Increase cost

Skander

PVP:


Increase the cost of stamina abilities for magicka characters
Increase the cost of Magicka abilities for stamina characters
Make pelinal decrease the cost of those abilities

Sick and tired of seeing stamina spamming every single magicka buff. Same thing for magicka. If someone is focused on one side of the Stamina-Magicka pool. The other should not be utilized.


There is also the thing that magicka needs stamina to block, when stamina can use its magicka pool just for buffing.


What do you think?

vpy

Ridiculous

Qbiken

Why the hate?

M1SH3LL3

A genuine, dedicated stamina build cannot "spam" magicka skills (& vice versa).
If you're talking about hybrid builds then they have sacrificed a lot to have access to reasonable pools of mag/stam and they can "spam" whatever they wish.

Stinkyremy

Skander wrote: »

Increase the cost of stamina abilities for magicka characters
Increase the cost of Magicka abilities for stamina characters
Make pelinal decrease the cost of those abilities

Sick and tired of seeing stamina spamming every single magicka buff. Same thing for magicka. If someone is focused on one side of the Stamina-Magicka pool. The other should not be utilized.


There is also the thing that magicka needs stamina to block, when stamina can use its magicka pool just for buffing.


What do you think?

you know you can block with magika right?
My tank was running mag and stam with 1h/shield and ice staff, using both pools to block.
Now I have 1h/shield and ice staff but 64 in stam and use the magika for buffs.

If you followed and played this game since release, the whole idea was not to pigeon hole players into classes, races or having to specialize.
it didn't work out so good as some classes and races are better at roles than others and pools determine your dam but originally it was meant to be more viable to be a hybrid, if that is what you chose.

Skander

I forgot to say: this topic was for pvp.

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

A genuine, dedicated stamina build cannot "spam" magicka skills (& vice versa).
If you're talking about hybrid builds then they have sacrificed a lot to have access to reasonable pools of mag/stam and they can "spam" whatever they wish.

Yes you can. I alrady do this with my stamina toons.

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Increase the cost of stamina abilities for magicka characters
Increase the cost of Magicka abilities for stamina characters
Make pelinal decrease the cost of those abilities

Sick and tired of seeing stamina spamming every single magicka buff. Same thing for magicka. If someone is focused on one side of the Stamina-Magicka pool. The other should not be utilized.


There is also the thing that magicka needs stamina to block, when stamina can use its magicka pool just for buffing.


What do you think?

you know you can block with magika right?
My tank was running mag and stam with 1h/shield and ice staff, using both pools to block.
Now I have 1h/shield and ice staff but 64 in stam and use the magika for buffs.

If you followed and played this game since release, the whole idea was not to pigeon hole players into classes, races or having to specialize.
it didn't work out so good as some classes and races are better at roles than others and pools determine your dam but originally it was meant to be more viable to be a hybrid, if that is what you chose.

Ice staff is pretty much useless. Doesn't give bonuses of set pieces (s&b has 2 items). That's why you won't see any ice staff pvper

M1SH3LL3

Maybe you an I have a different definition of "spam"
Do you mean "use"?

Skander

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

Maybe you an I have a different definition of "spam"
Do you mean "use"?

With 500-600 mag recovery (the compleate avarage) i can use and reuse when the buff depleats pretty much every templar magicka utility. Every Dk, and wardens.

Also. with 400 more magicka with a stamina nightblade you can also go on fulltime cloak in dare situations.

theamazingx

If they're "spamming" buffs, they're not attacking, so what's the harm?

Stinkyremy

Skander wrote: »

I forgot to say: this topic was for pvp.

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

A genuine, dedicated stamina build cannot "spam" magicka skills (& vice versa).
If you're talking about hybrid builds then they have sacrificed a lot to have access to reasonable pools of mag/stam and they can "spam" whatever they wish.

Yes you can. I alrady do this with my stamina toons.

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Increase the cost of stamina abilities for magicka characters
Increase the cost of Magicka abilities for stamina characters
Make pelinal decrease the cost of those abilities

Sick and tired of seeing stamina spamming every single magicka buff. Same thing for magicka. If someone is focused on one side of the Stamina-Magicka pool. The other should not be utilized.


There is also the thing that magicka needs stamina to block, when stamina can use its magicka pool just for buffing.


What do you think?

you know you can block with magika right?
My tank was running mag and stam with 1h/shield and ice staff, using both pools to block.
Now I have 1h/shield and ice staff but 64 in stam and use the magika for buffs.

If you followed and played this game since release, the whole idea was not to pigeon hole players into classes, races or having to specialize.
it didn't work out so good as some classes and races are better at roles than others and pools determine your dam but originally it was meant to be more viable to be a hybrid, if that is what you chose.

Ice staff is pretty much useless. Doesn't give bonuses of set pieces (s&b has 2 items). That's why you won't see any ice staff pvper

what do you mean it doesn't give set piece bonuses?
I'm running akaviri dragon ice staff and I'm getting my set bonus.
I don't really class ice staff as a pvp weapon, it only really slows people, which can be rolloed out and the heavy attack taunts, which is why i use it now, for a 3rd resourceless taunt.

Brrrofski

The only class that really spams magica skills as a Stam based build is nightblade. They run high magica regen for cloak, fear and maybe shade. But they sacrifice food or set bonuses for that.

All other Stam classes usually run Stam and health food or dubious and very rarely invest in magica or recovery. Sure, some do a bit, but the average Stam character can use 2-3 skills before being out of magica and have to wait a while to do that again.

My Stam DK has 10.5k magica. It has like 600 magica regen. Igneous costs 4k+ magica. Definitely no spamming there.

Skander

theamazingx wrote: »

If they're "spamming" buffs, they're not attacking, so what's the harm?

I guess you won't see the point here.

You shoudn't be able to spam buffs that are not on your characteristic as much as you do now. Yes, you can play with some. But when you are magicka and you see those wardens (for exemple) queuing up: bird of prey, warden ice armor, lotus, and leeching vines, you may tilt a little

CyrusArya

What do I think? My initial thought was curiosity as to what you got rekt by to have to make this post. At any rate, probably one of the worst nerf threads I've seen. The magicka buff/active abilities, alongside passives, is literally what defines and gives variety to the stam classes. You gut that, and you might as well make stamina nothing more than generic warriors. Also, magicka builds do not use stamina abilities the way stam builds use magicka abilities.

So what did you get rekt by? Was it a stam DK you couldn't penetrate the defenses of? Was it a stam sorc you couldn't catch or run out of resources? Was it a NB that was too elusive for you? Or was it a slippery templar you couldn't pin down or keep debuffs on?

Skander

CyrusArya wrote: »

What do I think? My initial thought was curiosity as to what you got rekt by to have to make this post. At any rate, probably one of the worst nerf threads I've seen. The magicka buff/active abilities, alongside passives, is literally what defines and gives variety to the stam classes. You gut that, and you might as well make stamina nothing more than generic warriors. Also, magicka builds do not use stamina abilities the way stam builds use magicka abilities.

So what did you get rekt by? Was it a stam DK you couldn't penetrate the defenses of? Was it a stam sorc you couldn't catch or run out of resources? Was it a NB that was too elusive for you? Or was it a slippery templar you couldn't pin down or keep debuffs on?

I didn't get rekt by anyone. Thanks for the idiocy.

Then again i was thinking about a cost increase. That's why hybrids are not a thing, becouse you can be one actually not being one.
And i'm telling to increase the cost, not making them useless

GreenhaloX

Qbiken wrote: »

Why the hate?

It's just nature of the beast and part of social media. ESO is practically a social media.

paulsimonps

Most things are fine as they are, people can't spam skills of something they are not focuses in, they do not have the sustain, and if they do they have as been said earlier sacrificed something to get it.

br0steen

Skander wrote: »

PVP:


Increase the cost of stamina abilities for magicka characters
Increase the cost of Magicka abilities for stamina characters
Make pelinal decrease the cost of those abilities

Sick and tired of seeing stamina spamming every single magicka buff. Same thing for magicka. If someone is focused on one side of the Stamina-Magicka pool. The other should not be utilized.


There is also the thing that magicka needs stamina to block, when stamina can use its magicka pool just for buffing.


What do you think?

Yes they spam magic abilities much like how remembrance is useless am I right?