Max poison build

JerzeeDevil

Velidreth, Viper, & Morag Tong.

Velidreth head/shoulders.
Gold Viper Neck, 3 body pieces 1 dagger
2 Gold Morag Tong rings, 2 body pieces 1 dagger
Bow bar crafted and Disease enchant due to using poison morphs of Bow skills.

Can I make this any better? Any thoughts?

Imperial Stamina DK toon.

SodanTok

You can use sheer venom. But that would be just different flavor to what you already (viper) have.
You also have literally no set active on your backbar. Would be fine if you arent doing any damage, but you mentioned poison bow skills. Morag Tong bow would be optimal in that case.
Related to that, the enchant choice could also matter. If you spend very short time on bow bar, then getting damage glyph could be better. Poison Enchant is also better (more damage) if you do damage and change to morag tong bow (or simply 5 morag tong somewhere on body).
Disease is fine tho. Even better if you don't have major defile source (which you probably have)

JerzeeDevil

SodanTok wrote: »

You can use sheer venom. But that would be just different flavor to what you already (viper) have.
You also have literally no set active on your backbar. Would be fine if you arent doing any damage, but you mentioned poison bow skills. Morag Tong bow would be optimal in that case.
Related to that, the enchant choice could also matter. If you spend very short time on bow bar, then getting damage glyph could be better. Poison Enchant is also better (more damage) if you do damage and change to morag tong bow (or simply 5 morag tong somewhere on body).
Disease is fine tho. Even better if you don't have major defile source (which you probably have)

Finding that Morag Tong bow though..... Usually try to bar swap after firing... I do hear you though!

You think Sheer Venom is better? I am all ears! (Imperial though, NOT Khajit)

SodanTok

JerzeeDevil wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

You can use sheer venom. But that would be just different flavor to what you already (viper) have.
You also have literally no set active on your backbar. Would be fine if you arent doing any damage, but you mentioned poison bow skills. Morag Tong bow would be optimal in that case.
Related to that, the enchant choice could also matter. If you spend very short time on bow bar, then getting damage glyph could be better. Poison Enchant is also better (more damage) if you do damage and change to morag tong bow (or simply 5 morag tong somewhere on body).
Disease is fine tho. Even better if you don't have major defile source (which you probably have)

Finding that Morag Tong bow though..... Usually try to bar swap after firing... I do hear you though!

You think Sheer Venom is better? I am all ears! (Imperial though, NOT Khajit)

I dont think it is possible to say one is better than other. It is probably easier time to keep viper on (since it is every 4sec and activator is any melee attack, not poison injection which you use probably once in 10sec). But it gives you slightly more relevant stats (2 weapon damage instead of 2 crits). it just for the taste and then experience trying it what suits you better

Regarding morag tong bow, you can aswell just grind second viper weapon and have 5 morag tong pieces on your body.

JerzeeDevil

SodanTok wrote: »

JerzeeDevil wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

You can use sheer venom. But that would be just different flavor to what you already (viper) have.
You also have literally no set active on your backbar. Would be fine if you arent doing any damage, but you mentioned poison bow skills. Morag Tong bow would be optimal in that case.
Related to that, the enchant choice could also matter. If you spend very short time on bow bar, then getting damage glyph could be better. Poison Enchant is also better (more damage) if you do damage and change to morag tong bow (or simply 5 morag tong somewhere on body).
Disease is fine tho. Even better if you don't have major defile source (which you probably have)

Finding that Morag Tong bow though..... Usually try to bar swap after firing... I do hear you though!

You think Sheer Venom is better? I am all ears! (Imperial though, NOT Khajit)

I dont think it is possible to say one is better than other. It is probably easier time to keep viper on (since it is every 4sec and activator is any melee attack, not poison injection which you use probably once in 10sec). But it gives you slightly more relevant stats (2 weapon damage instead of 2 crits). it just for the taste and then experience trying it what suits you better

Regarding morag tong bow, you can aswell just grind second viper weapon and have 5 morag tong pieces on your body.

Been trying that too, thanks for the replies and suggestions! Keep them coming all.

Izaki

For a PvP build (A DW Bow build is far too defenseless to be used in PvP, especially in medium armor, I doubt you'll make it work...)

Velidreth + Viper + Ophdian Venom.

Infused Poison or Disease enchant on Sword and Shield on front bar
Maelstrom's Nirnhoned 2H with Double Ravage Health poisons on back bar

Gold Ophidian Venom jewelry + 2 body pieces (for it to proc on both bars)
3 Viper body pieces + Infused Sword + Shield

Now you could definitely swap Viper for Morag Tong. But I'd advise against it in PvP since you'll barely feel the 10% damage increase on your DoTs, but you will definitely feel the Viper DoT.

PvP Bars:
1hS: Venom Claw, Heroic Slash, Igneous Shield, Vigor, Reverberating Bash, Sword and Board Ultimate
2H: Noxious Breath, Executionner, Crit Rush, Rally, Hardened Armor, Dragon Leap

This is definitely a viable poison proc build for PvP. If I were to make it even more viable, I'd swap the Velidreth out for Bloodspawn just to get some extra defenses, since medium is very squishy, but it can totally work with Velidreht also.

Now if this is not a PvP build, but a PvE build, firstly I'd say that its not very viable in trials compared to other options, but in can definitely be good in dungeons:

Velidreth + Morag Tong + Ophidian Venom

DW: Infused Poison enchant main hand weapon, Berserker enchant off hand weapon front bar
Bow: Nirnhoned/Precise/Sharpened Maelstrom's Bow (if you don't have it then Master's Bow, if not that either, then a Morag Tong bow with a Double Ravage Health poison).

Gold Ophidian Venom jewelry + 2 body pieces
3 Morag Tong body pieces + 2 daggers (Main hand Infused, off hand sharpened or precise)

Bars:
DW: Rearming Trap, Venom Claw, Rending Slashes, Deadly Cloak, Noxious Breath (ideally Flames of Oblivion is better, but since this is a poison build, screw that)
Bow: Endless Hail, Razor Caltrops, Poison Injection, Vigor, Molten Armaments

shinikaze

how about sheer venom + vicecanon + ravage health poison.
Just lethal arrow from stealth and inmediatly shoot poison injection. you will apply 6 poison almost at the same time.

Masel

If you wanna go full proctard, use Red Mountain, Velidreth/Mephala and Ophidian Set of Veno on a stam DK:

Horowonnoe

JerzeeDevil wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

You can use sheer venom. But that would be just different flavor to what you already (viper) have.
You also have literally no set active on your backbar. Would be fine if you arent doing any damage, but you mentioned poison bow skills. Morag Tong bow would be optimal in that case.
Related to that, the enchant choice could also matter. If you spend very short time on bow bar, then getting damage glyph could be better. Poison Enchant is also better (more damage) if you do damage and change to morag tong bow (or simply 5 morag tong somewhere on body).
Disease is fine tho. Even better if you don't have major defile source (which you probably have)

Finding that Morag Tong bow though..... Usually try to bar swap after firing... I do hear you though!

You think Sheer Venom is better? I am all ears! (Imperial though, NOT Khajit)

I have like 4 morag tong bows for sale in ESE lol

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

JerzeeDevil wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

You can use sheer venom. But that would be just different flavor to what you already (viper) have.
You also have literally no set active on your backbar. Would be fine if you arent doing any damage, but you mentioned poison bow skills. Morag Tong bow would be optimal in that case.
Related to that, the enchant choice could also matter. If you spend very short time on bow bar, then getting damage glyph could be better. Poison Enchant is also better (more damage) if you do damage and change to morag tong bow (or simply 5 morag tong somewhere on body).
Disease is fine tho. Even better if you don't have major defile source (which you probably have)

Finding that Morag Tong bow though..... Usually try to bar swap after firing... I do hear you though!

You think Sheer Venom is better? I am all ears! (Imperial though, NOT Khajiit)

I use the Sheer Venom set (3 jewelry+ 2 body) and use it with the Morag Tong Set (4pc body + 1 bow (sharpened) and+1 Maul (sharpened) ) on a stamina /Poison DK build, race= Argonian. (note- the race was more for looks because he looks like a bipedal Raptor for Jurassic park , wears green and is pretty cool, since he is a poisonous lizard, the extra racial health though helps..)

Poison enchant on the Bow and more weapon damage enchant on the Maul. 1pc Kena for more weapon damage.

I love the Sheer Venom set way better than the Viper, why? Well it's because I can use it during melee and use it ranged as well (which you cannot do with the Viper set, since ZOS fixed it awhile ago).

In Melee, I use the two handed execute (Reverse slice) and it proc's the Sheer Venom, and when I use the Poison Injection Bow execute ability from Range it also proc's the Sheer Venom (I tested it) and the tool tip on Fextralife says like 8500 damage but when wearing the set, mine is like 11.8k+ almost 12k, so in PvP that is 5900+/6k damage over 6 sec's, approx. 983/1k + damage a second.

The Poison Injection ability or 2H execute just destroys people at like 50% or lower health when the Sheer Venom proc's.

The Morag Tong set has alot of weapon damage on it and the 5 pc gives 10% more damage for 5 more sec's, and makes any poison ability just that more potent.

If I was going to make a Nightblade poison build, I would most likely go Imperial because of the high stats (Health and Stam) and use Vicecannon of Venom with the Sheer Venom set. The extra health would be needed to stay alive since the two of these set's proc'ing will continue to bring a Nightblade out of Cloak or Sneak, the main reason I made a DK poison build instead with the Sheer Venom set.

JerzeeDevil

Horowonnoe wrote: »

JerzeeDevil wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

You can use sheer venom. But that would be just different flavor to what you already (viper) have.
You also have literally no set active on your backbar. Would be fine if you arent doing any damage, but you mentioned poison bow skills. Morag Tong bow would be optimal in that case.
Related to that, the enchant choice could also matter. If you spend very short time on bow bar, then getting damage glyph could be better. Poison Enchant is also better (more damage) if you do damage and change to morag tong bow (or simply 5 morag tong somewhere on body).
Disease is fine tho. Even better if you don't have major defile source (which you probably have)

Finding that Morag Tong bow though..... Usually try to bar swap after firing... I do hear you though!

You think Sheer Venom is better? I am all ears! (Imperial though, NOT Khajit)

I have like 4 morag tong bows for sale in ESE lol

PS4, NA

I ended up just buying one, thanks though!

ViceCanon takes you out of stealth...FYI on a NIghtBlade.

SmellyUnlimited

Of course one purge negates your entire build....

JerzeeDevil

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Of course one purge negates your entire build....

PvE, not PvP

llElLoboll

I have used sheer venom with vicecannon for a long time with the dual health poison. Vicecannon double barred, master bow infused, kena head, and sheer venom active on the 2h bar with the dual health poison. Wood elf for the recov and you'll end up with 4200wd, 2800 stam recov, 1100 mag recov, and 5 dots. For those that say dot builds don't work against templars that is largely a false statement. However, really good templars will purge most of your dot damage but with five dots going that are easily procced and therefore have a high uptime if the templar doesn't throw down purge constantly then the dots will be doing a lot of damage. Definitely not a BiS build but I've used it with great success for about a year and have had a ton of fun 1vxing with it.

Edit: If this was for pve my bad I missed that part.

JerzeeDevil

llElLoboll wrote: »

I have used sheer venom with vicecannon for a long time with the dual health poison. Vicecannon double barred, master bow infused, kena head, and sheer venom active on the 2h bar with the dual health poison. Wood elf for the recov and you'll end up with 4200wd, 2800 stam recov, 1100 mag recov, and 5 dots. For those that say dot builds don't work against templars that is largely a false statement. However, really good templars will purge most of your dot damage but with five dots going that are easily procced and therefore have a high uptime if the templar doesn't throw down purge constantly then the dots will be doing a lot of damage. Definitely not a BiS build but I've used it with great success for about a year and have had a ton of fun 1vxing with it.

Edit: If this was for pve my bad I missed that part.

I did convert an older toon to a similar build, Wood Elf etc. I'm using Archer's Mind instead of Vice Canon though

Toast_STS

Assassin's Guile is worth consideration. The tooltip doesn't look that much better than viper but both the damage and heal can crit. A templar can purge the damage portion but you still get the full heal from it.