Should Miat's (attack alert) be allowed?

Thogard

No

I don't think it should be allowed. But my thoughts are irrelevant compared to the dev's, who DO think it should be allowed.

Furthermore, as another poster mentioned, this addon used to be far more effective. Because of this addon, ZOS had to CHANGE what information it makes available to the game client to prevent people from having information that they shouldn't.

If this addon hadn't been public and widely used, ZOS might never have made those changes and a select few still might have too much info and be considered actual cheaters.

PlagueSD

Other (explain)

I chose other because if ZOS really wants to remove it, they can just update the API.

All the addon does is display a message when "IsUnitInCombat" returns "isincombat".

Olupajmibanan

Yes

Allow it. StamNB gets nerfed patch after patch. This way, one-shotting NBs would finally disappear and Miats addon would suffer a huge popularity drop anyways.

D0PAMINE

No

I think it negates a legitimate stealth combat style. Maybe another campaign without addons like this should be warrented so everyone is happy. There should be a tool that alerts when someone is using the add on as well.

WaltherCarraway

Other (explain)

Dev said it's ok.

Then it's ok.

Again, he could have made them proprietary. Whatelse you guys want?

Saturn

No

I have a strange sense of deja vu... didn't ZOS ban his stinking addon? Or did they just limit it? I guess this is why people are still able to reliably dodge incoming attacks that they normally wouldn't see coming.

Phreeki

Hempyre wrote: »

This Poll is inaccurate.

Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.

This all day.

Nemeliom

No

Hempyre wrote: »

This Poll is inaccurate.

Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.

So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."

Publius_Scipio

No

Miat! The simple fact that he is told when to dodge a range attack is bull[snip]. It is essentially taking range attacks away from someone's toolkit when fighting him.

I know ZOS is aware of it for some time now. I won't comment on what ZOS should or shouldn't do because I am not privy to any internal discussions.

But you and I will settle the score one day Miat, nightbalde to nightblade. And then I am coming for your Uber driver and wrecking blow spammer personal assistant, Enzo and Executi Boy respectively.

Maikon

Yes

It doesn't matter if it's allowed, because there's at least 4 other add-ons that do the same exact thing as miats. You will never get rid of them all, get over it.

Nemeliom

No

Maikon wrote: »

It doesn't matter if it's allowed, because there's 4 other add-ons that do the same exact thing as miats. You will never get rid of them all, get over it.

I'm saying Miat because it's the most renowned addon for this.
The addons take information from the server. So if the servers remove this info, not one of this addons will work.

Publius_Scipio

No

Maikon wrote: »

It doesn't matter if it's allowed, because there's 4 other add-ons that do the same exact thing as miats. You will never get rid of them all, get over it.

Paul Sage fought the good fight! He lost (unfortunately) but he foresaw what would come.

Maikon

Yes

Nemeliom wrote: »

Maikon wrote: »

It doesn't matter if it's allowed, because there's 4 other add-ons that do the same exact thing as miats. You will never get rid of them all, get over it.

I'm saying Miat because it's the most renowned addon for this.
The addons take information from the server. So if the servers remove this info, not one of this addons will work.

No, you're saying miat because he's the only 1 who made his public, all the others are private.

Nemeliom

No

Maikon wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Maikon wrote: »

It doesn't matter if it's allowed, because there's 4 other add-ons that do the same exact thing as miats. You will never get rid of them all, get over it.

I'm saying Miat because it's the most renowned addon for this.
The addons take information from the server. So if the servers remove this info, not one of this addons will work.

No, you're saying miat because he's the only 1 who made his public, all the others are private.

Whether it's 1 or 200, they all take the information from the same place. Remove it and all of them will run out of alerts.
I said Miat because it's the only one I know. Since you said there were others, I took your word and said it's the most known. Still irrelevant.

Maikon

Yes

Nemeliom wrote: »

Maikon wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Maikon wrote: »

It doesn't matter if it's allowed, because there's 4 other add-ons that do the same exact thing as miats. You will never get rid of them all, get over it.

I'm saying Miat because it's the most renowned addon for this.
The addons take information from the server. So if the servers remove this info, not one of this addons will work.

No, you're saying miat because he's the only 1 who made his public, all the others are private.

Whether it's 1 or 200, they all take the information from the same place. Remove it and all of them will run out of alerts.
I said Miat because it's the only one I know. Since you said there were others, I took your word and said it's the most known. Still irrelevant.

You can't just "remove" the info provided by the servers, because if you completely shut down miats, you would also shut down other add-ons that use that info, as well as certain game mechanics.

TheDoomsdayMonster

No

Biro123 wrote: »

I think the vast majority of PC PVPers now use this - so its kind of an even playing field.

BUT that it isn't on console causes imbalances in that console players think stuff like frags is too strong, PC players don't - cos its so easily dodgeable.. So we have an imbalance.

Now since Zos HAVE already looked at this addon and decided that they still want to allow this stuff - I think that they have been balancing abilities from a PVP perspective around the fact that this does exist - which kind of makes me think that it should be allowed, and should also be rolled out to console. (in fact, didn't Zos start adding some of the functionality as core?)

The day that an add-on that allows opponents to know when to dodge my attacks appears on console is the day that I quit ESO forever...

No if's, and's, or but's about it...


Leave this BS on PC; PC players are used to cheaters...

I play on console so I don't have to deal with this sort of cheating BS...

Turelus

Yes

I thought this was "should it be removed" so I voted yes. Oops.

However I don't think the API should give such information, there is a lot you can get from add-ons which the core game won't tell you and removes a lot of the requirement for player awareness.

Jade1986

No

I seriously had no idea this was a thing until just now , because I recently came back after a year. This addon negates sneak attacks in general, and should not under any circumstances be allowed. Nor should any add on that warns someone of a sneak attack. ZoS just needs to actively find, and ban mods that do this. This also explains why no one uses the bow ultimate I guess. Great, and here I was happy I finally had a bow ultimate AND a nature based class....

Sheezabeast

No

i hate having to use this addon to stay competitive in PVP.

zaria

Biro123 wrote: »

jcaceresw wrote: »

Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it.

How can it be classed as cheating when the Dev's have intentionally allowed it?

My guess is that its allowed since its hard to block out, you get an sound after all.
Yes, they could block out the API for telegraphing if attacker was stealthed but that is a bit hard.

Autumnhart

Yes

Stop blaming add-on authors for game design flaws.

Use of add-ons that make more information easily accessible is only another layer of complexity. You can handle it. Adapt.

kichwas

No

Nemeliom wrote: »

Well, it's been here for a long time and many people have complained about it.

For those who don't know it: It's an addon that alerts you when someone is casting something at you (heavy attacks, skills). It even alerts you if the one attacking is on stealth. So all those "pro" players that know exactly when to dodge/block/shield bubble are doing it mainly because of this addon, not because of skills (there are a few exceptions).

So, know that we ALL know about this, what do you think: should Miat addon be allowed or not?

When I saw this addon on esoui I thought it was just a boss mods addon. If that was all it was I'd be 'semi-OK' with it... though I prefer my games not have such easy cues as we get in WoW due to this kind of addon...

But if it works in PvP and notifies of people in stealth... that's an exploit. The kind of exploit that should result in account bans...

CaffeinatedMayhem

No

Autumnhart wrote: »

Stop blaming add-on authors for game design flaws.

Use of add-ons that make more information easily accessible is only another layer of complexity. You can handle it. Adapt.

Or stop making PvP awful for those of us who don't live in Cyrodiil.

Nemeliom

No

laced wrote: »

I seriously had no idea this was a thing until just now , because I recently came back after a year. This addon negates sneak attacks in general, and should not under any circumstances be allowed. Nor should any add on that warns someone of a sneak attack. ZoS just needs to actively find, and ban mods that do this. This also explains why no one uses the bow ultimate I guess. Great, and here I was happy I finally had a bow ultimate AND a nature based class....

This is another reason why I started this poll. I wanted either for all to have it, or no one.
But people should really be aware that this is a thing and that is available.

Alaztor91

No

Lol @ people saying that they have to use this addon or addons like these to stay ''competitive''. Seriously? The fact that addons like these exist already invalidates any kind of ''competitiveness'' or fair play that PvP could hope for(atleast on PC), whether you use it or not.

You could have a lag free cyrodill that runs at 60 fps all times, perfectly balanced classes, gear sets, skills and consumables, but you still could not take it seriously if you allow what is basically cheating.

ZoS ''allowing'' or not fixing this crap really makes you think how little they care about the PvP in this game.

Jade1986

No

Nemeliom wrote: »

laced wrote: »

I seriously had no idea this was a thing until just now , because I recently came back after a year. This addon negates sneak attacks in general, and should not under any circumstances be allowed. Nor should any add on that warns someone of a sneak attack. ZoS just needs to actively find, and ban mods that do this. This also explains why no one uses the bow ultimate I guess. Great, and here I was happy I finally had a bow ultimate AND a nature based class....

This is another reason why I started this poll. I wanted either for all to have it, or no one.
But people should really be aware that this is a thing and that is available.

Unfortunately I just renewed my sub. I may rethink that in the future though if this kind of stuff is allowed. I mean the proc armor sets were bad enough, and now this?

letsdothedungeonslow

No

Biro123 wrote: »

I think the vast majority of PC PVPers now use this - so its kind of an even playing field.

BUT that it isn't on console causes imbalances in that console players think stuff like frags is too strong, PC players don't - cos its so easily dodgeable.. So we have an imbalance.

Now since Zos HAVE already looked at this addon and decided that they still want to allow this stuff - I think that they have been balancing abilities from a PVP perspective around the fact that this does exist - which kind of makes me think that it should be allowed, and should also be rolled out to console. (in fact, didn't Zos start adding some of the functionality as core?)

While it may be an even playing field for everyone using the add on, it also becomes more of a boring field to adapt. Those fighting styles that are impacted most die out, and the tanky regen builds showcased in the recent Fengrush video about CP becomes the norm. Pretty soon you have what we have now, where people don't really wanna play cuz the gameplay is so bad you can't tell if it's cheating or just a robust build. Burst is no longer strong enough, especially with bow.

I can do 35k hits with my bow, and over 100k burst with 2H,yet it's unlike to kill good players because of all the ways on which the game is changing.

PVE and PvP, more than ever, need that long overdue divorce so ZOS can actually fix both parts, making burst viable in PVE and reducing mobility in PvP so DOTs mean something

maryriv

No

Nemeliom wrote: »

Well, it's been here for a long time and many people have complained about it.

For those who don't know it: It's an addon that alerts you when someone is casting something at you (heavy attacks, skills). It even alerts you if the one attacking is on stealth. So all those "pro" players that know exactly when to dodge/block/shield bubble are doing it mainly because of this addon, not because of skills (there are a few exceptions).

So, know that we ALL know about this, what do you think: should Miat addon be allowed or not?

You spelled "now" wrong.

Delimber

No

I don't have it, and don't need it...I die, I re-spawn, life goes on.

Nemeliom

No

maryriv wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Well, it's been here for a long time and many people have complained about it.

For those who don't know it: It's an addon that alerts you when someone is casting something at you (heavy attacks, skills). It even alerts you if the one attacking is on stealth. So all those "pro" players that know exactly when to dodge/block/shield bubble are doing it mainly because of this addon, not because of skills (there are a few exceptions).

So, know that we ALL know about this, what do you think: should Miat addon be allowed or not?

You spelled "now" wrong.

You are right. One sec.