How can some players go invisible no matter what the situation??

Koensol

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have seen players that i cast mark on still go invisible.
i do believe it is a cheat being used.
they are not suppose to be able to use invisibility with the morph i have, yet they still go invisible.
i have reported it ingame but i still see it happen.

Haha Mr. Conspiracy. Is there anything in this game that isn't cheating to you? Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it is cheating.

Storymaster

This commonly happens when players equip a ring of power. While the other members of their party will not be able to see them, it does have the positive side effect of making the player invisible to most mobs. At first this will have the appearance of being an almost game-breaking glitch, but there is a built-in balance-check that prolonged use of the ring will render the player nothing more than a shadow of their former self: embittered, twisted, and obsessed.

mike.eso

Sounds like a squirrelly nb.

I'm sure you are but we're you using the correct morph of mark, only one allows you to see a target while stealthed.

Magelight light is easy to avoid or counter if you are not applying enough pressure while using it. It has a small range so if you are not applying snares to keep the nb locked down with in that range it is very easy to get outside of it cloak and reposition.

Tan9oSuccka

Do many Stam NBs slot purge?

My shadow disguise works about 50% of the time for escape.

Gilvoth

Mikmak wrote: »

we're you using the correct morph of mark, only one allows you to see a target while stealthed.

the morph i use says:
Piercing Mark - Ability has increased duration, and you can see the target if they use stealth or invisibility.

yet they can cast invisibility, and re-appear in 3 seconds, and still showing the mark targeted i had placed on them before they had cast invisibility.

Lexxypwns

Kozato wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Kozato wrote: »

I'm a nightblade that uses shadow cloak. following the mechanics, if someone catches me with magelight or piercing mark, I'm dead. But I have both of these skills equipped - And this is the thing. I've encountered people unphased by piercing mark and magelight. Even with one or BOTH affecting them, they can just vanish instantly. I've seen this twice, a nightblade and a sorc (He mustve used a potion). but I always thought there was no way to get hidden if a move (magelight) is designed to stop them doing exactly that. How are they doing that? In imperial city I sat back, used piercing mark, and watched the same guy gon back invisible. Most people I do this to are not affected however. It's just these two encounters. (I have their name).

There is an ability called Purge in the Alliance War Support skill line, which can allow them to purge 2 negative effects.

That can't be it. The very second I used magelight/piercing mark (i experimented with them a lot) they would be able to vanish. for them to use that skill, they would have to wait for the cooldown; casting that skill, then going invisible. It was a good suggestion though, but I don't believe its the case here.

Biro123 wrote: »

Did they re-appear?

I mean, Is it possible they were queued for another campaign - and ported to it? I honestly don't know what that looks like from someone else's perspective..

Yes. After several seconds of hiding, they'd show themselves again thinking they are safe. To which I would use ambush and cast magelight on them point blank, and watch them vanish instantly again. This repeated a bit, although my testing was abruptly stopped by another player

Magelight only stops you from cloaking if it reveals you, otherwise if you're mage lighting a target before he cloaks it does nothing except activate might of the guild and waste a GCD ensuring that he can cloak and get out of range before the next magelight.

Lexxypwns

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

Was a bit strange worded from me but I know that dots usually don't break cloak. I meant if they get pulled from stealht by hurricane at any given time or just at the intervalls of the dmg. However, I was under the suspicion that someone who cloacks directly in the middle of it would put out of it instantly.

your suspicion is wrong, hurricane only breaks cloaks on damage ticks. This allows a smart NB to escape or set up a big burst or heal with cloak by having perfect timing. I often get accused of cheating for taking advantage of this with cripple and cloak inside a hurricane then moving out before the next tick. I think its one of the hardest things to pull off until you master it and its a great way to frustrate stam sorcs who are used to countering cloak so easily that they can't adapt quickly enough. It works much like popping a detect pot against a NB, either they'll instantly adapt or they'll likely melt down and start making big mistakes.

Wreuntzylla

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

Was a bit strange worded from me but I know that dots usually don't break cloak. I meant if they get pulled from stealht by hurricane at any given time or just at the intervalls of the dmg. However, I was under the suspicion that someone who cloacks directly in the middle of it would put out of it instantly.

your suspicion is wrong, hurricane only breaks cloaks on damage ticks. This allows a smart NB to escape or set up a big burst or heal with cloak by having perfect timing. I often get accused of cheating for taking advantage of this with cripple and cloak inside a hurricane then moving out before the next tick. I think its one of the hardest things to pull off until you master it and its a great way to frustrate stam sorcs who are used to countering cloak so easily that they can't adapt quickly enough. It works much like popping a detect pot against a NB, either they'll instantly adapt or they'll likely melt down and start making big mistakes.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

Was a bit strange worded from me but I know that dots usually don't break cloak. I meant if they get pulled from stealht by hurricane at any given time or just at the intervalls of the dmg. However, I was under the suspicion that someone who cloacks directly in the middle of it would put out of it instantly.

The best way to think of it is like someone casting an AoE every 1 sec. If the AoE hits, the NB is popped, but can then cloak. If they get far enough away from you in that 1 sec to be outside your AoE range, then the next AoE won't hit. No hit, no pop.

If your out in the open, curse them and wait for the second explosion. Also, pay attention to which way they are facing when you pop them and go that direction. Against good NBs you still have a chance of popping them, especially if they underestimate you.

If they are clearly out of your aoe and you spot them uncloak and cloak, call it a loss. I regularly send entire zergs in the wrong direction by intentionally letting myself be seen, cloaking and then going in a different direction. When people are mad at you, it's amazing how much time they will waste looking for you. Because of the speed thing I mentioned, it's pointless to chase after a halfway decent NB you can't see, 99% chance your wasting time.

A while back someone linked me to an NB video of a console player that shows most of the same tactics I use. I wish I could link it, the thing is freaking hilarious, the guy narrates it with a fake french accent and does a sort of RP kind of spiel where he 'talks' to the enemy. "Oh, yes yes, my beauty, keep going, my dagger is not long enough for your 50k health."

firedrgn

Its the peeps getting link death. That's why they disapear.

Actualy I don't have any idea I'm,just make stuff up to make,my post count go up.

Drummerx04

Kozato wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Kozato wrote: »

I'm a nightblade that uses shadow cloak. following the mechanics, if someone catches me with magelight or piercing mark, I'm dead. But I have both of these skills equipped - And this is the thing. I've encountered people unphased by piercing mark and magelight. Even with one or BOTH affecting them, they can just vanish instantly. I've seen this twice, a nightblade and a sorc (He mustve used a potion). but I always thought there was no way to get hidden if a move (magelight) is designed to stop them doing exactly that. How are they doing that? In imperial city I sat back, used piercing mark, and watched the same guy gon back invisible. Most people I do this to are not affected however. It's just these two encounters. (I have their name).

There is an ability called Purge in the Alliance War Support skill line, which can allow them to purge 2 negative effects.

That can't be it. The very second I used magelight/piercing mark (i experimented with them a lot) they would be able to vanish. for them to use that skill, they would have to wait for the cooldown; casting that skill, then going invisible. It was a good suggestion though, but I don't believe its the case here.

Biro123 wrote: »

Did they re-appear?

I mean, Is it possible they were queued for another campaign - and ported to it? I honestly don't know what that looks like from someone else's perspective..

Yes. After several seconds of hiding, they'd show themselves again thinking they are safe. To which I would use ambush and cast magelight on them point blank, and watch them vanish instantly again. This repeated a bit, although my testing was abruptly stopped by another player

From my experimentation with radiant magelight and a stealthing buddy, magelight only forces a stealth break on the initial cast of the skill, that 6 second duration does exactly nothing. So in this particular instance, you ambush in, cast magelight, and then the enemy NB cloaks safely.

NyassaV

It's not a cheat, it's probably shadow image or purge, I know I use both on occasions

kargen27

Kozato wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Kozato wrote: »

I'm a nightblade that uses shadow cloak. following the mechanics, if someone catches me with magelight or piercing mark, I'm dead. But I have both of these skills equipped - And this is the thing. I've encountered people unphased by piercing mark and magelight. Even with one or BOTH affecting them, they can just vanish instantly. I've seen this twice, a nightblade and a sorc (He mustve used a potion). but I always thought there was no way to get hidden if a move (magelight) is designed to stop them doing exactly that. How are they doing that? In imperial city I sat back, used piercing mark, and watched the same guy gon back invisible. Most people I do this to are not affected however. It's just these two encounters. (I have their name).

There is an ability called Purge in the Alliance War Support skill line, which can allow them to purge 2 negative effects.

That can't be it. The very second I used magelight/piercing mark (i experimented with them a lot) they would be able to vanish. for them to use that skill, they would have to wait for the cooldown; casting that skill, then going invisible. It was a good suggestion though, but I don't believe its the case here.

Biro123 wrote: »

Did they re-appear?

I mean, Is it possible they were queued for another campaign - and ported to it? I honestly don't know what that looks like from someone else's perspective..

Yes. After several seconds of hiding, they'd show themselves again thinking they are safe. To which I would use ambush and cast magelight on them point blank, and watch them vanish instantly again. This repeated a bit, although my testing was abruptly stopped by another player

Could it be Elusive Mist from the Vampire skills? I'm not sure how that one works.

Kozato

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Kozato wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Kozato wrote: »

I'm a nightblade that uses shadow cloak. following the mechanics, if someone catches me with magelight or piercing mark, I'm dead. But I have both of these skills equipped - And this is the thing. I've encountered people unphased by piercing mark and magelight. Even with one or BOTH affecting them, they can just vanish instantly. I've seen this twice, a nightblade and a sorc (He mustve used a potion). but I always thought there was no way to get hidden if a move (magelight) is designed to stop them doing exactly that. How are they doing that? In imperial city I sat back, used piercing mark, and watched the same guy gon back invisible. Most people I do this to are not affected however. It's just these two encounters. (I have their name).

There is an ability called Purge in the Alliance War Support skill line, which can allow them to purge 2 negative effects.

That can't be it. The very second I used magelight/piercing mark (i experimented with them a lot) they would be able to vanish. for them to use that skill, they would have to wait for the cooldown; casting that skill, then going invisible. It was a good suggestion though, but I don't believe its the case here.

Biro123 wrote: »

Did they re-appear?

I mean, Is it possible they were queued for another campaign - and ported to it? I honestly don't know what that looks like from someone else's perspective..

Yes. After several seconds of hiding, they'd show themselves again thinking they are safe. To which I would use ambush and cast magelight on them point blank, and watch them vanish instantly again. This repeated a bit, although my testing was abruptly stopped by another player

From my experimentation with radiant magelight and a stealthing buddy, magelight only forces a stealth break on the initial cast of the skill, that 6 second duration does exactly nothing. So in this particular instance, you ambush in, cast magelight, and then the enemy NB cloaks safely.

I understand what you mean, but even after I casted it, I see that blue swirl attach to them, then it just disappeared. (There's a lot of possibilities about it I'm currently trying to wrap my head around all of them).

Kozato

Mikmak wrote: »

Sounds like a squirrelly nb.

I'm sure you are but we're you using the correct morph of mark, only one allows you to see a target while stealthed.

Magelight light is easy to avoid or counter if you are not applying enough pressure while using it. It has a small range so if you are not applying snares to keep the nb locked down with in that range it is very easy to get outside of it cloak and reposition.

I'm using the one that specifically grants you the power to see those who go invisible. After the incident I actually doubted it and double checked.

Sevn

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

Was a bit strange worded from me but I know that dots usually don't break cloak. I meant if they get pulled from stealht by hurricane at any given time or just at the intervalls of the dmg. However, I was under the suspicion that someone who cloacks directly in the middle of it would put out of it instantly.

your suspicion is wrong, hurricane only breaks cloaks on damage ticks. This allows a smart NB to escape or set up a big burst or heal with cloak by having perfect timing. I often get accused of cheating for taking advantage of this with cripple and cloak inside a hurricane then moving out before the next tick. I think its one of the hardest things to pull off until you master it and its a great way to frustrate stam sorcs who are used to countering cloak so easily that they can't adapt quickly enough. It works much like popping a detect pot against a NB, either they'll instantly adapt or they'll likely melt down and start making big mistakes.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

Was a bit strange worded from me but I know that dots usually don't break cloak. I meant if they get pulled from stealht by hurricane at any given time or just at the intervalls of the dmg. However, I was under the suspicion that someone who cloacks directly in the middle of it would put out of it instantly.

The best way to think of it is like someone casting an AoE every 1 sec. If the AoE hits, the NB is popped, but can then cloak. If they get far enough away from you in that 1 sec to be outside your AoE range, then the next AoE won't hit. No hit, no pop.

If your out in the open, curse them and wait for the second explosion. Also, pay attention to which way they are facing when you pop them and go that direction. Against good NBs you still have a chance of popping them, especially if they underestimate you.

If they are clearly out of your aoe and you spot them uncloak and cloak, call it a loss. I regularly send entire zergs in the wrong direction by intentionally letting myself be seen, cloaking and then going in a different direction. When people are mad at you, it's amazing how much time they will waste looking for you. Because of the speed thing I mentioned, it's pointless to chase after a halfway decent NB you can't see, 99% chance your wasting time.

A while back someone linked me to an NB video of a console player that shows most of the same tactics I use. I wish I could link it, the thing is freaking hilarious, the guy narrates it with a fake french accent and does a sort of RP kind of spiel where he 'talks' to the enemy. "Oh, yes yes, my beauty, keep going, my dagger is not long enough for your 50k health."

Lol, I remember that! The thread was called "how a nightblade thinks" I believe, very entertaining and taught me a trick or two I still use to this day, especially that misdirection one.