Getting bumped from group dungeons...

phileunderx2

I wanted to kick both of the DD's during my vom run yesterday. Was normal. One was 45 the other 250 ish. All bow light attack with the occasional snipe. So the tank tanked and I dpsed and healed myself and the tank. The dps got a free ride. #puglife

IwakuraLain42

Happens to me occasionally when I level new toons thru random dungeon run (might not be the fastest method but sure is more entertaining then grinding Skyreach). I don't think the penalty is given directly after being kicked anymore, at least not always. Got just kicked twice out of nWGT for my lvl 32 Warden Tank (by the the same people, one of them had the audacity of sending me guild invite before the kick ....) without any penalty.

zaria

Pele wrote: »

Be glad they kicked you. You don't want to run with anyone who does that because their attitude isn't the only thing that stinks - they're usually terribad at the game and are the first to point fingers and rage when something goes wrong or they die to standing in fire.

Also, I agree with the 15 minute penalty issue. I don't think the 15min queue penalty should apply to anyone who leaves/is kicked before boss 1 let alone as soon as everyone zones in.

This, I only see one reason, 3 hopeless players who needed some to carry them.
Normal bloodroot is not that hard, has not had wipes in it I think.
That is if it was not veteran by mistake, easy to mess up here, has done it many times.

And kick should not give wait penalty, tend to be two types of kicking, low level at start, they are just victims of the stupid rng of finder.
Bad players got kicked later

Zypheran

Krayzie wrote: »

I kick all low CP from all DLC dungeons

Do you also litter on the street and cut the line in queues by any chance?

Krayzie

Runefang wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

I kick all low CP from all DLC dungeons

Why? If a player knows the mechanics they'll be just fine.

True.

Runefang wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

I kick all low CP from all DLC dungeons

Why? If a player knows the mechanics they'll be just fine.

Highly unlikely, but you and me can test that, any content PVE/PVP Xbox/PC NA

Storymaster

Eatmyface wrote: »

I just want to share a personal experience from about 10 mins ago.... I'm currently p****d and reading the forums to cool off lol.

Activity finder whipped me away to bloodroot forge on NORMAL, so I was stoked to get one of my daily pledges out of the way.

Context: I'm only a CP250 magsorc, but have levelled multiple characters to 50 so I'm not completely fresh. .

@Eatmyface
250 CP is more than enough to run Normie Bloodrot forge. Are you sure you didn't accidentally queue for Veteran Bloodrot Forge, as it is default set to queue for Vet Dungeons. Either way, I wouldn't worry yourself over it too much.

akl77

15 min penalty was nothing, I get 1 hour penalty twice in this game. First queue in 24 hours, not even like I played for hours to get an 1 hour penalty.
I also get voted out numerous times as 660 Templar healer when I joined a group, not even started fights. And I get penalties, for what really ZOS?

rotaugen454

I've never voted to kick a low CP player. The list of things I will kick for is pretty small.
1) Fake tanks- DPS that want to skip the line
2) Players who join group and don't show up. I'll wait a bit, but if after 3 minutes they don't answer or show up, they go.
3) Players who DC and don't get back within 5 minutes.
4) Fake healers- DPS who want to skip the line and can't even bother to have ANY heals

Anyone can learn mechanics.

Mauin

I haven't been kicked because of level for a long while, but I have been kicked several times recently because of infinite loading screens and game crashes. It seriously annoys me when that happens because I have no control over this game's issues. I wind up with a penalty because other players are impatient and the game itself has issues. Thanks, guys. I hope your run fails and all your loot is garbage.

This happened most recently on Sunday. Queued for a random with a tank that still needs his skills leveled. The dungeon was Spindleclutch I on normal. Game decided it was time for an infinite loading screen. As soon as I killed the client and logged back on, I was greeted with "removing from area" only see the group in the distance working on the first trash mob. I had time to type something in zone chat, but I don't know if they ever saw it.

jaws343

Iselin wrote: »

Just out curiosity, were you a replacement 4th or was this a brand new group? I'm always leery of joining a group part way. Not always, but frequently enough, you're joining pre-existing drama. Sometimes a bad player got kicked and you're replacing that one but just as often the only good player in that group got fed up and left.

I got put into one of those as DPS the other day on my sorc and the healing was terrible so I slotted my Matriarch since it was obvious to me that healing help was needed. The Warden healer (who was using his bear and no healing ultimate) threw a hissy fit because I was throwing out some occasional heals.

It's the dark side of PUGs: not only is it pot luck with player abilities, it's the same with their personalities.

I'll never understand this. Why would any healer be upset with additional heals? That is like complaining because a DD is able to self heal and needs no help from the healer. Ridiculous.

Personally, I have found that mag Warden tanks are some of my favorite to run with, if they are using the heals properly. The extra healing in a vet dungeon is god mode.

Dantaria

jaws343 wrote: »

I'll never understand this. Why would any healer be upset with additional heals? That is like complaining because a DD is able to self heal and needs no help from the healer. Ridiculous.

Because healing is my job and by slotting self-heals you in many situations show that you don't trust me

Like... If people refuse to slot Vigor on last boss even in nHoF, I'm gonna be royally frustrated. But dungeons? Please. Why on earth are you slotting Vigor, I got you, slot damage skill and do your job, jeez, I'm good in mine. I got good in mine specifically so you would feel comfortable and slot everything you need for teh deeps.

I FARMED MASTER STAFF FOR YOU I FARMED WORM FOR YOU I FARMED SPC FOR YOU MY COMBAT PRAYER HITS FOR 6K WHY DON'T YOU APPRECIATE IT JUST APPRECIATE IT DAMMIT

Jayman1000

Yup, in my eyes this is snobby elite players that actually have the indecency to use the dungeon finder only to then kick people they do not deem worthy. If they only want to play with the worthy why the deuce don't they just make their own group from zone chat or a guild??

That being said, it would be nice if in the dungeoun finder you could specify what cp range you wanted to group with that way I think we could avoid much of this deplorable behavior.

Also was this from a normal dungeoun? that doesn't even make sense

Nestor

Last night I accept a request for a Tank for a Pledge. I grab the pledges noticing that one of them is Bloodroot. I know the couple who asked for the tank, they are new to the game and new to group dungeons. Both are like CP200ish. I figure they can't be thinking about Bloodroot, but one of the other ones. Yep, they picked Bloodroot, not understanding it is one of the hardest in the game, even on Normal, but still doable. My Tanks is pretty good and the DPS was familiar with the dungeon, so what is the worst that can happen?

Well, we wiped once on each boss, talked about some tactics and skills to use, and in the end had a lot of fun and finished the dungeon. Everyone learned something, even me, but I had only done that place once as a DPS, not a tank.

Two days ago, I accepted a zone request to do Banished Cells as I needed to kill some time while the Broncos figured out how to lose the game in the second half. Got grouped with a couple of L20 somethings and a CP200ish. I was DPS at the time. We chatted briefly about each boss and went to town. Finished that one and decided to do BC II. Yep, finished that one too.

Bottom line, there is no reason to kick anyone on a Normal Dungeon. Until maybe you know that they suck because, and I stress this, they don't know their role, and don't listen to instructions and won't ask for help if they fail. This takes at least getting to the first boss.

AlMcFly

Group was probably doing you a favor OP. Any group that struggles in an ESO normal dungeon, shouldn't be doing dungeons yet.

Mazbt

kicking someone from a normal dungeon is pathetic. They should feel bad.

Axoinus

I say don't get offended and move on. Could have been a 10 year old.

I see you are on PS4. That could be a big part of it. I doubt it was elitist. The average console player has far less knowledge than a PC gamer.

It's not always stupidity guys. It could just be lack of knowledge.

Food for thought...Maybe you guys are the elitists?

WuffyCerulei

Gods it's just normal. You shouldn't have to kick people from bloody normal.

Runefang

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Gods it's just normal. You shouldn't have to kick people from bloody normal.

Well there are exceptions. PUGS are sometimes that bad.

SirMewser

People bump people from groups because they are insecure about themselves and don't like what's not meta, performing better than them.
Otherwise, they are incompetent sociopaths in the making.

There is no other, unless you're calling for stupidity and a wasting everyone else's time an argument, that has more to say on what type of person you are morally.

Don't get me wrong, there are some bad players, but instead let's look at it logically and say that both are just as guilty as are victims instead of any one sided bull.

Greevir

dpencil1 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Please check if the dev team can remove the group drop penalty from situations where a person is kicked from a group? The only time the penalty has a good reason to be there is if someone purposefully drops themself.

Solidarity, OP.

The problem with this is you get people who abuse it. A person gets a random they don't like so they will just sit there at the entrance and tell you to kick them to avoid the penalty.

PlagueSD

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

OP....yeah, I agree with others here. That's them, not you. Not you at all. ha ha For crying out loud, I healed Falkreath Hold normal on my Templar healer at like lvl 20. We did just fine. Numerous other normal dungeons I've healed with him so far and I found that sometimes the lvl 16-20's were easier to heal than the CP184 DD in the group.

I've had some CP level tanks in PUG groups that absolutely sucked. (DPS had more health than them) On the other hand, I've had some sub level 20 tanks that knew their $#*% and got stuff done.

OP, IMHO, you really didn't want to be part of that group. I'm assuming they probably wiped on the first boss' mechanics. If they did make it through, that last boss will probably eat them alive.

Jeremy

Eatmyface wrote: »

I just want to share a personal experience from about 10 mins ago.... I'm currently p****d and reading the forums to cool off lol.

I realise this kind of thing has been whinged about before but I figured that the more people bring it up, the more likely it might be to get fixed/changed!


Activity finder whipped me away to bloodroot forge on NORMAL, so I was stoked to get one of my daily pledges out of the way. I'm just home for lunch and have about an hour - plenty of time for a slow dungeon run, if necessary. I would never enter into one with the risk of having to ditch the group before it ended.

Context: I'm only a CP250 magsorc, but have levelled multiple characters to 50 so I'm not completely fresh. Full necro gear, willpower and monster sets, one character is a master crafter so I've got great food + pots + enchants, and I've been using my rotation from as early as possible on this character (she was character #3 and I knew the direction I was going).

A few seconds after arriving, I'm "being removed from the area". I do, however, have enough time to see on group chat - "Only CP250 he won't cut it get another one".

Maybe they were useless, for lack of a better descriptive, and wanted a CP660 to carry them, perhaps they were elitists and wanted to finish the last boss in 3 minutes, instead of 4. I don't know and to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have a problem with either... If it didn't affect me in any way other than having to re-queue. Side-note: I've done bloodroot on vet about 5 times, with a group of similar level to myself, and never had a problem or been the one to "drag it out" for the rest of the group. I research the mechanics before I go in and it's fine.

I get that this happens often and people can be d***s, but what annoyed me was being made to wait 15 minutes to join another queue. I wish I'd just eaten my lunch at my desk and left work an hour earlier.

Should we be punished for being bumped from a group the second we get in there? Is there any reason to not fix this? I can't think of one.

Yeah it's annoying no doubt.

The kick function is abused in this game more so than any other game I have ever played. Something really needs to be done about it. Sometimes trolls even group up together and just have fun kicking other players for their own sick and twisted amusement.

sevomd69

Dantaria wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I'll never understand this. Why would any healer be upset with additional heals? That is like complaining because a DD is able to self heal and needs no help from the healer. Ridiculous.

Because healing is my job and by slotting self-heals you in many situations show that you don't trust me

Like... If people refuse to slot Vigor on last boss even in nHoF, I'm gonna be royally frustrated. But dungeons? Please. Why on earth are you slotting Vigor, I got you, slot damage skill and do your job, jeez, I'm good in mine. I got good in mine specifically so you would feel comfortable and slot everything you need for teh deeps.

I FARMED MASTER STAFF FOR YOU I FARMED WORM FOR YOU I FARMED SPC FOR YOU MY COMBAT PRAYER HITS FOR 6K WHY DON'T YOU APPRECIATE IT JUST APPRECIATE IT DAMMIT

No...frankly its because I don't know you from a hole in the wall... I have been burned too many times in a pug "trusting" a healer to do his job and have been invariably let down multiple times... so if its ok with you I will slot whatever skill I feel I need to complete a dungeon...even though it might cause some butthurting...

Krayzie

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Gods it's just normal. You shouldn't have to kick people from bloody normal.

Any dungeon with mechanics a trash player can't handle warrants them a kick.

vamp_emily

I haven't been kicked from pledges since Aug 2016.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/283173/friendly-dungeon-runners-looking-for-active-players-pledges-trials/p1

We sometimes let a level 40+ player do trials with us, just to show them what normal trials are like.

PurpleDrank

sevomd69 wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I'll never understand this. Why would any healer be upset with additional heals? That is like complaining because a DD is able to self heal and needs no help from the healer. Ridiculous.

Because healing is my job and by slotting self-heals you in many situations show that you don't trust me

Like... If people refuse to slot Vigor on last boss even in nHoF, I'm gonna be royally frustrated. But dungeons? Please. Why on earth are you slotting Vigor, I got you, slot damage skill and do your job, jeez, I'm good in mine. I got good in mine specifically so you would feel comfortable and slot everything you need for teh deeps.

I FARMED MASTER STAFF FOR YOU I FARMED WORM FOR YOU I FARMED SPC FOR YOU MY COMBAT PRAYER HITS FOR 6K WHY DON'T YOU APPRECIATE IT JUST APPRECIATE IT DAMMIT

No...frankly its because I don't know you from a hole in the wall... I have been burned too many times in a pug "trusting" a healer to do his job and have been invariably let down multiple times... so if its ok with you I will slot whatever skill I feel I need to complete a dungeon...even though it might cause some butthurting...

I've been pug healing a lot lately and I appreciate it when someone has a heal slotted. Not because I can't heal them, but because it shows a certain amount of preparation and forethought.

MLGProPlayer

You can run through that *** naked.

MLGProPlayer

Krayzie wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Gods it's just normal. You shouldn't have to kick people from bloody normal.

Any dungeon with mechanics a trash player can't handle warrants them a kick.

There are no mechanics on normal. Everything is burnable.

Krayzie

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Gods it's just normal. You shouldn't have to kick people from bloody normal.

Any dungeon with mechanics a trash player can't handle warrants them a kick.

There are no mechanics on normal. Everything is burnable.

There's mechanics for COS 2nd to last boss and last boss, there's mechanics for WGT second to last boss, there's mechanics for ROM Chudan and last boss(not to mention slaver).

Do you play the game or just hangout on forums pretending like you know what you're talking about LOL

Mystrius_Archaion

Runefang wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

I kick all low CP from all DLC dungeons

Why? If a player knows the mechanics they'll be just fine.

Well, it does depend on what they are currently balancing for.

"Veteran" still supposedly means anything above level 50, aka VR1-VR16/cp10-cp160, without any new comment on if the goalposts for balance have changed.

BUT, testing on the PTS is normally done by max level/max-CP/best gear template character or very high CP copied over characters giving feedback on whether content is just right or too difficult or too easy.
Something tells me this hasn't been right ever since because of biased testing, making DLC dungeons harder than they should be.