Please don't add transmutation crystals to crown store

Turelus · September 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that we aren't planning to sell Transmutation Crystals in the Crown Store.

We'll be selling Mystic Alteration Stones instead.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that we aren't planning to sell Transmutation Crystals in the Crown Store.

We know plans change

STEVIL · September 2017

Sylosi wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I always thought p2w was defined as something you had to pay for and was better then anything else in the game.

STEVIL wrote: »

P2W is getting something out of game thru cash that you cannot get in game and that is better than what you can get in game.

That is one type of pay to win, but you also have the other type that has been common in real P2W games for a long time where "technically" you can get something in game but it requires such a level of grind that time wise is simply impossible for most players (let alone requiring a questionable level of sanity) which is then combined with a level of power difference to make it basically a requirement.

Now obviously that does not apply in this case, but just because something is "technically" possible to get in game does not stop it from being P2W.

But in this case, it is not even a significant drop in run-time.

you still need all the grind time to get the items you want to trans.

running those will also get you crystals.

you need 40 crystals to get to trans, if the numbers hold.

Depending on what the numbers for drops turns out to be the difference between grind for item (any trait) and grind for shards might not be that much difference.

But, as long as P2W is redefined as "get what is already in the game and maybe a little quicker" then it becomes a very "eye of the beholder" type definition prone to all scales of subjective assignment.

Which we see with practically every item of any consequence ever added to the crown store.

So, basically, if you dont like crown stores, just make up your own scale for P2W and yell at will.

That is ***literally** "undefinition", not "definition."

pun intended.

But noted that now p2W is undefined subjective personal flavor thingy.

thanks for the help.

Now i can totally ignore it as a concern.

Arreyanne · September 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

if you have ever played a truly p2w game, you would realize that putting the crystals in store would not be p2w.

changing the trait on an item does make you that much more powerful and it can be done for free in game if you dont use crowns

Over time I think p2w has come to mean anything that the person using the term disagrees with. It really isn't a term anyone thinks about the meaning and what goes with it. It is just a knee jerk, oh I don't think they should that! It is Pay to Win!

The most factual statement in this thread. If you've ever played a game where to advance in power YOU HAD TO BUY THE ITEMS FROM THE CASH STORE]. Then you would truly understand pay to win

Sevn · September 2017

Edit-nvm

CromulentForumID · September 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

if you have ever played a truly p2w game, you would realize that putting the crystals in store would not be p2w.

changing the trait on an item does make you that much more powerful and it can be done for free in game if you dont use crowns

Over time I think p2w has come to mean anything that the person using the term disagrees with. It really isn't a term anyone thinks about the meaning and what goes with it. It is just a knee jerk, oh I don't think they should that! It is Pay to Win!

What you just said is fake news!

Sylosi · September 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Sylosi wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I always thought p2w was defined as something you had to pay for and was better then anything else in the game.

STEVIL wrote: »

P2W is getting something out of game thru cash that you cannot get in game and that is better than what you can get in game.

That is one type of pay to win, but you also have the other type that has been common in real P2W games for a long time where "technically" you can get something in game but it requires such a level of grind that time wise is simply impossible for most players (let alone requiring a questionable level of sanity) which is then combined with a level of power difference to make it basically a requirement.

Now obviously that does not apply in this case, but just because something is "technically" possible to get in game does not stop it from being P2W.

But in this case, it is not even a significant drop in run-time.

you still need all the grind time to get the items you want to trans.

running those will also get you crystals.

you need 40 crystals to get to trans, if the numbers hold.

Which is why I used the pharse "Now obviously that does not apply in this case"....

STEVIL wrote: »

But, as long as P2W is redefined as "get what is already in the game and maybe a little quicker" ...

Which is not how I defined it, I mean the clue should have been that I stated it was time wise impossible for most players, that is not simply "a little quicker", which basically means there are two ways to acquire the top gear fast enough in these P2W games, you either put up the cash or you are a player that plays the game pretty much every day as your "job".

STEVIL wrote: »

So, basically, if you dont like crown stores, just make up your own scale for P2W and yell at will.

That is ***literally** "undefinition", not "definition."

pun intended.

But noted that now p2W is undefined subjective personal flavor thingy.

thanks for the help.

Now i can totally ignore it as a concern.

Not really, what I stated is how P2W works in many games, if that is too subtle for you to understand then well, that is your problem.

parkham · September 2017

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Banana · September 2017

My wallets ready

Integral1900 · September 2017

But why can't they be sold in guild stores...

Oh wait... now I get it... outside of vet pledges these blasted things are gonna have like some 3% drop rate aren't they...

We've just swapped one grind for another................

jlboozer · September 2017

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

Rohamad_Ali · September 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that we aren't planning to sell Transmutation Crystals in the Crown Store.

Is this a definitive , ZoS will never sell transmutation stones in the crown store or ZoS is just not planning at this time answer ?

parkham · September 2017

jlboozer wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

How is it pay to win if you can also get it in game? How?

Rohamad_Ali · September 2017

parkham wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

How is it pay to win if you can also get it in game? How?

Paying cash to avoid doing content in game is the base definition of P2W . Especially when that item gives an advantage .

Illurian · September 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

How is it pay to win if you can also get it in game? How?

Paying cash to avoid doing content in game is the base definition of P2W . Especially when that item gives an advantage .

Again... The actual definition of pay to win is paying real life currency for an extra combative edge that you would not otherwise get. E.g. Having the new Abyss weapons only available on the crown store.

Are crown exp scrolls p2w? Are research time reducers? What about crown potions?

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's pay to win.

notimetocare · September 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

Title, that would be the exact definition of p2w. Please don't ruin the game like that, thanks!

No it would not, not at all.

P2W is getting something out of game thru cash that you cannot get in game and that is better than what you can get in game.

This is just giving you a faster way to get what you can get in game. That is the exact definition of P4C - pay for convenience.

Consider that you **CAN** buy ways to reduce dramatically the research rate for traits in the crown store now with last i checked no-cooldown scrolls. You can turn sharpen research into a no-time thing, more or less, to acquire, if you fork over the cash.

To transmute you need the crystals and you need the trait known so... it is lacking any logic to assume one of those is fine but the other is P2W if put in the store.

i won't say it is inevitable for crown crystals to appear but i would find it very likely, though not necessarily immediately.

But they are not P2W.

P2w is power for cash at Or above Max in-game power. Just because it can be gained in-game, doesn't mean a cash version isn't p2w

Integral1900 · September 2017

Go on, stick em in the store, this subscriber has a boatload of crowns to burn

Rohamad_Ali · September 2017

Illurian wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

How is it pay to win if you can also get it in game? How?

Paying cash to avoid doing content in game is the base definition of P2W . Especially when that item gives an advantage .

Again... The actual definition of pay to win is paying real life currency for an extra combative edge that you would not otherwise get. E.g. Having the new Abyss weapons only available on the crown store.

Are crown exp scrolls p2w? Are research time reducers? What about crown potions?

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's pay to win.

Pfff LOL . Ok .

Rohamad_Ali · September 2017

We pretty much settled what pay to win is on Reddit back in Oct 2015 . No need to rehash an old debate .

"You paid money for an advantage. That's it, you paid to win. Nothing else defines the term. Nothing there says anything about the ability or inability of to earn said items whether through time, effort, skill, or any combination." - Reddit Oct 26, 2015

The question here is how much p2w do we want in ESO in the future ?

Faunter · September 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that we aren't planning to sell Transmutation Crystals in the Crown Store.

Just like you weren't planning on selling loot boxes?
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2t6g9i/

MisterBigglesworth · September 2017

If buying something with $$$ saves you 24 hours of grinding per day it's not P2W.

If buying something with $$$ saves you 24 hours and 1 minute of grinding per day then it is P2W.

The difference being that one of these is literally impossible. The other is not.

Is this the extremely narrow definition of P2W people are using in order to play devil's advocate?

The fact of the matter is: P2W isn't simply a binary on/off switch. P2W is a spectrum.

Vaoh · September 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that we aren't planning to sell Transmutation Crystals in the Crown Store.

TY

Minyassa · September 2017

But I like P2W. That just means that if I had some extra play money, I could do something nice for myself in a video game I enjoy. It doesn't take away from anyone else. I wouldn't have been taking crystals out of someone else's inventory, they would have made new ones just for me. And I don't compete with others, so I wouldn't be gaining any sort of advantage over someone else whatsoever. I guess in my case that makes it not "P2W" but "Pay to skip boring-ass grinding to get better at PvE." If ZOS ever changes their minds on this I will totally forgive them.

Vanthras79 · September 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that we aren't planning to sell Transmutation Crystals in the Crown Store.

Gina you are my hero.

Eatmyface · September 2017

DID ANYONE ELSE read about five comments down then clock out?

Who actually cares about the literal definition of P2W.

My vote is to not add them to the store. I have my reasons but I'm not going to force them down anybody's throat.

TelvanniWizard · September 2017

They´re not comming to the crown store. They will appear as an ultra apex reward in scam crates, not tradeable for gems.

TheTwistedRune · September 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

How is it pay to win if you can also get it in game? How?

Paying cash to avoid doing content in game is the base definition of P2W . Especially when that item gives an advantage .

Again... The actual definition of pay to win is paying real life currency for an extra combative edge that you would not otherwise get. E.g. Having the new Abyss weapons only available on the crown store.

Are crown exp scrolls p2w? Are research time reducers? What about crown potions?

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's pay to win.

Pfff LOL . Ok .

What a compelling argument.

Why not just accept that some people's opinions differ to yours, and are just a valid.

Surak73 · September 2017

parkham wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

How is it pay to win if you can also get it in game? How?

So, they could sell in the crown store even maelstrom/master/asylum weapons, monster sets, gold jewels and all the like, since you can get all of these things in the game, right? And this wouldn't be P2W, right?

parkham · September 2017

Then ev

Surak73 wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

How is it pay to win if you can also get it in game? How?

So, they could sell in the crown store even maelstrom/master/asylum weapons, monster sets, gold jewels and all the like, since you can get all of these things in the game, right? And this wouldn't be P2W, right?

Sure, why not, even though they won't. Some people can't and won't commit 100's of hours to grinding in a game. If there's an option to bypass the grind and just play the game, why is that a problem? Why do you care?

I bet you that a lot of players (I'm thinking PVP oriented) would be completely fine with that for sure.

jlboozer · September 2017

parkham wrote: »

Then ev

Surak73 wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

parkham wrote: »

I don't know.. I'm just wondering why the OP cares what anyone else does. So what if they are offered in the Crown Store - why do you care - don't buy it.

Its p2w...that's why

How is it pay to win if you can also get it in game? How?

So, they could sell in the crown store even maelstrom/master/asylum weapons, monster sets, gold jewels and all the like, since you can get all of these things in the game, right? And this wouldn't be P2W, right?

Sure, why not, even though they won't. Some people can't and won't commit 100's of hours to grinding in a game. If there's an option to bypass the grind and just play the game, why is that a problem? Why do you care?

I bet you that a lot of players (I'm thinking PVP oriented) would be completely fine with that for sure.

Grinding for weapons is playing the game. That's exactly what brings people back is searching for new gear. Do you really want to buy weapons? If so then why are you even playing this game? The fun is the satisfaction you get from earning that new piece of gear through skill not your wallet.....