Option to remove vampire OR make disguises visible on the character selection screen

manavortex

Removing vampire would give you an advantage in PvP, because then people won't know that you're a vampire and have the advantages of it.

I'm already hiding it with a disguise because I don't want to look like a ***. Means I get the advantage.

Well, ZOS just should fix the bug with disguises which hide your vampirism. Then there will be no way to hide vampirism as intended. And there will be no desire to demand more of these opportunities.

Not gonna happen. I will stay right here, demanding this.

ThePrinceOfBargains

I'm fine with something to hide the skin OR eyes. Not both. There needs to be some kind of tell. Otherwise, it's just bunch of people getting their free stat boosts. That's the only reason most even want this, which is why it shouldn't happen.

Olupajmibanan

Vapirko wrote: »

Pale skin and red eyes is the price you pay for the power of the damned. If you can't pay the price then return to the realm of mortals.

I agree, however it's completely counterintuitive what happens to Redguards when you turn them into a vampire. If you search on google for black or black-skinned vampires, you'll find tons of them (for example Blade).

Not claiming this myself, but someone can even say that there is some racism behind this. Zos gave vampires good passives to increase their popularity and reduce number of black-skinned characters.

Niobium

TheMaster wrote: »

I'm fine with something to hide the skin OR eyes. Not both. There needs to be some kind of tell. Otherwise, it's just bunch of people getting their free stat boosts. That's the only reason most even want this, which is why it shouldn't happen.

I wear a robe with a hood - my skin and eyes are already hidden. There is no tell. No one can see me. No one knows the person running past is a vampire. So why is this not a problem? I am still baffled why someone cares about what colour my skin is under my robe. How does that affect anyone but me? The NPC's don't even care.

And, (RP'ers aside), of course it's about stat boosts. Every. Single. Thing. In this game is about boosting your character. Why did you pick your race? Why did you pick your class? Why did you go those weapons? Why did you choose those passives? Why are you wearing that gear set?

Chrlynsch

Can I get the ability to hide my werewolf transformation? Would double my survivability in PVP.

Abeille

To all the people who are, again, claiming it would give an advantage on PvP, this argument (like all the others presented so far against it in this thread) was already shown to not hold any water a few times: You can already hide your vampirism in PvP. All you need is a closed helm, if you are not Khajiit or Argonian, or a polymorph.

Other than the lore argument, which is completely wrong, the PvP advantage one is the most easily countered.

I would ask "anything else?", but I know you guys are just not going to read it, since you didn't read it the first few times your arguments were countered.

Edit: Wait, this one is also based on a wrong premise, like the lore one, and was already countered a few times but I'll do it again:

TheMaster wrote: »

I'm fine with something to hide the skin OR eyes. Not both. There needs to be some kind of tell. Otherwise, it's just bunch of people getting their free stat boosts. That's the only reason most even want this, which is why it shouldn't happen.

I don't know if you are aware, but vampires have gameplay weaknesses too in the game, those being weakness to fire, which is the most common kind of magic you encounter in the game, and slower health regeneration. It wouldn't be just a "free stat boost" if their appearance was hidden.

Mureel

Subversus wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Just wear a full-face mask hat and hide that ugly face. Problem solved

I spend 1 and a half hours in the character creation screen to wear a full-face mask? No thanks.

I guess if my backside looked bad I'd worry more since that's mostly all I ever see running around, and it's looking fabulous!

KramUzibra

idk wrote: »

Disguises are in a different section of the database and are intended to be used to blend into a certain group of NPCs. Some of them completely change a characters appearance.

It is for the same reason crown hair styles do not show with a disguise that it also hides vamp.

Yet disguises can be altered with the hide helm option.

KramUzibra

TheMaster wrote: »

I'm fine with something to hide the skin OR eyes. Not both. There needs to be some kind of tell. Otherwise, it's just bunch of people getting their free stat boosts. That's the only reason most even want this, which is why it shouldn't happen.

Theres armor that hides your entire body, no way to tell they are a vampire.. sane with certain skins and all polymophes.

Runschei

Blanco wrote: »

Removing vampire would give you an advantage in PvP, because then people won't know that you're a vampire and have the advantages of it.

I don't see why that would be an advantage. Do you really have to know if your opponent is a vampire or not? And why? Do people actually swap skills if they are facing a vampire? But for those kind of creeps we do have bufftrackers on all platforms.

Betsararie

Runschei wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Removing vampire would give you an advantage in PvP, because then people won't know that you're a vampire and have the advantages of it.

I don't see why that would be an advantage. Do you really have to know if your opponent is a vampire or not? And why? Do people actually swap skills if they are facing a vampire? But for those kind of creeps we do have bufftrackers on all platforms.

It will give you an advantage because it lets you know their regen is going to be higher and they are going to be weaker to fire. it also lets you know they will have the undeath passive which isn't as significant, but still a factor.

It is letting you know something about them that you wouldn't otherwise know.

When you play at a high level, every little bit counts.

Just like how if I see you have blood spawn or skoria, you just told me what to look out for.

Aliyavana

Blanco wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Removing vampire would give you an advantage in PvP, because then people won't know that you're a vampire and have the advantages of it.

I don't see why that would be an advantage. Do you really have to know if your opponent is a vampire or not? And why? Do people actually swap skills if they are facing a vampire? But for those kind of creeps we do have bufftrackers on all platforms.

It will give you an advantage because it lets you know their regen is going to be higher and they are going to be weaker to fire. it also lets you know they will have the undeath passive which isn't as significant, but still a factor.

It is letting you know something about them that you wouldn't otherwise know.

When you play at a high level, every little bit counts.

Just like how if I see you have blood spawn or skoria, you just told me what to look out for.

Does console not have buff trackers that tell you if they have vamparism?

Betsararie

aliyavana wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Removing vampire would give you an advantage in PvP, because then people won't know that you're a vampire and have the advantages of it.

I don't see why that would be an advantage. Do you really have to know if your opponent is a vampire or not? And why? Do people actually swap skills if they are facing a vampire? But for those kind of creeps we do have bufftrackers on all platforms.

It will give you an advantage because it lets you know their regen is going to be higher and they are going to be weaker to fire. it also lets you know they will have the undeath passive which isn't as significant, but still a factor.

It is letting you know something about them that you wouldn't otherwise know.

When you play at a high level, every little bit counts.

Just like how if I see you have blood spawn or skoria, you just told me what to look out for.

Does console not have buff trackers that tell you if they have vamparism?

I don't know, I don't know anything about console really

Here on PC we have numerous buff trackers I am using a couple and prefer them over the in game buff fracker which I view as inferior.

Is it not true that the in game buff tracker only shows your own buffs? I am almost positive that that is true

Mystrius_Archaion

Runschei wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Pale skin and red eyes is the price you pay for the power of the damned. If you can't pay the price then return to the realm of mortals.

Being what some see as ugly is not one of the downsides of choosing to become a vampire. More vulnerability towards fire and lower health regenration is.

Here everybody wants to be the "Sexy vampire" a la "Interview With The Vampire".
Vampires are monsters. I'm happy with the scary appearance they have to choose.

How about this...use your armor and helmet. Then you can't see any of the hideousness.
Although, the Rivenspire Count Ravenwatch was able to hide his affliction from us players in that quest line. Consistency sucks.

Runschei

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Pale skin and red eyes is the price you pay for the power of the damned. If you can't pay the price then return to the realm of mortals.

Being what some see as ugly is not one of the downsides of choosing to become a vampire. More vulnerability towards fire and lower health regenration is.

Here everybody wants to be the "Sexy vampire" a la "Interview With The Vampire".
Vampires are monsters. I'm happy with the scary appearance they have to choose.

How about this...use your armor and helmet. Then you can't see any of the hideousness.
Although, the Rivenspire Count Ravenwatch was able to hide his affliction from us players in that quest line. Consistency sucks.

Wearing a helmet / skin / disguise is simply avoiding the issue

Runschei

Blanco wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Removing vampire would give you an advantage in PvP, because then people won't know that you're a vampire and have the advantages of it.

I don't see why that would be an advantage. Do you really have to know if your opponent is a vampire or not? And why? Do people actually swap skills if they are facing a vampire? But for those kind of creeps we do have bufftrackers on all platforms.

It will give you an advantage because it lets you know their regen is going to be higher and they are going to be weaker to fire. it also lets you know they will have the undeath passive which isn't as significant, but still a factor.

It is letting you know something about them that you wouldn't otherwise know.

When you play at a high level, every little bit counts.

Just like how if I see you have blood spawn or skoria, you just told me what to look out for.

For creeps like you we have bufftrackers. You still see I am a vampire, even when my appearance is hidden.

Subversus

TheMaster wrote: »

I'm fine with something to hide the skin OR eyes. Not both. There needs to be some kind of tell. Otherwise, it's just bunch of people getting their free stat boosts. That's the only reason most even want this, which is why it shouldn't happen.

What? You get the extra fire damage and health recovery debuff. Going as a vampire against a magdk (or any other skoria user for that matter) even in stage 3 with undeath is a death sentence. The pressure is insane simply because of the fire damage. It may not be noticeable when you hit a scripted statue with a healer spamming springs behind you, but trust me, the downsides are there

manavortex

Basically, the feature is already implemented.
I can completely cover up my vampirism, in PVP and PVE both. Was/is sold in the Crown Store.







I believe that countermands the argument of this request violating the lore or bringing any unfair advantage or whatsnot.

Now I just want to look like a vanilla human and not like a reactor accident or male genitalia. Thank you for your consideration.

Runschei

manavortex wrote: »

Basically, the feature is already implemented.
I can completely cover up my vampirism, in PVP and PVE both. Was/is sold in the Crown Store.







I believe that countermands the argument of this request violating the lore or bringing any unfair advantage or whatsnot.

Now I just want to look like a vanilla human and not like a reactor accident or male genitalia. Thank you for your consideration.

Yo, it is not against lore!

ThePrinceOfBargains

Niobium wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

I'm fine with something to hide the skin OR eyes. Not both. There needs to be some kind of tell. Otherwise, it's just bunch of people getting their free stat boosts. That's the only reason most even want this, which is why it shouldn't happen.

I wear a robe with a hood - my skin and eyes are already hidden. There is no tell. No one can see me. No one knows the person running past is a vampire. So why is this not a problem? I am still baffled why someone cares about what colour my skin is under my robe. How does that affect anyone but me? The NPC's don't even care.

And, (RP'ers aside), of course it's about stat boosts. Every. Single. Thing. In this game is about boosting your character. Why did you pick your race? Why did you pick your class? Why did you go those weapons? Why did you choose those passives? Why are you wearing that gear set?

The point is that there's no validity in the argument of being a vampire if you don't want to actually be one. As in, exhibit at least partial features of a vampire. Why did I pick my race? Because I wanted to look like and be a part of that race. Why did I pick my class? Because the description interested me in accordance to the character I wanted to play. Weapons, passives, and gear are features specifically and solely for boosting stats. Vampirism is not. I'm not even a roleplayer, but I still don't want to see vampirism further descend into this method of reaching "meta" status. That defeats the concept. As it is, many players already see it as a necessity. Otherwise, this topic wouldn't even exist. If it were up to me, I'd completely remove this infamous resource recovery from vampirism. But even if it never is, I stand by what I said. Not every method of gaining power can be perfectly ideal.

manavortex

TheMaster wrote: »

The point is that there's no validity in the argument of being a vampire if you don't want to actually be one. As in, exhibit at least partial features of a vampire.

I disagree with that. The reason why my character is a vampire is not that I dig the gothic charm and the sinister attitude. The reason is the extra regen, and nothing else.

TheMaster wrote: »

Weapons, passives, and gear are features specifically and solely for boosting stats. Vampirism is not.

It is, see the Supernatural Recovery passive. I do not have that passive available without being a vampire.
I have been speaking out against monster sets and dropsets not being customizable time and time again because they force us to wear specific gear and deprive us of options for character customization. At least with costumes, those can be overridden - but that's a different peculiarity of topic, as are the candy crane weapons.

TheMaster wrote: »

I'm not even a roleplayer, but I still don't want to see vampirism further descend into this method of reaching "meta" status. That defeats the concept. As it is, many players already see it as a necessity. Otherwise, this topic wouldn't even exist. If it were up to me, I'd completely remove this infamous resource recovery from vampirism. But even if it never is, I stand by what I said. Not every method of gaining power can be perfectly ideal.

As I said. Give me the option to hide it, or nerf it down so that I don't have to use it anymore.

ThePrinceOfBargains

manavortex wrote: »

I disagree with that. The reason why my character is a vampire is not that I dig the gothic charm and the sinister attitude. The reason is the extra regen, and nothing else.

Why you personally chose to be a vampire doesn't negate what I said. The feature was not included just for players to get stat boosts

manavortex wrote: »

It is, see the Supernatural Recovery passive. I do not have that passive available without being a vampire.
I have been speaking out against monster sets and dropsets not being customizable time and time again because they force us to wear specific gear and deprive us of options for character customization. At least with costumes, those can be overridden - but that's a different peculiarity of topic, as are the candy crane weapons.

What part of the words "specifically" and "solely" did you not understand? Vampirism was not included in the game for you to get stat boosts. Period. It was included for people that actually want to play vampire characters. The benefits and detriments come with being a vampire. It was not ZOS saying "Hey look, guys! This is for boosting your stats."

manavortex wrote: »

As I said. Give me the option to hide it, or nerf it down so that I don't have to use it anymore.

Someone holding a gun to your head?

manavortex

TheMaster wrote: »

doesn't negate what I said. The feature was not included just for players to get stat boosts

And that was true back in the day when ESO first came out (Merethic Era, we didn't have anything). Also, each vampire state had a timer of 30 minutes, which was highly annoying for vampires in RP.

TheMaster wrote: »

What part of the words "specifically" and "solely" did you not understand? Vampirism was not included in the game for you to get stat boosts. Period. It was included for people that actually want to play vampire characters.

While that might originally have been the case, a high percentage of players runs vampirism solely for the stat boosts these days. Just compare the vampire-per-population-density with that of any Elder Scrolls Offline. I find it somewhat anti-immersive to walk through Mournhold only to find myself surrounded by 20% vanilla mortals, 60% flashy somethings from various Oblivion planes and 20% vampires on stage 3.

TheMaster wrote: »

The benefits and detriments come with being a vampire.

This is beside the point. In a world with illusion magic and Count Verandis Ravenwatch, being ugly is not a side effect of vampirism.

TheMaster wrote: »

Someone holding a gun to your head?

I'm doing this for PVP, so... I find various armaments aimed at my poor character, yeah.

Ragnaroek93

I agree that vampirism should have an option to hide but maybe we can also nerf undead because it's the most overpowered passive in the game (PvP view).

Rickter

@Vapirko 's first response has always echoed my own stance on the subject. With that being said, we need to be able to hide tabards but still have them equipped.

Subversus

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I agree that vampirism should have an option to hide but maybe we can also nerf undead because it's the most overpowered passive in the game (PvP view).

Yep, undeath is the only reason I have to use this ugly ass disease