Zos, I’m offering to buy the cool mounts!

srfrogg23

Hey, there Zenimax! I’m not much of a gambler. The free crown crates were a great way to remind me that my luck really sucks.

But, if you take those really cool mounts in the ol’gamble-boxes, and put them up on the cash shop, I’d gladly buy one (or two) from you.

Just, you know, putting that little offer on the table for your consideration...

cmetzger93

‘‘Twas a noble effort.

JamieAubrey

Agree, still waiting for a special mount, will see what happens when the dwarven ones end

Turelus

Not going to happen sadly. They want people to buy crates.

Alexandrious

They want more of your sweet sweet moola, without doing any fixes or changes to the graphics engine. Among other things that needs fixin.

inthecoconut

They make more money off of gambling tactics considering it is easy to get addicted to the "just one more try" routine. A few people with steadfast resolve will refuse to spend any money on this tactic, but unfortunately I suspect Zenimax isn't going to be too bothered by it.

srfrogg23

inthecoconut wrote: »

They make more money off of gambling tactics considering it is easy to get addicted to the "just one more try" routine. A few people with steadfast resolve will refuse to spend any money on this tactic, but unfortunately I suspect Zenimax isn't going to be too bothered by it.

It really is a shame, too. I want to support them with my money, but not at the expense of wasting money on junk items I don’t want.

I have the nightmare horse, and I buy the dlc I like. Can’t bring myself to waste money on potions and exp scrolls, though...

f047ys3v3n

inthecoconut wrote: »

They make more money off of gambling tactics considering it is easy to get addicted to the "just one more try" routine. A few people with steadfast resolve will refuse to spend any money on this tactic, but unfortunately I suspect Zenimax isn't going to be too bothered by it.

Why would ZOS be bothered by the few folks who refuse to burn money praying in front of the statute of RNJesus? They still get money from those folks by selling them unique limited time only crown store stuff. I've got my dwemer spider, kaguti, and saber tooth sench and I like them. I also like the limited time only nature of these types of mounts since I don't have to see them around all the time so I feel a little special.

ZOS has an effective crown store system set up that seems to effectively capitalize on a variety of different constitutions. Gambling is an important part of that. If you want to know how important just look up the economics of casinos. The human subconscious just seems deeply and stubbornly hardwired to fail to grasp, at the emotional level at which decisions are made, the actual nature of statistics. People always seem to feel like any gamble is 50/50 because you either win or don't.

I would be curious what percent of crowns come from crown crates. My guess would be that it is well over half. These free crates were also a well executed move. Now the degenerate gamblers do not have to admit to being such. You can spend $1k on crates to get your mount, say you were just lucky, and nobody can look down on you for your moral failings because everybody got crates and nobody can know who bought more.

Lastly, I should note that ZOS has not crossed the line into pay to win with their crown store. It really has been well done on the whole even when it annoys me.

Shardan4968

Normal guar mount = 1300 crowns

Special guar mount from crown crates = 20000 crowns If you have luck of average person

Crown Crates = profit for Zenimax

Yeah it's not p2w or anything like that, no one forces you to buy crates, but I don't like gambling just like I don't like drugs.
There always will be some people who are willing to be buying crowns until they get what they want. Same people are making Bethesda proud of Cretion Club.

zaria

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Normal guar mount = 1300 crowns

Special guar mount from crown crates = 20000 crowns If you have luck of average person

Crown Crates = profit for Zenimax

Yeah it's not p2w or anything like that, no one forces you to buy crates, but I don't like gambling just like I don't like drugs.
There always will be some people who are willing to be buying crowns until they get what they want. Same people are making Bethesda proud of Cretion Club.

Yes they are surfing on wales, this is the standard in F2P business, either people who are rich so blowing 1K$/ month is not an issue, the wine or booze you drink while playing is more expensive
The other groups are idiot / victims, the usual suspects spending all their money gambling

The majority do an fast calculation of prices and eject hard.
Only useful thing from the dwemer crown crate was an long braided hairstyle I bought because I found than I did not wanted much for the upcoming one. Two hats I buy for the gems is the only ting, will probably buy more from the store as prices are more reasonable.

Megabear

Crate is much more profitable for them due to gambling addiction. Why would they give that up?

Soleya

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Hey, there Zenimax! I’m not much of a gambler. The free crown crates were a great way to remind me that my luck really sucks.

But, if you take those really cool mounts in the ol’gamble-boxes, and put them up on the cash shop, I’d gladly buy one (or two) from you.

Just, you know, putting that little offer on the table for your consideration...

Sadly they don't want your money (or mine). They just want money from "whales".

Savos_Saren

On one hand: They could offer to sell us everything for a fixed amount of money in the crown stores. Everyone would participate instead of relying on a gamble.

On the other hand: They could get gamblers to waste a lot of money on chance and lose out on the purchases that anti-gamblers would make.

Bhaal5

Zos will make more money out of you by locking it away behind a gambling system

SirAxen

Most people wouldn't buy them regardless, the Crates are just a way to exude outrage safely.

Jayman1000

srfrogg23 wrote: »

inthecoconut wrote: »

They make more money off of gambling tactics considering it is easy to get addicted to the "just one more try" routine. A few people with steadfast resolve will refuse to spend any money on this tactic, but unfortunately I suspect Zenimax isn't going to be too bothered by it.

It really is a shame, too. I want to support them with my money, but not at the expense of wasting money on junk items I don’t want.

I have the nightmare horse, and I buy the dlc I like. Can’t bring myself to waste money on potions and exp scrolls, though...

Clearly you are not whale enough for them to truly value doing crate business with you. You need to go full whale on them crates.

Eyesinthedrk

I call them sucker crates for a reason.

acw37162

Really good line from the last "Roc's" Baywatch movie

and........... not a single *** was given.

Was an exceptionally try though.

At this point I think the only thing that will change the business model for almost the entire industry is Legislation, lord knows a extensive portion of people are lining up for their dopeamine hit.

Aeslief

I am glad that the high rollers are willing to spend so much for the chase items. I am grateful for their support.

The only item in the crates that I would spend a reasonable amount of money to obtain is the Plague Husk Horse. Man, I'd really like to buy that! However, there is NO amount of money I can spend that will guarantee I get it, therefore I will spend zero dollars on it.

If there was a good chance I'd at least feel good about the money I spent even if I didn't get the top prize, I might be willing to try it. But getting nothing but lousy consumables and some purple lips that I can't even convert to gems would make me feel bad about spending the money so, again, zero dollars.

Again, no criticism against people who spend big bucks on the chase items, I'm grateful for their contribution. I just wish there was a way that I could contribute too that didn't feel like throwing money away. It's not a feeling that makes you happy you spent the money.

SirAxen

Aeslief wrote: »

I am glad that the high rollers are willing to spend so much for the chase items. I am grateful for their support.

The only item in the crates that I would spend a reasonable amount of money to obtain is the Plague Husk Horse. Man, I'd really like to buy that! However, there is NO amount of money I can spend that will guarantee I get it, therefore I will spend zero dollars on it.

If there was a good chance I'd at least feel good about the money I spent even if I didn't get the top prize, I might be willing to try it. But getting nothing but lousy consumables and some purple lips that I can't even convert to gems would make me feel bad about spending the money so, again, zero dollars.

Again, no criticism against people who spend big bucks on the chase items, I'm grateful for their contribution. I just wish there was a way that I could contribute too that didn't feel like throwing money away. It's not a feeling that makes you happy you spent the money.

To also be fair, not everyone that takes part in the crates spends 'big bucks'. I and many others purchase one 15 pack a season. I got pretty lucky this season on some mounts.

Cpt_Teemo

SirAxen wrote: »

Aeslief wrote: »

I am glad that the high rollers are willing to spend so much for the chase items. I am grateful for their support.

The only item in the crates that I would spend a reasonable amount of money to obtain is the Plague Husk Horse. Man, I'd really like to buy that! However, there is NO amount of money I can spend that will guarantee I get it, therefore I will spend zero dollars on it.

If there was a good chance I'd at least feel good about the money I spent even if I didn't get the top prize, I might be willing to try it. But getting nothing but lousy consumables and some purple lips that I can't even convert to gems would make me feel bad about spending the money so, again, zero dollars.

Again, no criticism against people who spend big bucks on the chase items, I'm grateful for their contribution. I just wish there was a way that I could contribute too that didn't feel like throwing money away. It's not a feeling that makes you happy you spent the money.

To also be fair, not everyone that takes part in the crates spends 'big bucks'. I and many others purchase one 15 pack a season. I got pretty lucky this season on some mounts.

And some don't spend anything and get one free, seems the less you spend the better odds

Chufu

Mh if you bought enough crates, you are able to buy that mount for crown-gems. So if you want to spread out your money, you can buy crown crates: if you are lucky, you get the mount and if you are not lucky, you can buy it for gems.

Alternate: you don't buy crown-crates and send your money/gold to the poor orcs of Tamriel! I know one!

MissBizz

There are plenty of things I would have bought through all these seasons of crates. Fortunately I learned my lesson in the first season after buying a single 15 pack.

More money for me I guess

KingMagaw

Chufu wrote: »

Mh if you bought enough crates, you are able to buy that mount for crown-gems. So if you want to spread out your money, you can buy crown crates: if you are lucky, you get the mount and if you are not lucky, you can buy it for gems.

Alternate: you don't buy crown-crates and send your money/gold to the poor orcs of Tamriel! I know one!

Unless its the Plague horse then your 'forced' to keep gambling ) Dont see why they wouldn't be available in APEX gem purchasable!

Chufu

KingMagaw wrote: »

Chufu wrote: »

Mh if you bought enough crates, you are able to buy that mount for crown-gems. So if you want to spread out your money, you can buy crown crates: if you are lucky, you get the mount and if you are not lucky, you can buy it for gems.

Alternate: you don't buy crown-crates and send your money/gold to the poor orcs of Tamriel! I know one!

Unless its the Plague horse then your 'forced' to keep gambling ) Dont see why they wouldn't be available in APEX gem purchasable!

Oh yeah that's true okay then it's just luck (or a lot of money)

Evenstar

KingMagaw wrote: »

Chufu wrote: »

Mh if you bought enough crates, you are able to buy that mount for crown-gems. So if you want to spread out your money, you can buy crown crates: if you are lucky, you get the mount and if you are not lucky, you can buy it for gems.

Alternate: you don't buy crown-crates and send your money/gold to the poor orcs of Tamriel! I know one!

Unless its the Plague horse then your 'forced' to keep gambling ) Dont see why they wouldn't be available in APEX gem purchasable!

I just realized this. A serious bummer you cant buy them with gems.

Phinix1

They had a good thing going with adding gems so you could eventually save up to buy whatever you wanted from a crate season. Then their greed kicked in and they started gouging gambling addicts with these most desired mounts you can't buy with them.

If it were my company I would fire the greedy gambling addict dragging my customers and name through the muck.

Balamoor

Recremen wrote: »

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Does that mean you will boycott the forums too???



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Phinix1

Honestly, this whole season feels phoned in to milk whales.

They didn't even bother putting anything cool in categories below Legendary, and they even made a couple things in there cost 200 gems instead of the regular 100.

I think I'll be skipping this season of compulsive gambling corruption, thanks.

The only plague here is the greed of the department running these crates. If they had just stuck with the model where everything could be bought with gems, but no. There was a way to screw it up for greed and they found it.

GG ZOS.

Aeslief

Chufu wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

Chufu wrote: »

Mh if you bought enough crates, you are able to buy that mount for crown-gems. So if you want to spread out your money, you can buy crown crates: if you are lucky, you get the mount and if you are not lucky, you can buy it for gems.

Alternate: you don't buy crown-crates and send your money/gold to the poor orcs of Tamriel! I know one!

Unless its the Plague horse then your 'forced' to keep gambling ) Dont see why they wouldn't be available in APEX gem purchasable!

Oh yeah that's true okay then it's just luck (or a lot of money)

(emphasis added)

The point is, there is NO amount of money you can spend to get the Plague horse. Even if I spent $500, or even $1,000, I still might not get the item I was chasing. How do you think I'd feel about the money I had spent?

Crown gems are the only thing that keeps crates tolerable for we who just will not gamble. Even so the system could use some tweaking. I still would not feel good about the money I spent if I am stuck with ugly cosmetics that I do not like and can't convert to gems. I would regret the money I spent and spend no more. Even worse, even if I do acquire gems, there is no amount of gems I can accrue that will bring me the Plague horse that I desire.

I want to spend money on this game. I'm just asking to feel like I am getting good value for what I spend.

Doctordarkspawn

Turelus wrote: »

Not going to happen sadly. They want people to buy crates.

They want you to get hooked on the gamecrates and bankrupt yourself.

ZOS does not want your feedback. Stop giving it.