeFox wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Bots...I have no control over them. Performance issues can be fixed with better hardware/lowering game visuals.

Nope they can't. Or at least you can't, maybe if ZOS would upgrade there hardware it would help.

Well, since I don't experience any of these "performance issues" that everyone speaks of, I'd have to disagree.

I'm constant 50+ fps and below 120 ping when playing. The last time I experienced a disconnect from the game was when my cable modem decided to reboot.

WreckfulAbandon

Performance issues

Don't see too many bots in Cyrodiil, and if I did they would be free AP.

Korah_Eaglecry

Bots

Performance issues is quite a broad thing to tackle and would be great if the game ran smoothly and the way its intended. But performance issues is something every online game faces. Its not the worst it could be and often blamed for things that have nothing to do with performance issues.

Bots on the other hand are just down right embarrassing. It makes the game look cheap and the company too understaffed to tackle the issue.

Asardes

Performance issues

I don't live off farming mats so I don't care about bots.

Loralai_907

Performance issues

Obviously, performance is more important than bots. But, I would prefer that both were dealt with.

Shardan4968

Bots

Bots should be burned alive. Screw performance, I want botters to suffer.

mb10

Performance issues

Who on Earth cares about bots?

No idea why players get so emotional about them, thats ZOS' problem, not yours.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Performance issues

Bots don't directly affect my game play.

iiYuki

Performance issues

It's wonderful to see loads of players in cities fills the world with real players, but it would be nice to have several settings modes, one for small group content mainly PvE dungeons and solo and another for places loading lots of players, cities and PvP for example.
WoW has a "raid mode" that activates when entering a raid, that way you can drop draw distance and other fancy effects to boost FPS so you aren't running around at <30FPS in high pop zone or places with lots of effects.

menedhyn

Performance issues

I haven't been directly affected by bots. Though infrequent, I have suffered from some performance issues, namely high latency and a few disconnects, usually during busier periods*. Nothing too significant, just a bit frustrating.

*(if my not-very-scientific testing and recording is anything to go by)

sadownik

Tandor wrote: »

In theory they're both equally game-breaking, in practice I don't suffer from either. I'll be interested to see how those who do suffer from them prioritise them tho.

Oh really? You dont participate in ESO economy at all? Interesting...

srfrogg23

Bots

Bots can go.

I only get some frame rate dips in heavily populated areas. Different hardware can mitigate performance issues.

Bots on the other hand are cheating. It screws up the game economy by flooding the market and in general is a nuisance.

Runs

Bots

I can't believe people think they aren't affected by bots.

They affect everyone, whether or not you believe it. They have an impact on the in game economy, both in what they are selling in game and the gold they are selling. I know some people claim to love them because "cheap tempers" but those tards seem to over look all the gold inflation these bots are bringing to the game, driving the prices UP instead of down.

They have an impact on the perception of how cheaters are handled in this game, and as a result people tend not to give a *** and use any exploit they find because... Judging by actions not taken against bots and comments in threads like these it seems no one cares about cheaters in this game, neither ZOS nor players who believe there is no impact on them.

Megabear

Performance issues

Runs wrote: »

I can't believe people think they aren't affected by bots.

They affect everyone, whether or not you believe it. They have an impact on the in game economy, both in what they are selling in game and the gold they are selling. I know some people claim to love them because "cheap tempers" but those tards seem to over look all the gold inflation these bots are bringing to the game, driving the prices UP instead of down.

They have an impact on the perception of how cheaters are handled in this game, and as a result people tend not to give a *** and use any exploit they find because... Judging by actions not taken against bots and comments in threads like these it seems no one cares about cheaters in this game, neither ZOS nor players who believe there is no impact on them.

Wow, this is really insightful. Literally.

Jeremy

Performance issues

Megabear wrote: »

I often see two beaten horses stuck in time loop, and it's a tragedy. If you could only select one between the two, which would you rather see gone from the game?

Performance issues hands down.

Nothing ruins your gaming experience like awful lag does.

Bots are annoying, but won't entirely ruin the game for me like lag can.

Tandor

Runs wrote: »

I can't believe people think they aren't affected by bots.

They affect everyone, whether or not you believe it. They have an impact on the in game economy, both in what they are selling in game and the gold they are selling. I know some people claim to love them because "cheap tempers" but those tards seem to over look all the gold inflation these bots are bringing to the game, driving the prices UP instead of down.

They have an impact on the perception of how cheaters are handled in this game, and as a result people tend not to give a *** and use any exploit they find because... Judging by actions not taken against bots and comments in threads like these it seems no one cares about cheaters in this game, neither ZOS nor players who believe there is no impact on them.

In most MMOs I would agree with you so far as the impact of bots on the economy affecting everyone is concerned. However, given the restricted nature of the trading system in ESO many players take little or no part in it and are therefore unaffected by the economy and any impact on it that bots may have. For example, I've never sold a single item other than to a NPC merchant since the PC launch and in all that time have probably bought about 3 items from guild traders at a maximum price of a couple of hundred gold per item.

Competitive players in both PvE and PvP are obviously impacted by exploiters, but not all players by any means are playing competitively.

I would never claim that nobody is affected by bots or exploiters, but I would equally never accept the claim that everybody is affected by them. It's entirely down to playstyle as to whether you're affected or not. Many are, many are not.

Of course, I don't condone botters or exploiters, far from it. I am merely explaining why some people can legitimately say that they are not affected by them.

Jeremy

Performance issues

Tandor wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

I can't believe people think they aren't affected by bots.

They affect everyone, whether or not you believe it. They have an impact on the in game economy, both in what they are selling in game and the gold they are selling. I know some people claim to love them because "cheap tempers" but those tards seem to over look all the gold inflation these bots are bringing to the game, driving the prices UP instead of down.

They have an impact on the perception of how cheaters are handled in this game, and as a result people tend not to give a *** and use any exploit they find because... Judging by actions not taken against bots and comments in threads like these it seems no one cares about cheaters in this game, neither ZOS nor players who believe there is no impact on them.

In most MMOs I would agree with you so far as the impact of bots on the economy affecting everyone is concerned. However, given the restricted nature of the trading system in ESO many players take little or no part in it and are therefore unaffected by the economy and any impact on it that bots may have. For example, I've never sold a single item other than to a NPC merchant since the PC launch and in all that time have probably bought about 3 items from guild traders at a maximum price of a couple of hundred gold per item.

Competitive players in both PvE and PvP are obviously impacted by exploiters, but not all players by any means are playing competitively.

I would never claim that nobody is affected by bots or exploiters, but I would equally never accept the claim that everybody is affected by them. It's entirely down to playstyle as to whether you're affected or not. Many are, many are not.

Agreed.

Their economic impact is going to be negligible for most players because they are selling to NPCs anyway.

Back in the early days of beta (when bots were a serious problem) dominating spawn points was the real offender.

Malic

Neither are going anywhere. If they could fix the lag, and rid the game of bots they likely would have by now. If people expect them too, that would mean you believe they can fix the problem and wont and thats pretty damming.

This isnt a new game anymore.

Juhasow

Performance issues

It's almost obvious that Bots option will be chosen by those who dont have performance issues.

MasterSpatula

Bots

Actually eliminating performance issues is a utopian pipe dream. There's no Viagra for MMOs. It's an online game. Internet latency will always be an issue. Graphics performance, difference from one rig to another, etc. It's not solvable. Improvements are certainly possible, but the problem cannot be eliminated

Bots are a solvable problem, though. All ZOS has to do is their damn jobs. Put GMs in game at all times to deal with reports as they occur. Doing that shouldn't even be optional. They could get rid of bots as soon as they appear. They'd just rather keep payroll down.

SecretAtoz

Performance issues

How about two birds with one stone? I don't know how many bots are roaming around, but if we removed all bots, there will be less stress on the server.

Betsararie

Performance issues

What *** do I give about bots? They don't affect me and I barely see them.