Does PVP hacker exist? I saw 2 weird guys

Danteanz

I saw 2 guys who try to provoke and fight others in city. their lvl was just 8.

but they could beat others easily and got no damage.

I fought one of them and he didn't get any damage but when he hit me once I almost died

were those hackers' another alts to prevent from being banned by using hacks?

Thogard

Well im not sure about those guys in particular, but i have a friend who does that with level 10 characters. He golds out the gear and is really talented in playing the chars, then he goes and picks fights with people who don't really know how to duel, usually in glenumbra.

With battle leveling set up the way it is, low levels get insane stat boosts... especially in gold gear. He stomps CP 160+ chars that dont duel regularly all the time.

Bhaal5

If you where in a cp allowed campaign. They could still be cp660 with the low level buff.
So could be very experienced players out trolling the unexpected and the people not to knowledgeable on how that works.

Danteanz

Bhaal5 wrote: »

If you where in a cp allowed campaign. They could still be cp660 with the low level buff.
So could be very experienced players out trolling the unexpected and the people not to knowledgeable on how that works.

We were in Glenumbra. I whispered him and he said it's his duel alt, and he has cp 660 characters

I just didn't know why lvl 8 is so op. hmm eso is so complex

ssewallb14_ESO

Battle leveling can be OP at very low levels if you know how to take advantage of it. Likely an experienced player trolling.

JamieAubrey

Just battle levelled guys with 660CP passives, most likely trolling

mb10

Lol pc "master race" environment.

When someone kills you, you have no idea if it was skill or some sort of cheat.

Thankfully, I play on console where it's only skill.

Mondini

mb10 wrote: »

Lol pc "master race" environment.

When someone kills you, you have no idea if it was skill or some sort of cheat.

Thankfully, I play on console where it's only skill.

1.Skill
2. The Elder Scrolls Online
pick one

vyndral13preub18_ESO

mb10 wrote: »

Lol pc "master race" environment.

When someone kills you, you have no idea if it was skill or some sort of cheat.

Thankfully, I play on console where it's only skill.

On the good side, we can finish a raid without dash boarding...

SydneyGrey

Has nothing to do with hackers.
People can absolutely do that legitimately at level 8 if they have a lot of hidden Champion Points, and are wearing inpenetrable armor, and know what they're doing. He was probably completely set up specifically for dueling, and you weren't. Or maybe his build was just super good.

Dracofyre

when you are over 50 and some CP under your character, and someone ask for duel, and you looked.....
you see 10 lvl and you said Sure...oops, OMG, i got owned

LOL!

f047ys3v3n

There is really no way to know. Could be a great knowledgeable troll build from an experienced player not cheating at all. It could be the same thing but cheating plenty. They player and build are probably good either way. Cheat engine is not typically run in a world beating, fly around invulnerable and drop infinite metiers way, than it is in a just be 15% or so stronger than you should be way. There is not really any way to tell these things things for sure and that is the sort of keeping you in the dark and feeding you excrement way ZOS likes it. ZOS did not like the meteors falling from the sky and illustrating just how they had ignored a stealthy problem that they knew good and well about for a long time. They got those players good for their embarrassment. The ones who had been cheating as a matter of course for a long time and were inadvertently caught up in that one time cheat dragnet they let back in. I heard they made them write and I'm sorry apology like primary school students at the blackboard Bart Simpson style.

My personal thought is what I told my dad about Lance Armstrong. If your playing against all the best, who are cheating, and your winning, you are more likely to be both better than them, and also cheating, than you are to be so much better than them unaided that you can overcome the disadvantage of forgoing the cheat. That doesn't tell me anything about many of the people who kill me in PVP though as I don't have near the knowledge to make much of a call.

Koensol

These cheating threads need to die. 99% of the time it is people not knowing mechanics or recognizing abilities, and they call hax/cheat. It's starting to become hilarious.

Danteanz

Koensol wrote: »

These cheating threads need to die. 99% of the time it is people not knowing mechanics or recognizing abilities, and they call hax/cheat. It's starting to become hilarious.

hey. it was lvl 8. I didn't know cp 660 guys can do that.

is there no right to ask about this on this forum?

are you the ruler of this forum? who do you think you are?

Danteanz

Dracofyre wrote: »

when you are over 50 and some CP under your character, and someone ask for duel, and you looked.....
you see 10 lvl and you said Sure...oops, OMG, i got owned

LOL!

that's exactly what happened to me.

they kept asking me to fight them without reason. I was just standing by shrine. lol

Saturnana

Just out of curiosity; how do you think this hack would work? Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? Manipulating your or their damage output through some obscure means? Because from a technical point of view, I really don't see how anyone could beat someone else through hacking. Using cheats like macros? Maybe. Using glitches or exploits to their advantage? Probably. But hacking? As in, gaining access to data/information you shouldn't logically have access to? Very unlikely, bordering the impossible.

Danteanz

lnsane wrote: »

Just out of curiosity; how do you think this hack would work? Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? Manipulating your or their damage output through some obscure means? Because from a technical point of view, I really don't see how anyone could beat someone else through hacking. Using cheats like macros? Maybe. Using glitches or exploits to their advantage? Probably. But hacking? As in, gaining access to data/information you shouldn't logically have access to? Very unlikely, bordering the impossible.

How do I know if it's hacks or something? I just asked it

any game has hax. so I was just wondering. don't I have the right to ask on this forum?

you said Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? how do I know that!

Enslaved

mb10 wrote: »

Lol pc "master race" environment.

When someone kills you, you have no idea if it was skill or some sort of cheat.

Thankfully, I play on console where it's only skill.

If being butthurt about playing on console was a skill, I would say your skill is over 9000.

Saturnana

Danteanz wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

Just out of curiosity; how do you think this hack would work? Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? Manipulating your or their damage output through some obscure means? Because from a technical point of view, I really don't see how anyone could beat someone else through hacking. Using cheats like macros? Maybe. Using glitches or exploits to their advantage? Probably. But hacking? As in, gaining access to data/information you shouldn't logically have access to? Very unlikely, bordering the impossible.

How do I know if it's hacks or something? I just asked it

any game has hax. so I was just wondering. don't I have the right to ask on this forum?

you said Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? how do I know that!

Well, with a basic understanding of the technology involved, you'd probably know that using actual hacks to gain advantage in duels is pretty unlikely. You've come to the conclusion that it's possible, so I am interested in how you think that would work. Not looking for a detailed technical explanation, just your reasoning or the train of thought that brought you to the conclusion that hacking might be what's going on here. If you've got a valid base for your assumption, then it's a valid thread! And I'm sure ZOS would be very interested to learn what's going on.

If you really haven't given it much thought at all however (which is no big deal! of course people can ask stuff on the forums), then it may be better to not create cheating/hacking threads such as this one since they tend to create waves of panic. If you're only looking for information on the matter, or an explanation on what might've happened in that duel.. then next time maybe just ask that? Instead of titling your thread with the dreaded H-word.

Danteanz

lnsane wrote: »

Danteanz wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

Just out of curiosity; how do you think this hack would work? Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? Manipulating your or their damage output through some obscure means? Because from a technical point of view, I really don't see how anyone could beat someone else through hacking. Using cheats like macros? Maybe. Using glitches or exploits to their advantage? Probably. But hacking? As in, gaining access to data/information you shouldn't logically have access to? Very unlikely, bordering the impossible.

How do I know if it's hacks or something? I just asked it

any game has hax. so I was just wondering. don't I have the right to ask on this forum?

you said Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? how do I know that!

Well, with a basic understanding of the technology involved, you'd probably know that using actual hacks to gain advantage in duels is pretty unlikely. You've come to the conclusion that it's possible, so I am interested in how you think that would work. Not looking for a detailed technical explanation, just your reasoning or the train of thought that brought you to the conclusion that hacking might be what's going on here. If you've got a valid base for your assumption, then it's a valid thread! And I'm sure ZOS would be very interested to learn what's going on.

If you really haven't given it much thought at all however (which is no big deal! of course people can ask stuff on the forums), then it may be better to not create cheating/hacking threads such as this one since they tend to create waves of panic. If you're only looking for information on the matter, or an explanation on what might've happened in that duel.. then next time maybe just ask that? Instead of titling your thread with the dreaded H-word.

hey I didn't read all of your words but it was lvl 8.

so I just wondered how lvl 8 can beat high lvl guys. that's all?

do I have to think like what you said(I didn't read them all and don't give 2 ***) or just can ask people about this?

I didnt play this game like you no-life gamer ok?

I have questions. don't I have the right to ask what I wonder something on this forum or not?

and do I REALLY have to think like you all day instead of asking people?

and are you the OWNER of this forum????? (really wondering)

Saturnana

Danteanz wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

Danteanz wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

Just out of curiosity; how do you think this hack would work? Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? Manipulating your or their damage output through some obscure means? Because from a technical point of view, I really don't see how anyone could beat someone else through hacking. Using cheats like macros? Maybe. Using glitches or exploits to their advantage? Probably. But hacking? As in, gaining access to data/information you shouldn't logically have access to? Very unlikely, bordering the impossible.

How do I know if it's hacks or something? I just asked it

any game has hax. so I was just wondering. don't I have the right to ask on this forum?

you said Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? how do I know that!

Well, with a basic understanding of the technology involved, you'd probably know that using actual hacks to gain advantage in duels is pretty unlikely. You've come to the conclusion that it's possible, so I am interested in how you think that would work. Not looking for a detailed technical explanation, just your reasoning or the train of thought that brought you to the conclusion that hacking might be what's going on here. If you've got a valid base for your assumption, then it's a valid thread! And I'm sure ZOS would be very interested to learn what's going on.

If you really haven't given it much thought at all however (which is no big deal! of course people can ask stuff on the forums), then it may be better to not create cheating/hacking threads such as this one since they tend to create waves of panic. If you're only looking for information on the matter, or an explanation on what might've happened in that duel.. then next time maybe just ask that? Instead of titling your thread with the dreaded H-word.

hey I didn't read all of your words but it was lvl 8.

so I just wondered how lvl 8 can beat high lvl guys. that's all?

do I have to think like what you said(I didn't read them all and doesn't give 2 ***) or just can ask people about this?

I didnt play this game like you no-life gamer ok?

I have questions. don't I have the right I wonder something on this forum or not?

and do I REALLY have to think like all day instead of asking people?

and are you the OWNER of this forum????? (really wondering)

Wow, wow, wow! This derailed quickly..
All I'm pointing out is that asking "so I just wondered how lvl 8 can beat high lvl guys" is vastly different from asking "Does PVP hacker exist? I saw 2 weird guys", and that the two can give very different results. Mainly because calling things cheats and hacks has created some tension in the past. I apologize if I've given you any reason to get defensive, there's really no need to get up close and personal.

Danteanz

Wow, wow, wow! This derailed quickly..
All I'm pointing out is that asking "so I just wondered how lvl 8 can beat high lvl guys" is vastly different from asking "Does PVP hacker exist? I saw 2 weird guys", and that the two can give very different results. Mainly because calling things cheats and hacks has created some tension in the past. I apologize if I've given you any reason to get defensive, there's really no need to get up close and personal.[/quote]


there were even cp325 user and he was defeated.

so I just wondered "how can lvl 8 beat high lvl users? does pvp hack exist in eso?"

and people told me why it's not hacks. so I've understood

sorry. I didn't know there were a lot of hacks debates in the past

Magdalina

The key word is very likely level 8. Battle leveling in ESO is extremely OP in the right hands, especially topped with 660 cp. At low level like that, battle leveling will buff all your stats skyhigh - never again will your char have such op base stats as at <level 20 - to compensate for missing skills and cp, but if it's an alt you will ALSO have cp and you will know what skills to unlock - the few that are available at that level but still. That and good gear(if it's an alt they're like to have bis non vet purple gear+food+possibly even good potions) and actual player skill acquired on different characters.

The issue is you're looking at a level 8 and think "they gotta be weak, how come they're not?". But the way the system is, they're NOT weak, they're the strongest they will ever be. Granted, most/a lot of new players still are very weak because they're just starting the game and have no idea how all these things work, but an alt won't have these issues.

Tan9oSuccka

Thogard wrote: »

Well im not sure about those guys in particular, but i have a friend who does that with level 10 characters. He golds out the gear and is really talented in playing the chars, then he goes and picks fights with people who don't really know how to duel, usually in glenumbra.

With battle leveling set up the way it is, low levels get insane stat boosts... especially in gold gear. He stomps CP 160+ chars that dont duel regularly all the time.

Your friend is one sad, pathetic human being.

Aisle9

You're a CP660.

Make an alt.

Level it up to lvl 10, and assign all your CP to the relevant trees (they will apply).

Get lvl10 gear (which will be battle leveled to cp160).

Enjoy 20k in health, stamina and magicka (base), plus all the enchantments, passive and other things you might have.

Challenge people to duels.

Enjoy their reaction, as they just fought a CP660+ guy thinking he was just a stupid noob.

Tactical32

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Lol pc "master race" environment.

When someone kills you, you have no idea if it was skill or some sort of cheat.

Thankfully, I play on console where it's only skill.

On the good side, we can finish a raid without dash boarding...

Been playing since launch, never been "dashboarded" from a single trial. Not even once.

Must be an Xbox exclusive kind of deal?

Lol

ManwithBeard9

lnsane wrote: »

Just out of curiosity; how do you think this hack would work? Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour? Manipulating your or their damage output through some obscure means? Because from a technical point of view, I really don't see how anyone could beat someone else through hacking. Using cheats like macros? Maybe. Using glitches or exploits to their advantage? Probably. But hacking? As in, gaining access to data/information you shouldn't logically have access to? Very unlikely, bordering the impossible.

You must have missed the whole Cheat Engine weekend. People were flying, dropping meteors every second, over 1 mil stats. Cheat Engine is a program you can download that has reportedly been affecting the game since its release and allegedly still works to some degree.

starkerealm

Danteanz wrote: »

are you the ruler of this forum? who do you think you are?

NO! I AM THE RULER OF THE FORUMS! *Explodes*

But, seriously, four different things.

One: Yes, cheaters are out there.

lnsane wrote: »

Just out of curiosity; how do you think this hack would work? Get into ZOS' databases to adjust their own numbers in their favour?

ESO uses a trusted client architecture. Which is the only reason Cheat Engine could ever work on the game.

In any normal MMO, you run the client, and every time you want to do something you have to poke the server and say, "hey, is this okay?" Server says, "yes," or, "you don't see that big wall in your way? No, Stop moving."

ESO is not a normal MMO. A lot of data is handled in local memory. So, you tell the server, "I'm moving forward 20 feet," server says, "yeah, that's cool, have fun." Or, if you're using a memory editor, you can tell the server, "I'm moving forward 600 feet, and flying," at which point the server would say, "yeah, that's cool, have fun." And we'd get loads of posts going, "wtf is with the flying bots?"

That's the big problem. Also the reason for lag in Cyrodiil. To clamp down on cheaters, the server needs to either do some sanity checks, or needs to spot check commands that come through. Judging by the issues we're still seeing... it's probably just sanity check overheads.

Two: As other people have pointed out, dueling is a thing. It's available from the moment you leave the tutorial, as far as I know. It's consensual, so if you want to PvP someone you can.

Three: Champion Points are an account wide thing. Every character on your account has access to your full CP. This includes your sub-50s. Most people use that to make their lowbies more powerful to speed up leveling before hitting 50, but you can use them, or not, at your discretion. (I think you understood this part, but in case you missed it somehow.)

Four: Because ESO is now level-scaling, lowbie characters are given huge stat buffs to offset their stats. In theory this means the game is easier for you at low levels while you're learning, but as you become more experienced, and your character gains access to more powerful options, the training wheels come off. Most of the time, this is a good thing.

If you're experienced with the game you can break those stat buffs to hilarious effect. Seriously, you can easily push 20k DPS in white or green trash gear on a level 4-8. All of this is predicated on the idea that you actually understand the game, and have learned it's systems. But, low level characters are obscenely powerful in the right hands.

Saturnana

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

You must have missed the whole Cheat Engine weekend. People were flying, dropping meteors every second, over 1 mil stats. Cheat Engine is a program you can download that has reportedly been affecting the game since its release and allegedly still works to some degree.

Lol I did apparently, and hearing you guys I'm pretty glad I did. :P

starkerealm wrote: »

ESO uses a trusted client architecture. Which is the only reason Cheat Engine could ever work on the game.

In any normal MMO, you run the client, and every time you want to do something you have to poke the server and say, "hey, is this okay?" Server says, "yes," or, "you don't see that big wall in your way? No, Stop moving."

ESO is not a normal MMO. A lot of data is handled in local memory. So, you tell the server, "I'm moving forward 20 feet," server says, "yeah, that's cool, have fun." Or, if you're using a memory editor, you can tell the server, "I'm moving forward 600 feet, and flying," at which point the server would say, "yeah, that's cool, have fun." And we'd get loads of posts going, "wtf is with the flying bots?"

Always thought ESO operated as any other MMO, I was not aware of how Cheat Engine lets people manipulate their memory for these purposes so easily. So I stand corrected. In which case I'd say yes, that definitely counts as 'hacking' in my book (manipulating server-client data), and it's something ZOS should look into. With that in mind, I still think it's probably not what happened in the duels OP describes, but thank you for explaining.

Merlin13KAGL

People seem to forget that you're scaled to CP160, even when low level. So, if the gear and CP's are right, and the necessary skills are unlocked, a level 8 may be much more than what they appear.

(With scaling, the low levels actually end up with better-than-end-game stats, in some cases.)

Thogard

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Well im not sure about those guys in particular, but i have a friend who does that with level 10 characters. He golds out the gear and is really talented in playing the chars, then he goes and picks fights with people who don't really know how to duel, usually in glenumbra.

With battle leveling set up the way it is, low levels get insane stat boosts... especially in gold gear. He stomps CP 160+ chars that dont duel regularly all the time.

Your friend is one sad, pathetic human being.

Well at least he isn't talking s*** over the internet about people he's never met