How can some players go invisible no matter what the situation??

Kozato

I'm a nightblade that uses shadow cloak. following the mechanics, if someone catches me with magelight or piercing mark, I'm dead. But I have both of these skills equipped - And this is the thing. I've encountered people unphased by piercing mark and magelight. Even with one or BOTH affecting them, they can just vanish instantly. I've seen this twice, a nightblade and a sorc (He mustve used a potion). but I always thought there was no way to get hidden if a move (magelight) is designed to stop them doing exactly that. How are they doing that? In imperial city I sat back, used piercing mark, and watched the same guy gon back invisible. Most people I do this to are not affected however. It's just these two encounters. (I have their name).

The_Protagonist

Kozato wrote: »

I'm a nightblade that uses shadow cloak. following the mechanics, if someone catches me with magelight or piercing mark, I'm dead. But I have both of these skills equipped - And this is the thing. I've encountered people unphased by piercing mark and magelight. Even with one or BOTH affecting them, they can just vanish instantly. I've seen this twice, a nightblade and a sorc (He mustve used a potion). but I always thought there was no way to get hidden if a move (magelight) is designed to stop them doing exactly that. How are they doing that? In imperial city I sat back, used piercing mark, and watched the same guy gon back invisible. Most people I do this to are not affected however. It's just these two encounters. (I have their name).

There is an ability called Purge in the Alliance War Support skill line, which can allow them to purge 2 negative effects.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Is it possible that the nb just teleported out of your field of view using shadow image?

The_Protagonist

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Is it possible that the nb just teleported out of your field of view using shadow image?

That's also a possibility.

Gilvoth

i have seen players that i cast mark on still go invisible.
i do believe it is a cheat being used.
they are not suppose to be able to use invisibility with the morph i have, yet they still go invisible.
i have reported it ingame but i still see it happen.

Feanor

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have seen players that i cast mark on still go invisible.
i do believe it is a cheat being used.
they are not suppose to be able to use invisibility with the morph i have, yet they still go invisible.
i have reported it ingame but i still see it happen.

It's not a cheat. It's just dwemer technology. They have been pretty good with disappearing I heard.

NBrookus

Magelight has a tiny radius; Mark can be purged. So one option is:

Purge -> Shade -> Cloak

Gilvoth

NBrookus wrote: »

Magelight has a tiny radius; Mark can be purged. So one option is:

Purge -> Shade -> Cloak

i know for fact in my case it is none of those things you mention.

Sleep

they are thieves

Biro123

Did they re-appear?

I mean, Is it possible they were queued for another campaign - and ported to it? I honestly don't know what that looks like from someone else's perspective..

Kozato

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Kozato wrote: »

I'm a nightblade that uses shadow cloak. following the mechanics, if someone catches me with magelight or piercing mark, I'm dead. But I have both of these skills equipped - And this is the thing. I've encountered people unphased by piercing mark and magelight. Even with one or BOTH affecting them, they can just vanish instantly. I've seen this twice, a nightblade and a sorc (He mustve used a potion). but I always thought there was no way to get hidden if a move (magelight) is designed to stop them doing exactly that. How are they doing that? In imperial city I sat back, used piercing mark, and watched the same guy gon back invisible. Most people I do this to are not affected however. It's just these two encounters. (I have their name).

There is an ability called Purge in the Alliance War Support skill line, which can allow them to purge 2 negative effects.

That can't be it. The very second I used magelight/piercing mark (i experimented with them a lot) they would be able to vanish. for them to use that skill, they would have to wait for the cooldown; casting that skill, then going invisible. It was a good suggestion though, but I don't believe its the case here.

Biro123 wrote: »

Did they re-appear?

I mean, Is it possible they were queued for another campaign - and ported to it? I honestly don't know what that looks like from someone else's perspective..

Yes. After several seconds of hiding, they'd show themselves again thinking they are safe. To which I would use ambush and cast magelight on them point blank, and watch them vanish instantly again. This repeated a bit, although my testing was abruptly stopped by another player

Verbal_Earthworm

does seem cheaty.

Also, i see a lot of players under level 10 just walking (not even sneaking) up to safeboxes and opening them in 2-3 seconds without any npc or guard saying a thing or reacting...

some kind of cheat engine is at work.

R4TTIUS

Stick up a video or SS of what you mean please, would help alot. as somekne else mentioned I will imagine it to be shadow image as you can just hit the button and teleport quite a distance away and that would seem as though the person has gone invisible.

Also what is this on Xbox ps4 or PC as that also makes a difference as cheating on console is very very hard what people see as cheating is generally an exploit found within the game.

Wreuntzylla

There have been a couple of players that after I mark them, they go into stealth, and then reappear with the mark still on them. I suppose it's a UI bug and they purged, but both the columnar graphic and the debuff (shown by an addon using the API) remain.

There are a bunch of things wrong with cloak and crouch at the moment.

Some dots will bring you out of stealth (which should never happen), but oddly not put you in combat, so you cycle in out of stealth every second until it runs its course. The warden dot is one of them. Besides allowing people to spot you, the cycling is just annoying as all get out.

Also, ZoS made an effort to kill stealth rezzing but that's back again.

Chilly-McFreeze

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

altemriel

seems cheaty yes

Wreuntzylla

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

clocksstoppe

LOL at people calling cheats.

Have a nice cup of GIT GUD

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Wyrd+Tree's+Blessing+Set

AAbrigo

clocksstoppe wrote: »

LOL at people calling cheats.

Have a nice cup of GIT GUD

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Wyrd+Tree's+Blessing+Set

That on stamblade could be awesome

NBrookus

AAbrigo wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

LOL at people calling cheats.

Have a nice cup of GIT GUD

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Wyrd+Tree's+Blessing+Set

That on stamblade could be awesome

A stamblade would give up a lot of stamina or weapon crit/damage to wear it. Would be more beneficial to run trifood to have extra magicka for purging.

If you are going to run a non-templar non-warden heavy armor magicka build, then it's got potential, but for everyone else it's kinda underwhelming compared to the competition.

Chilly-McFreeze

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

Was a bit strange worded from me but I know that dots usually don't break cloak. I meant if they get pulled from stealht by hurricane at any given time or just at the intervalls of the dmg. However, I was under the suspicion that someone who cloacks directly in the middle of it would put out of it instantly.

Animus-ESO

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

Was a bit strange worded from me but I know that dots usually don't break cloak. I meant if they get pulled from stealht by hurricane at any given time or just at the intervalls of the dmg. However, I was under the suspicion that someone who cloacks directly in the middle of it would put out of it instantly.

Hurricane damages people every 2 seconds. That is more then enough time to cloak out of someones hurricane if you time it right after the dot hits you.

AAbrigo

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Interesting. Had it happen lately that some NB just cloaks in the middle of my hurricane. Does the move just break stealth on dot dmg or should it prevent it also? Read that it should uncloak hurricanes when it hits them. however, they can't be portet to shade bc I had some team members waiting at it.

Also experienced stealth rezzing and keep jumping a lot lately. Annoying To say the least.

DoTs put on the NB should not tick while they are cloaked. Hurricane is not a traditional dot but more of an AoE that ticks at regular intervals, same as the mag version and destro ulti. All three should bring someone out of stealth and do pop me every time.

What you might not know is that there are ways to achieve good to incredible speeds while stealthed.

I run a stamblade but have the mag version of the NB anytime that increases stealth speed and run vampire for the full speed in stealth trait. This means I move quite a bit faster in stealth than I do outside of stealth (non-sprint). If the outside edge of hurricane hits me and I can get out of the radius before the next tick, I can usually recloak instantly. Another useful tactic is to reverse course through the sorc in that time period. Once you are behind the sorc, if they don't know to keep an eye to the rear, even though I am pulled from cloak again, I can get away.

The extreme is a combination of gear that I think makes someone in stealth faster than any other combination in the game. While interesting, they are fairly useless for PvP and more of a gimmick.

Was a bit strange worded from me but I know that dots usually don't break cloak. I meant if they get pulled from stealht by hurricane at any given time or just at the intervalls of the dmg. However, I was under the suspicion that someone who cloacks directly in the middle of it would put out of it instantly.

Hurricane damages people every 2 seconds. That is more then enough time to cloak out of someones hurricane if you time it right after the dot hits you.

Every 1 second.

AAbrigo

NBrookus wrote: »

AAbrigo wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

LOL at people calling cheats.

Have a nice cup of GIT GUD

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Wyrd+Tree's+Blessing+Set

That on stamblade could be awesome

A stamblade would give up a lot of stamina or weapon crit/damage to wear it. Would be more beneficial to run trifood to have extra magicka for purging.

If you are going to run a non-templar non-warden heavy armor magicka build, then it's got potential, but for everyone else it's kinda underwhelming compared to the competition.

Well it wouldnt be optimal, but could work for specific builds.

Rainraven

You could ask them. Many PVPers like to talk theorycraft, particularly with players of the same class.

People who stick with nightblade tend to be clever about game mechanics. It's likely that what you're seeing is a combination of gear, abilities, and timing, and the person who could explain it to you best is the person who does the vanishing.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Rainraven wrote: »

You could ask them. Many PVPers like to talk theorycraft, particularly with players of the same class.

People who stick with nightblade tend to be clever about game mechanics. It's likely that what you're seeing is a combination of gear, abilities, and timing, and the person who could explain it to you best is the person who does the vanishing.

Yup, and this one is a PRO at getting away (atleast most of the time), and yes this one does slot Efficient Purge on my back bar of abilities so I can clear off Dot's and Piercing mark if needed, this Khajiit also makes sure he uses Tri-food for approx. 14k+ magicka, so this one can use Cloak and other Magicka abilities as much as possible. Khajiit also uses other things that I won't cover here because a Nightblade has to have his secrets, and no it's not a exploit or cheat in the game.

This one only shares with trusted (as in proven to be trustworthy) AD Nightblades with his sneaky secrets..

Kozato

clocksstoppe wrote: »

LOL at people calling cheats.

Have a nice cup of GIT GUD

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Wyrd+Tree's+Blessing+Set

So they both just happen to have that set; and it even if thats the case, its procced in intervals under 15 seconds. try and stay on the train of thought a bit longer.

Runschei

I main two nightblades and I see the same thing quite damn often. I know it's not shade because I can assure you, I know what the nb skills look like.

Biro123

There's a CP that stealths you.. but I think you have to land a kill or something to trigger it.. so doesn't sound like that..

Kozato

Biro123 wrote: »

There's a CP that stealths you.. but I think you have to land a kill or something to trigger it.. so doesn't sound like that..

I often take part in non CP anyways, including the time this stuff happened.

I hate using cheating as an answer as well. I want to find a genuine reason because I don't like to think of it as foul play. If anyone has a suggestion to this happening (As i'm not the only one here who is curious) do tell.

Rohamad_Ali

I know what are you are talking about and there are few things I've considered as I only see it on PC , never on console . I'm not sure if it's an actual cheat or more of a bug . Too many sets that mess with detection radius out there and it would require more testing then I'm able to put in . Just write a ticket up and see if a Dev can figure it out .